[kj] the beast of LA

[Brendan]

It's not so much about looking tough as not looking weak, scared, and
unaware. Don't keep your head down and avoid eye contact cos that screams
FEAR. But you don't really want to look cocky or challenging. Just not like
a victim, cos wealking predators will generally go for the easiest target
with the highest liklihood of success.
 
And self defense 101 would still potentially help in your situation because
the primary goal in self defense...is self defence. Be aware at all times,
notice and avoid dangerous situations, if you have to enter one keep an eye
on who's around, where they are, are they armed, who's in charge, are there
other people nearby, escape routes, weapons or environmental advantages, let
perople know where you are etc. Escape if you can't avoid, negotiate, comply
or bluff if you can't avoid / escape, and if you have to defend yourself
then be prepared to escalate further quicker than the other guy, use dirty
tricks, surprise, weapons if possible.
 
Sounds likely in your situation however you were in the wrong place at the
wrong time, and did the right thing. 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 9:19 AM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA


Around here, just keep your street wits about you and you'll be fine. 
 

> spot on jel

 
That said...
 
   In general, around here when it does happen (rob/assault), there's no
"choosing" yourself/-ves as a "victim" (unless one seriously overreacts or
cringes to their knees at the sight of some low-life), naaah; ethnicity
aside, it happens to just about anyone, cab drivers, lawyers walking to
their car, athletes leaving the gym, off-duty policemen (who can and do
carry concealed firearms) dining out, sheriffs getting in their car to go to
work in the morning... at some point they all get assaulted or shot in L.A.
(ever wonder why all the cops buy houses miles and miles outside L.A.? It's
like a chef who'll never eat his own food). 
 
   Around here, any self-respecting robber worth his trade will have a gun
(they're so cheap), or a knife.  It's more about where you're at and when
you're there: wrong time, wrong place - you're fucked, it's that simple.  So
bring whatever street sense you've absorbed on the big-city streets of the
U.K., it should be more than enough. 
 
   (I'll risk being wrong on this, but) I'd just add to a U.K. big-city
street sense that, if i guess correctly, over there criminal/victim are more
evenly matched due to guns being much rarer, then you may be more used to
relying on physical presence, height, bullshitting, posture, poise,etc.
getting you through. and good if it does. Over here though, if they're at
all set on robbing you, the above won't count for shit. I had that refreshed
to me 1st-hand when i was stopped and robbed right before last Christmas by
2 guys around 5'5", 16-19yrs.old,  and about 40lbs. smaller than me (5/11'',
190 lbs.) - but the puny automatic gun serving as a handrest in the one
guy's waistband  kinda evened things out in their favor. 
 
 .. wrong place.. wrong time........
 
some more links,
Yellow Cab: http://www.layellowcab.com/
Indipendent Cab:
http://local.yahoo.com/info-20442723-independent-cab-company-los-angeles
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 


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From: Stephen Lawrence <stephen.l at live.com>
To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

spot on jel
 

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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:09:24 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

 
With respect, it's always easy to say what you might do in any given
situation, but when it comes to it, hell , thats a different thing.
Truthfully, if you are outnumbered or in an area anywhere in the world where
guns in particular are used, compliance is recommended. However, living in
London, i find eye contact, confidence and a certain amount of arrogance,
will see you through. I do believe that generally 'victims' choose
themselves, by their fear, shitheads can smell it, it is the smell of
themselves, Hyenas, fear driven. Pack mentality. God this world is sad!
 
 Jel
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:38 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

hmm sorry folk but that doesn't sound like good advice 
never turn your back on a friend and especially not an enemyor group of
potential ones 
i would continue forward and cross the street at the next avaiable
opportunity 
failing that i would stop and stand with my back to a wall and allow them to
pass 
if they wish to accost me , well oobviously i am gonna politely negotiate my
way past 
if they are gonna mug me , i guess it is best to hand over whatever you are
carrying as life  is more precious than possessions  

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:51:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

I guess, with regard to everything but the Berlin incident (which was down
to my own stupidity)! lol!
Advice; if, when walking into a side street, you see a group of ten or so
highly conspicuous individuals, turn around.
 
 

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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:43:03 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA


 Yes, I have had a gun pulled on me here, but I have also been mugged in
Berlin, a city with one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. I experienced
guns in the UK and Netherlands too. 
 
 Is your nickname 'Lucky'?
 
 Jel

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:39:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

Stephen, what you are going to find is one of the most cosmopolitan cities
in the world. 
There is a lot for you to see and do here, take your pick..clubs, beaches,
mountains, plastic people, religious pilgrimages?..it can be disappointing
musically, a bit of a backwater.
Just like any other city, you are going to know whether being in a certain
place is a good or bad idea, just keep your radar on. Yes, I have had a gun
pulled on me here, but I have also been mugged in Berlin, a city with one of
the lowest crime rates in Europe. I experienced guns in the UK and
Netherlands too. I would rather walk in downtown LA than many parts of
(North) East London ;)
Enjoy :) 
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:24:33 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

hmm it's the relatively word that raises questions 
possibly more dangerous to a tourist than a local hmmm?
 

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:53:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

hahaha..no mate, it's safe ;)
relatively :)


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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:33:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

classed as dangerous 
maybe a gang thing 
you tell me if you know different thanks 
 

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

what's bad about the Wilshire district? :/
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:59:13 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

thanks for tip 
a mule trek was considered but i don't know how i would manage my luggage so
i'm taking a raincheck and sticking with the comfortable option 
even considered a helicopter flight 
have to decide when i get nearer to it 
L A looks daunting just by the shear size of it 
learnt to avoid wilshire district 
pity sounds like a great club there 
 

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:48:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

Don't go to the GC from late November/early December..unless you are really
a hardcore hiker. Much of it will possibly be closed to the public , too.
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:44:26 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

i wanna pair for when i trek the grand canyon 
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:35:07 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected



> ...I'd not recommend you to circumnavigate Sicily....unless 

> your.... James Bond, and..armed to the teeth.  

 
I would cross Sicilia on foot but only on these,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkfXvMHIXJg
 
 

 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 


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From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:57:48 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected


I'd not recommend you to circumnavigate Sicily by pedalo, Darren. Unless
your pedalo is provided by James Bond, and you are armed to the teeth.





-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected


Alligator wrestling in Florida?  Will you be charging admission? ; ) 
 
Cheers,
 
KW 
the States

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Darren A. Peace <mailto:dpeace at bigfoot.com>  
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke  <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
(the band!)' 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

Fuck me, Stephen. You're a cheery fellow today.
 
But I agree with you. Life's too precious to waste. Tomorrow, for example, I
shall be scaling the Polish Line of K2, followed by all igator wrestling in
Florida. Friday I'm unicycling to the Meteora monastery, and then
circumnavigating Sicily by pedalo.
 
Saturday and Sunday I think I'll have a bit of a rest, as next week is quite
busy.
 
Darren
Hungerford, UK
 
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera
<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> .net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence
Sent: 15 July 2009 4:10 PM
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected
 
well life has no guarantees 
you or i could be knocked down by a vehicle crossing the road 
or drunken idiot mounting the pavement 
car crah whilst in friend's car 
electrical accident at home 
fire caused by neighbour 
or left a parplegic by any one of those scenarios 
or as you say struck down by some disease 
all you can do is try your best and enjoy life every second you have and be
grateful for another day  
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