[kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

[Bette Dillinger]

Yes, and it also alienated a really staunch base with the last administration:  the elderly.  I think we will see alot of zealotry from these people.  Look at the issues that happened this week alone.
 


From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:50:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia




Bette: Actually, voter idenitifcation with the GOP in the U.S. (if polls are at all accurate) is dropping. The party is having a hard time attracting younger voters, minorities, etc. -- and for obvious reasons. There will always be that hard-core base, but it's speaking for fewer and fewer people. 
 
Karen 

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> Hitler won about 32% of the "popular vote".....correct?  

 
Hey, we have the GOP (Gang Of Pricks) here with 30% of the vote and voter identification as g.o.p.! 
 
 
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From: Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:45:34 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



The "people did not start listening" en masse, as we are led to believe.  Hitler won about 32% of the "popular vote".....correct?  he then, like so many fascists, offed the opposition.  I mean, his relationship with the Catholic Church is a case in point.  Used until he could abuse.  I just am being a stickler about this because everyone thinks that Hitler got into power with this sweeping majority after the Weimar Republic.  World War I, and its economic repercussions, also seem to be the elements that "paved the way for Hitler".  But it is an unfortunate fallacy that so many want to blame the rise of Hitler on the "debauchery of the Weimar Republic".  
 
Bette
 


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:32:57 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia




Yeah man (sorry, I'm listening to Big Youth), the advanced democracy that was the Weimar republic pathed the way for the Nazis. Things were fine until the economy started going tits. Then more people started listening to what uncle Adolf had to say...

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Sent: 10 June 2009 23:27
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> ..Germany was fucked after WWI....

 
Didn't Germany go thru some level of success/prosperity during the Weimar period before the Nazis came up?
 
 
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From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:01:50 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

I can't see how the circumstances are similar. Germany was fucked after
WWI, they also were forced to take the blame for what was essentially a
european arms race that culminated in a war, and pay large reparations
(although I don't think they ever paid much). The UK is in a much
different position now....isn't it?


>

> i wouldn't be so sure , the nazi's came to power under similar

> cicumstances and generally the masses can be quite fickle and easily

> swayed

>

>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:36:33 +1200

>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>>

>> A proportion of that vote would include those who aren't so much racist,

>> rather they reject the current immigration policies but haven't thought

>> through the issues and are ignorant of who they are voting for...I think

>> as the world population increases, economic woes continue on and wealth

>> moves from west to east, we'll be seeing more of this kinda stuff. And

>> the

>> fasists will attempt to capitalise on it. Long term they can always be

>> relied on to shoot themselves in the foot though.

>>

>> >

>> > that 1 in 17 shows you how many '' closet racists '' there are in this

>> > country

>> >

>> > a fact most of the country is in self denial over

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:57:54 +0100

>> > From: MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > it's an interesting premise "defend democracy" when roughly 1 person

>> in 17

>> > voted for BNP in the EU elections as opposed to say Benn's Labour who

>> > polled roughly 1 in 7. surely the act of protesting against this

>> party's

>> > policies is anti-democratic?

>> > what concerns me more, is why so many people (nearly 1 million) are

>> that

>> > disaffected that they would vote this outright fascist party in the

>> first

>> > place.

>> > we're a little lucky the proportional representation system used in

>> these

>> > elections runs at regional rather than national level, otherwise

>> they'd

>> > have had 4 of the 72 elected as opposed to 2.

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > On Behalf Of folk devil

>> > Sent: 09 June 2009 18:27

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>> >

>> >

>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8091605.stm

>> >

>> > "Members of Unite Against Fascism, a new group supported by trade

>> unions

>> > and MPs from all parties, including Tory leader David Cameron, and

>> veteran

>> > left wing campaigner Tony Benn, said they wanted to "defend democracy"

>> > against what they regard as the "fascist" and "racist" policies of the

>> > BNP.

>> > One told the crowd his message for Mr Griffin was: "Wherever you go in

>> > this country we will make sure you are welcomed by demonstrations."

>> >

>> > Glad it's happening, but this could also promote the BNP.

>> >

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