[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[sade1]

I don't wish them harm or hurt, just oblivion-on-earth.  
How they've affected me/others? Preaching a lot of hate and divisiveness, and inspiring people to act on those feelings. If not in my personal glass of water, they're still pissing into the communal well and that's reason enough to take action. 


> playing dirty is a wimpy way out..


What if a cop refuses to leave force after it's shown he should no longer be policing? or a doctor who's shown they shouldn't be doctoring? 

Here's one i've been party to:
a job where an asshole boss (who was allowed to still run loose by upper mgmt.) costs several employees their bonuses, promotions, pay raises, fires or causes others to get fired on a whim, and further grates on others to the point where they leave or just sit there and bear it, like good boys and girls? I, with a few others' help, made a deal to trump stuff up and had him fired. Was it dirty? Yep. The alternative, given a workplace system that didn't care to fix things? Even more morally irresponsible.

"get him out get him out get-him-out!"

"And I'd do it again!!" 

pseudo-sex??  

I've just seen too many good people suffer cuz of others' intransigence.



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[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   





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From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:46:57 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Glad you feel better.

#1, How have they willfully forfeited their moral ground?
What is that based on? Who decides? How did either of those 2
affect you? How much have you listened/watched to either?
If you turn the radio off or change the channel do they still hound you?

If I dislike someone, I turn them off or change the channel. I'll say to myself "geee what a fuckwit"
and move on. I don't recall wishing death/harm/accident on any pundit no matter how much I disliked
them. I leave that up to the DKos and HuffPo kiddies.

Just Curious...

I still believe that playing dirty is a wimpy way out. To reverse the quote a bit
"Bringing a gun to a knife fight". Feh!

Feel free to join KW (if she's up for it) & myself at the massage parlor.
I've never been to one yet, it should prove interesting.

Think of it as a pseudo-sexual catharsis. :)

At 08:23 PM 3/18/2009, sade1 wrote:


> it is a sign that you simply can't beat them and that you can't prove them wrong.

..or that yer willing to go play dirty on someone who's 
1) wilfully forfeited their moral ground, and 
2) isn't worth a fair shot anymore. 
  When someone's thrown away their right to play but they insist in staying 
the sandbox, ya push him out hard til they hit the wall. Those two 
are a sociopathic waste of space, and however their tracks can be reset 
towards oblivion, I'm all for it; "Game Over," throw 'em out now. 
 
Wow, cathartic. 
 

 
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[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 



From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Not defending anyone. Notice I referred to Rush when using the term "Moral Compass" .

The point I was trying to make is when you disagree with someone why not defeat the person
based on debate/opinion and actions. Not on the concept of "ohhh I hope he/she fucks up".
If you (not YOU per se) need that type of occurrence to happen in order to point out flaws
it is a sign that you simply can't beat them and that you can't prove them wrong.


At 08:00 PM 3/18/2009, Karen Weil wrote:

I agree with you about the massage parlors issue -- but don't waste your energy defending either of those blowhards. Neither are deserving of it.
And given that O'Reilly has written a book called "Cultural Warrior," he *is* a hypocrite. I couldn't care less about him (or the Fat One, either -- who would be taken even less seriously if he had the cajones to be a moral compass, which is he is *not*) -- but had to point that out. 
 
Happy Wednesday,
 
K.W. 
----- Original Message ----- but vs Bill Oâ€ââ„¢Reilly….they don’t 
From: The Exorcist 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Personally I support the concept of those "Massage Parlors" as well as the legalizing of 
prostitution. If a man/woman wants to have sex and someone is willing to pay, what the hell is the problem? 
It's all based on the "religious morality" there is in essence nothing wrong with it.

And why would you hope they get caught by such a thing? In order to say "ohhhhhh you hypocrite" because 
you don't agree with them? (nor do I recall Rush claiming to be a moral compass. Conservatism has many factions) 
What if they never get caught? That's just silly talk.

Ever hear an smoker hacking his lungs out preach to a youngin about not smoking? 
He might even do it while have a smoke, but it doesn't mean he is wrong.

At 03:33 PM 3/18/2009, sade1 wrote: 

> 

TTrue, true. That bunch just cross my threshhold of repugnance beyond which i just change the channel.  
  
I hope Billy O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh both get "Punk'd" at some local 
"massage parlor" - but instead of Ashton Kutcher jumping out of the sauna 
saying "Punk'd" it should be New York Atty.General Andy Cuomo with arrest warrants and subpoenas. 
  
  
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[looking at the current state of things..] 
  
'Save me... 
  save me from Tomorrow.. 
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 




From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>  
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:55:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
Okay The View is lame (today they were harping on about how great Michael Jackson is) – but vs Bill O’Reillly….they€¦.they don’t invite ‘guestsââsts’ on, shout at them, over them, turn their mic off, throw theem off, misrepresent what they said… 
  
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1  
Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 13:21 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
  

> Does the US left have any figures as repugnant as Bill O’Reilly, Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh? 

  
right off the top of me head, theres, 
 - Keith Olbermann, as of when he finally flipped his lid (after apparently straining and bruising the left half of his  
   brain?), and 
 - The Four Clowns on The View (Whoopi, Joy, Sheri "I do Believe the Earth is flat"[wtf?], and Barbara Walters) 
                         who, appropriately enough, always sit to the left of the table. 
 - Rosie O'Donnell (oh god..where does one start?) 
 - Reverend Al Sharpton, (racist, divisive social parasite leeching his own) 
 - Eleanor Clift (a sycophant par excellence) 
  
  
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[looking at the current state of things..] 
  
'Save me... 
  save me from Tomorrow.. 
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
  
  
  
From: Brendan Quinn < bq at soundgardener.co.nz >  
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:53:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
Haha…itâ€â‚¬â„¢s ccertainly trying times for capitalism. 
  
Side note: Does the US left have any figures as repugnant as Bill O̢۪Reillilly, Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh? They̢۪re practically iy intolerable, and why anyone still listens to them in the current climate is beyond me. 
  
  
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1  
Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 06:46 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
  
For those who, um, dress to the political Left and the people 
who love them, I just saw this in today's news.. 
  
"It's too bad Marxists don't believe in god. Otherwise they'd be thanking 
him for having sent A.I.G. down to earth to destroy capitalism." 
 ~~  Economics and law Professor William K. Black, 
  
  
  
... ... ... ... ... ... 
[looking at the current state of things..] 
  
'Save me... 
  save me from Tomorrow.. 
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
  
  
  
From: GREG SLAWSON < gregslawson at msn.com > 
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
People are always willing to parrot plattitudes they've learned from anti-communist teachers, parents, etc., w/o really thinking about them. But in the US there is a nightly segment on nbc news about how, in the tough economy, there is an outpouring of people helping each other, doing things for free, giving more to the less fortunate, etc., w/o looking for any praise or payback. And don't forget that we've never lived in a time when poeple in power are prevented form being corrupt, so how can we know if everyone in power will automatically be corrupt? 
  
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:30:35 -0700 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

I find it interesting when some people term humanity as some form of parasite. Do these people include themselves in the analogy, or not? If yes, do they use the idea as some form of condonation for not giving a sh*t? 
There is a trend, particularly in industrial music, to adopt this idea....hell of a way to perpetuate the inert, or do they feel that they are in touch with the zeitgeist?

  
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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:22:44 +1100 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html 
  
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence  
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:31 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
  
mankind has and continues to rule to the detriment of others . Any leader showing compassion is usually assassinated.Power corrupts and usually those at the top are moulded and coersed by the host of sychophants and other manipulators who have thier own agenda .  No doubt i will be scoffed and jeered at when i say that mankind is incapable of looking after himself and the world will only change for the better when jesus comes to right the wrongs ...remember how they laughed at the people attempting to make flight possible ...i rest my case 
  
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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:01:15 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word


 and there has to a way to recall leaders when they do try to climb above others...

  
 Like a coup or an asassination? I wish i had your faith, but 99% of the time, those that rise to the top make damn sure they can stay there. You can never stop those that wish to suceed at the expense of others, "feather the nest and fuck the rest" etc. The concept of a council like the Roman senate was supposed to keep things fair and right but ultimately backhanders, coersion and corruption take over, all to satisfy the greedy few, and those Wolves ALWAYS come dressed in Sheeps clothing. 
  
Nah, i think i'l just stick to treating people like i want to be treated myself and hope it eventually rubs off on everyone. 
  
Keep dreaming Jel. 
  
Over and out 
  
Jelski 
  
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From: gregslawson at msn.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:00 -0400 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

That's the key--how to keep people from being top of the pile and ripping others off. The decision-making has to be collectivized and people have to be accountable (the opposite of the US bankers) and there has to a way to recall leaders when they do try to climb above others... 
  
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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:07 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

(w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need). 
  
And WHO decides who needs what? There's always someone at the top of the pile. Great in theory, sadly lacking in practice. 
  
 Jelski 
  
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From: gregslawson at msn.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0400 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Funny, the Progressive Labor Party advocates a future revolutionary society in which we operate without money! (w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need). Maybe Jaz will join! 
  
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From: gasw30 at hotmail.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:35 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Presumably Jaz's talk will centre on his upcoming book: 
  
From Jaz's entry on the wikipedia site (I don't think it's been mentioned here yet, but apols etc). 
  
Coleman is writing a book about permaculture, free energy, freedom and freedom-loving individuals. The main thesis is on how to survive without money. The book will be divided into two parts; one part concentrating on the music and other on the ideas behind it.[10]The book is planned to be published in 2009. [11] 
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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:36 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

but bob we may not be able to contain laughter ;D))) 
  
i will ask as well for free,i dont care lol 
  
milindafgrant 
  
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From: bbarathy at btinternet.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:16 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word
If I go up then you're not allowed to snigger behind me! Or blowpipe me in the back with chewed up paper 
  
boBToo 
www.killingjoke.co.uk 
www.teamkinetic.co.uk 
www.bobtoo.co.uk 
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc 
Sent: 13 March 2009 16:15 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>part of what keeps us all interested.

And constantly frustrated 
I have a crisp £5 note for the first person to ask him about Gems of Power at the London do :o) 
Marc.
  
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