[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

[Darren A. Peace]

That's a fair clarification, Stephen.

However, it's clear to me that the Countess wasn't making a lazy  
generalisation, as otherwise she'd not be able to care either.

It is certainly true that more people should remember the past (lest  
&c). Generally, people are shit, blinkered and stupid, sadly. There  
seems to be a disproportionate number of people here who aren't, which  
is enormously refreshing.

Darren
Hungerford, UK

On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:39, Stephen Lawrence <stephen.l at live.com> wrote:


> countess please don't generalise people

> there are many in this world who make sacrifices to care for those  

> who are suffering

> they may be in a minority but they deserve to be acknowledged

>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:59:11 -0400

> From: countessghoulita at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

>

> Unless they have part of their family deported to and killed in a  

> concentration camp or were in misery during WW2...but people don't  

> care anymore, they don't care even about what might have happened  

> two days before. Sad. My family can't forget. And I can't, nor ever  

> will.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2009 8:10 am

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

>

> So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes aren't  

> funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning knows  

> precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose not  

> to tell them. They simply decide they don't care and tell them  

> anyway. So it's their choice and they must take the consequences.  

> They're no more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're  

> responsible for their actions.

>

> Jim.

>

> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

>

> From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM

>

> Then you  in turn, are taking the  mick out of someone who is  

> socially crippled.

>

>

> Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the entire thread,  

> so apologies in advance.

> Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not necessarily  

> the same thing as humour at the expense of real problems or  

> disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if David Brent says  

> something howlingly inappropriate about women/blacks/homosexuals etc  

> etc, is it funny because he's managed to work them into a joke, or  

> because he's such a colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he  

> shouldn't say that? It's the latter. It's not funny because of the  

> subject matter. The Office takes the piss out of people who tell  

> jokes about people with disabilities, thinking they're actually  

> funny. We know they're not, so we can laugh at the idiots who think  

> they are.

>

> My stepfather used to come home and tell me all the latest jokes  

> he'd heard about the Holocaust or women or foreigners. I don't think  

> he ever understood (well, maybe at the end) that I wasn't laughing  

> at his jokes, I was laughing at the sad git who thought they were  

> funny. I have plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but  

> I'm all in favour of making the people who tell them look like idiots.

>

> Jim.

>

> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> From: Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

> To: "Gatherers Killing Joke Gatherers" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM

>

> EH!  WHAT?  Who woke me up?  Oh, the A word got used.  Ah...

>

> Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his Gay friend and  

> Autism.  Excepting his first cousin - a fine fellow, and a keen bass  

> guitarist too.

>

> I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good sign.  I've  

> spent mucho time getting laughed at for the wrong reasons - was  

> trying not to be disabled.  Hence my 'outness'.  Sometimes, you  

> gotta fall flat on that face.  Just natural.  Then the world will  

> laugh at you.

>

> More serious we want to get taken the harder they judge you?  Mind  

> you, I spend my life trying to help people since I was a small  

> child, not knocking anyone's disabilities.  Bit odd that, but I  

> kinda always knew I wasn't some sort of superman.

>

> Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session?  I call my sessions  

> 'conversations on the Gatherers list'.

>

> Oh God....

>

> I feel fat too.  Oh Dear God...

> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

>

> I think you are.

> In a way 'suffering' from something sort of makes you bit more  

> entitled to laugh about it.  I'd rather take the piss out of  

> something than go for a councelling session.  Much less gloomy and  

> more positive IMO.

>

>

> Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a while back when I  

> couldn't go to the gym for a couple years...perhaps 30 pounds or so.  

> I noticed one day as I was sitting down, leaning slightly to one  

> side, I felt a *plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into  

> existence around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny type and gym  

> freak for most of my life it was one of the most disgusting, yet  

> funny, experiences I've ever had. Relating it to other people has  

> been quite funny...does that make me bad for making fun of fat  

> people? Can I no longer do it after losing the weight...?

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

> bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of countessghoulita at aol.com

> Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2009 10:50 AM

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

>

> Not on my watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun of.  

> My apologies.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:40 pm

> Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

>

> Not that I've seen any of the said films (saw Ali G on Richard and  

> Judy once) but I'm with you on that.

> If you're brave or daft enough to crack a joke in the wrong place at  

> the wrong time you'll suffer; but you have the right to do it.

>

> I can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo, where humour  

> is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all okay or none of it is okay.

>

> Leigh

>

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