[kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

[Jim Harper]

Any thing with ALW's name on it is suitable ground for some deep-seated instinctual hatred.
 
On a historical note, Egyptian anti-semitism was reasonably well-founded. They'd spend two centuries being dominated and oppressed by the Hebrews; that kind of behaviour provokes strong opinions in the victims of said oppression... :)
 
Jim.  

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From: jerry bodkin <jelbod at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Saturday, 13 June, 2009, 7:56 AM




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Anti Semitism just didn't pop up with Hitler's crew anyway.  

I think the Egyptians might have got pissed off with them first, probably down to that Pratt Joseph ( the one with the multi-coloured coat) running around singing bloody annoying songs all the time!
 
 Jel
 


From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:28:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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WTF?  Anyone with any disposible income whatsoever was fleeing Nazi Germany once they got into power.  There was a dearth in the professional classes after Hitler took power.  The "volk" were forced to stay behind.  Sure, there are exceptions to every rule but please.  Re:  anti semitism, Mein Kampf, outlining the process by which Hitler would exterminate the Jewish population was published in 1929 (? not sure on exact year).  If that wasn't a warning shot, I don't know what is one.  Anti Semitism just didn't pop up with Hitler's crew anyway.  
 


Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:14:19 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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I also read that at the start, that the people were not as anti-semitic as people think they were, 
but that the anti-semitism didn't really go bonkers until some years later. Kinda like here with the 
whole anti-immigrant thing. Kinda.
 
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From: Stephen Lawrence <stephen.l at live.com>
To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:05:07 AM
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i believe a lot let intellectualism rule over humanism and thereby bought into the master race myth 
 


From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:21:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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Yes, I've read that too-that the Nazis had quite a big base of support among doctors, teachers, and groups like that. Any one read the book about the Nazi doctors?
 


Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:15:02 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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> The Nazis were ushered into power 

 
   Curious fact about those guys that, contrary to what alot of people think of extremist political types, them there Nazis were, on average, about 30yrs. of age, white, male, with a college degree and of the professional class. 
 
 
 
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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:31:31 AM
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Good points Bette. I think that the business class NEEDED the Nazis to survive (and they got what they needed--a fusion of corporations w/the government, complete social control, lowered wages, blaming the victim, etc). The Nazis were ushered into power w/the cooperation of the "liberal" social democratic parties. THe big issue is not so much how many voted for Hitler, but that the rich class slipped them into power to serve their economic/political needs. If the German  Communist Party had actually tried to lead armed opposition to the Nazis (which they didn't), history might have been different.
 


From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:45:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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The "people did not start listening" en masse, as we are led to believe.  Hitler won about 32% of the "popular vote".....correct?  he then, like so many fascists, offed the opposition.  I mean, his relationship with the Catholic Church is a case in point.  Used until he could abuse.  I just am being a stickler about this because everyone thinks that Hitler got into power with this sweeping majority after the Weimar Republic.  World War I, and its economic repercussions, also seem to be the elements that "paved the way for Hitler".  But it is an unfortunate fallacy that so many want to blame the rise of Hitler on the "debauchery of the Weimar Republic".  
 
Bette
 


Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:32:57 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia



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Yeah man (sorry, I'm listening to Big Youth), the advanced democracy that was the Weimar republic pathed the way for the Nazis. Things were fine until the economy started going tits. Then more people started listening to what uncle Adolf had to say...

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: 10 June 2009 23:27
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> ..Germany was fucked after WWI....

 
Didn't Germany go thru some level of success/prosperity during the Weimar period before the Nazis came up?
 
 
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From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:01:50 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

I can't see how the circumstances are similar. Germany was fucked after
WWI, they also were forced to take the blame for what was essentially a
european arms race that culminated in a war, and pay large reparations
(although I don't think they ever paid much). The UK is in a much
different position now....isn't it?


>

> i wouldn't be so sure , the nazi's came to power under similar

> cicumstances and generally the masses can be quite fickle and easily

> swayed

>

>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:36:33 +1200

>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>>

>> A proportion of that vote would include those who aren't so much racist,

>> rather they reject the current immigration policies but haven't thought

>> through the issues and are ignorant of who they are voting for...I think

>> as the world population increases, economic woes continue on and wealth

>> moves from west to east, we'll be seeing more of this kinda stuff. And

>> the

>> fasists will attempt to capitalise on it. Long term they can always be

>> relied on to shoot themselves in the foot though.

>>

>> >

>> > that 1 in 17 shows you how many '' closet racists '' there are in this

>> > country

>> >

>> > a fact most of the country is in self denial over

>> >

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>> >

>> > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:57:54 +0100

>> > From: MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > it's an interesting premise "defend democracy" when roughly 1 person

>> in 17

>> > voted for BNP in the EU elections as opposed to say Benn's Labour who

>> > polled roughly 1 in 7. surely the act of protesting against this

>> party's

>> > policies is anti-democratic?

>> > what concerns me more, is why so many people (nearly 1 million) are

>> that

>> > disaffected that they would vote this outright fascist party in the

>> first

>> > place.

>> > we're a little lucky the proportional representation system used in

>> these

>> > elections runs at regional rather than national level, otherwise

>> they'd

>> > have had 4 of the 72 elected as opposed to 2.

>> >

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>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

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>> > On Behalf Of folk devil

>> > Sent: 09 June 2009 18:27

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Singing rule Britannia

>> >

>> >

>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8091605.stm

>> >

>> > "Members of Unite Against Fascism, a new group supported by trade

>> unions

>> > and MPs from all parties, including Tory leader David Cameron, and

>> veteran

>> > left wing campaigner Tony Benn, said they wanted to "defend democracy"

>> > against what they regard as the "fascist" and "racist" policies of the

>> > BNP.

>> > One told the crowd his message for Mr Griffin was: "Wherever you go in

>> > this country we will make sure you are welcomed by demonstrations."

>> >

>> > Glad it's happening, but this could also promote the BNP.

>> >

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