[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

[Karen Weil]

I remember seeing the infamous photos she and Koons posed for in the Stedelijk back in late '92 (the year their relationship was popular media fodder here in the States). 
That was more than enough for me. 


KW
the States 
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  I still remember the press coverage about her election. And also when one of her beloved pythons died. Hopefully of natural causes...or aging.



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  Yeah ... just ask Jeff Koons. ; )

  Cheers,

  Karen W.
  SoCal 
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    Ilona Staller rules!








    Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:47:23 -0700
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    > Mussolini is being re-evaluated by many. 

    Really?  I didn't think a country with a Burlesque'oni as PM would even re-consider the Mussolini option.


     
    ... ... ... ... ... ... 

    [looking at the current state of things..]

    'Save me...
      save me from Tomorrow..
        I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   






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    Jo, my grandfather fought both WWs as well (WW2 ad a partisan).
    I concur, but history is being forgotten at a very fast rate. Mussolini is being re-evaluated by many. This is sad. 





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    lol I can remember that being one of my late Grandad's (fought in both WWs) slogan: 'You young 'uns, you just don't care anymore'.
    I think most people do care but time marches on and as events begin to move out of living memory, you can't expect them to be on the forefront of everyone's minds. Particularly when there's new scraps and current life to think about.




      Unless they have part of their family deported to and killed in a concentration camp or were in misery during WW2...but people don't care anymore, they don't care even about what might have happened two days before. Sad. My family can't forget. And I can't, nor ever will.






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            So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes aren't funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning knows precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose not to tell them. They simply decide they don't care and tell them anyway. So it's their choice and they must take the consequences. They're no more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're responsible for their actions.

            Jim.

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              From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
              Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
              To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
              Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM


              Then you  in turn, are taking the  mick out of someone who is socially crippled.


                      Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the entire thread, so apologies in advance.

                      Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not necessarily the same thing as humour at the expense of real problems or disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if David Brent says something howlingly inappropriate about women/blacks/homosexuals etc etc, is it funny because he's managed to work them into a joke, or because he's such a colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he shouldn't say that? It's the latter. It's not funny because of the subject matter. The Office takes the piss out of people who tell jokes about people with disabilities, thinking they're actually funny. We know they're not, so we can laugh at the idiots who think they are.

                      My stepfather used to come home and tell me all the latest jokes he'd heard about the Holocaust or women or foreigners. I don't think he ever understood (well, maybe at the end) that I wasn't laughing at his jokes, I was laughing at the sad git who thought they were funny. I have plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but I'm all in favour of making the people who tell them look like idiots.

                      Jim.

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                        From: Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
                        Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
                        To: "Gatherers Killing Joke Gatherers" <gathering at misera.net>
                        Date: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM


                        EH!  WHAT?  Who woke me up?  Oh, the A word got used.  Ah... 


                        Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his Gay friend and Autism.  Excepting his first cousin - a fine fellow, and a keen bass guitarist too.  


                        I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good sign.  I've spent mucho time getting laughed at for the wrong reasons - was trying not to be disabled.  Hence my 'outness'.  Sometimes, you gotta fall flat on that face.  Just natural.  Then the world will laugh at you.


                        More serious we want to get taken the harder they judge you?  Mind you, I spend my life trying to help people since I was a small child, not knocking anyone's disabilities.  Bit odd that, but I kinda always knew I wasn't some sort of superman.


                        Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session?  I call my sessions 'conversations on the Gatherers list'.


                        Oh God....


                        I feel fat too.  Oh Dear God...

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                        From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
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                        Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100
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                        I think you are.  
                        In a way 'suffering' from something sort of makes you bit more entitled to laugh about it.  I'd rather take the piss out of something than go for a councelling session.  Much less gloomy and more positive IMO.


                          Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a while back when I couldn't go to the gym for a couple years...perhaps 30 pounds or so. I noticed one day as I was sitting down, leaning slightly to one side, I felt a *plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into existence around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny type and gym freak for most of my life it was one of the most disgusting, yet funny, experiences I've ever had. Relating it to other people has been quite funny...does that make me bad for making fun of fat people? Can I no longer do it after losing the weight...?



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                          Not on my watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun of. My apologies.





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                          Not that I've seen any of the said films (saw Ali G on Richard and Judy once) but I'm with you on that.
                          If you're brave or daft enough to crack a joke in the wrong place at the wrong time you'll suffer; but you have the right to do it.

                            I can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo, where humour is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all okay or none of it is okay. 

                            Leigh


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