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[The Exorcist]

Re: Soulful job

While there are people that do work in fields they enjoy. Many do not.
In order to obtain something you generally need 
effort and input. In the earlier times
we all hunted and farmed. As our 
families/tribes/clans/states/countries/nations expanded
there was a need for more room, food, shelter and 
other basic necessities. The more people
there were, the more effort was needed to keep 
things running. As humans evolved there was
need for better ideas and technologies to help us 
keep up to pace with our burdens. Some had it
easier, some had it harder. Some were able to 
work in the political/scientific/cultural fields other
worked in the manual labor field. (White collar/ Blue collar)

Our inherent nature is one of survival and we do 
what we can in order for us (as individuals)
and our families to survive to he best of our capabilities.
(Well most. And some unfortunately become psychotic/raving lunatics)
A poor man/woman had to go beg for food and money 
no matter how demeaning he/she might find
it in order to provide. Is it something they 
looked forward to? I doubt it. Is it worse then having a shitass job?
In my mind, yes. Nevertheless, it was done.

Re: Automation/Technology
Let's take a writer for example (without going to 
far back). The writer used to spend time writing
on pen and paper. It took him quite a while to 
finish his publication. We then had the advent of the typewriter.
Suddenly, the amount of time it took took him to 
write was cut in half (if not more). A while after we had the
word processor/PC and the time to write was yet once again shortened.

Would one say to the writer. "Hey You! Stop 
writing. You've done enough! You used to publish one book a
year and now you need to do 3? You have more free 
time now, why are you doing this?"

With the advent of computer technology, (bigger, 
faster) work tasks can be done much faster.
On the other side however we found more uses and 
applications for the PC and ventured out
into more fields. The fact that something can be 
done in a shorter amount of time does not mean
(as I see it) that someone just needs to stop 
doing things. Life is a pursuit, a quest, a goal, an achievement.
Humans are not automatons (well, not yet, though 
society seems to be pulling that way) and constantly
search for something (whatever that maybe). 
Singers write new songs, Writers write new books, Inventors
invent new inventions (that one sounded weird).

Re: Obesity
There is big, fat, overweight and obese. Obese is 
already far past the borderline of unhealthy.
There are of course MANY factors to Obesity. It 
does not change the fact that it is unhealthy.
Nor does it change the fact that exercise helps.

Exercise has been shown and is recommended to people who suffer from stress,
depression, anxiety.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/depression-and-exercise/MH00043

People deal with stress in many ways and it has many side effects.
(I always have had a hard time sleeping. Mind is always active and
I've been told to try and relax a bit. Though I 
definitely don't have the over-eating issue)

Exercise is also important for people with health 
issues. For example - Diabetees.
http://www.cdc.gov/DIABETES/faq/exercise.htm

Look at the little kids today that outweigh average teens and plenty of adults.
There are many reasons for it, be it anxiety, 
depression, not coping with school work, peer abuse,
physical ailments, a shitty diet of only fast 
food because the parents are to lazy to cook
or can only afford Mcdonalds/Wendys/BK.

Exercise is beneficial there as well. Whatever 
the cause, Exercise has it's purposes and
DOES help with weight issues and many other 
physical and mental aspects of an individual as well.

BTW.... Before you reply, kindly let me finish 
the reply to the previous letter so we can keep it in one thread. :)


At 04:13 AM 3/19/2009, Brendan wrote:

>What exactly IS a soulful job?

>

>That's up to the individual to decide, but generally a job that you didn't

>feel pressured to get into because it's your best way of putting food on

>the table etc, because the basics are so expensive compared to the average

>or minimum wage. Healthcare, science, education, entertainment, journalism

>/ writing, sports / fitness, agriculture, horticulture, construction, etc

>etc. In the future, automation will be able to take care of so much that

>we'll be able to get away with far less than the current 37.5 hour week,

>and do what we want. In fact I see reducing the 37.5 hour week to 30-35

>immediately as one way to ease the current job problems. Productivity

>constantly goes up, automation constantly increases, but we work the same

>hours. Hrm. Something's fucked here.

>

>Re obesity being a problem - the human body is programmed to store every

>spare calorie, because in the past that was a survival necessity. You can

>easily get an extra 1000 cals a day for a pittance (peanut butter, oil,

>soft-drink etc, if you want me to find the cheapest 1000 cals I can find

>I'm happy to look into it, guarantee I can do it under $US2 / day). Nine

>days of that and you have an extra kilo. 90 days = 10kg (22 pounds). 88

>lbs per year. WAY too easy. Also bear in mind our sense of satiety is

>programmed to kick in when we are in surplus, again for survival reasons.

>

>Also, I'm not one to bag overweight people, I know they are a popular

>group at the moment to attack, but they're still people, and I don't think

>you're an inherently better person than anyone else because of your

>waistline. It's pretty common for people to eat through stress and

>boredom, both of which are symptoms of working at a job you hate. I've

>done it / do it. Not getting enough sleep is another cause of hormonal

>imbalances that lead to over-eating. Lack of sleep is common in people who

>work and stress too much. Visceral fat is linked to stress. etc etc.

>

> > Altruism is as much a personal ideology (if not

> > more) than a political ideology.

> > As a personal ideal I can see the merits. As a

> > political, it becomes an entirely different creature.

> >

> > You attack republicans yet it was the Republican

> > party that fought to get rid of slavery.

> > They were the first to ban slavery despite the Democrats opposition.

> > The republicans passed the First Civil Rights act in 1875.

> >

> > Here is some info for you to chew on.

> > ----------------------------------------------

> > "The Civil Rights Act (1875) was introduced to

> > Congress by Charles Sumner and Benjamin Butler in

> > 1870 but did not become law until 1st March,

> > 1875. It promised that all persons, regardless of

> > race, color, or previous condition, was entitled

> > to full and equal employment of accommodation in

> > "inns, public conveyances on land or water,

> > theaters, and other places of public amusement."

> >

> > In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the act as

> > unconstitutional and asserted that Congress did

> > not have the power to regulate the conduct and transactions of

> > individuals."

> >

> > Many of the provisions that were later passed in

> > the 1960's were taken from the original act.

> > And this was only accomplished after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

> > Here are the yea-nea

> > Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)

> > Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

> >

> > The Senate version:

> > Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)

> > Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

> >

> > The Senate version, voted on by the House:

> > Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)

> > Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

> >

> > Republicans led the fight for women’s rights, and

> > most suffragists were Republicans. In fact, Susan

> > B. Anthony bragged about how, after voting

> > (illegally) in 1872, she had voted a straight

> > Republican ticket. The suffragists included two

> > African-American women who were also co-founders

> > of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, Republicans, both of them.

> >

> > Republican Senator Aaron Sargent wrote the

> > women’s suffrage amendment in 1878,though it

> > would not be passed by Congress until Republicans

> > again won control of both houses 40 years later.

> > It was in 1916 that the first woman was elected

> > to the U.S. House of Representatives, Republican

> > Jeannette Rankin. The first woman mayor was

> > elected in 1926, the Honorable Bertha Landes of

> > Seattle, another Republican.

> >

> > The KKK was from the Democrat wing and attacked

> > many republicans (not to mention all the others they bore hatred for).

> >

> > It was the party that made it possible for Obama to be where he is today.

> > ----------------------------------------------

> >

> > I hate gaudy shopping malls, I hate annoying ads

> > and I hate lots of shit out there. I can't stand

> > the radio for the most part either.

> > I lament everyday the loss of the vibe that NYC

> > once had and is now a yuppified condo filled blob

> > of land. I don't own ANY designer

> > brand name shirts, pants, socks, belts etc...

> >

> > "All the millions of ppl. trudging to work everyday to a job they hate."

> > Ahhhhh, so there should be no work? Would it be

> > ok to say at least they HAVE jobs and some sort of income?

> > Do we have to enjoy everything in life? Are we

> > all just gonna sit around in dance and song and advance, grow healthier,

> > more educated, watch as food miraculously pops

> > into our mouths while we lose the need for malaria shots?

> > In the US one of the biggest issues of the poor

> > and under privileged is OBESITY. Imagine that!

> >

> > Is that cloud of doom you see because of shitty

> > jobs or is it becomes lives today have nothing to strive for and are

> > empty and meaningless. Are all these faces only in "Capitalist countries"?

> >

> > I think my mother who came from Russia would have

> > quite a different opinion than you and would probably be able to give

> > you some insight how it was to live as a Jew

> > under the Russian communist rule. (in whatever form you care to call it)

> >

> > "Political lobbying by vested interests": That

> > applies to all parties throughout time. If you think this is a trade

> > unique to

> > Capitalism, you are sadly very mistaken.

> >

> > "People think they are better than other ppl.

> > based on income bracket": Once again, that is not

> > a Capitalist creation, nor a Republican

> > nor a Democrat, nor Communist, nor Marxist, nor

> > Trostskyite, nor Bolshevik.... I hope you get the point by now.

> >

> > "Plastic pieces of shit": I hate that as well and

> > I am quite picky with what I purchase. You get

> > what you pay for. If you don't like it

> > don't buy it. If you don't buy it they won't make

> > it (unless the Gov't/Nancy Pelosi/Obama forces

> > the car manufacturers to make more green

> > cars that no one seems to be buying). Did you

> > ever think that the little plastic piece of shit

> > can actually bring joy to a poor family who can't

> > afford anything quite grandiose?

> >

> > You might say "ahhh those filthy Capitalist pigs,

> > they're just brainwashing the kids with all those

> > toys and garbage." the poor parent might

> > see it as "geee, my kids friend has an Ipod and

> > can listen to music all the time but I can't

> > afford to get one for my kid, well at least I can get

> > my child some other sort of player."

> >

> > Excused me, no one is being forced to do

> > anything. At least not in the US. What exactly IS

> > a soulful job? What exactly are we

> > supposed to be seeing/doing? You've yet to describe that.

> >

> > Capitalism took a small country and turned it

> > into a megapower faster than any other nation.

> > Everything has it's faults and everything

> > can be exploited. You seem to not grasp this idea

> > and just focus on your bloodlust for "Capitalism". There ought to be

> > checks and

> > balances with proper implementation, when it's

> > not there... People get corrupt. It's everywhere buddy.

> >

> > Another little heads up, Most conservative

> > republicans (and Democrats) were against the bail

> > out, still are against the bailout.

> > All the masses of cash flowing is coming from

> > Senior Obama. I love it how people are all

> > shouting bloody murder about the 165 Million "Bonus"

> > that AIG is giving out while that is a SPIT in

> > the bucket compared to how our Gov't just totally ass raped us!

> >

> > Other than trying to catch up with religion in

> > the amount of people killed and tortured in the

> > name of "ideals" and having books banned,

> > censored, and people exiled. I can't quite bring

> > to mind any great additions to society that have come from Marxist ideals.

> >

> > Next time you feel like saying the word

> > "Republican" with venom I hope the short (but

> > lengthy for an Email) quick recap of the

> > "Republicans" comes to mind.

> >

> >

> > At 11:44 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

> >>Most sane people wouldn’t claim that altruism is

> >>a trait exclusive to one political ideology, I

> >>wouldn’t bother continuing a conversation with

> >>anyone that did ­ what’s the point?

> >>

> >>I just dunno how anyone could defend modern

> >>capitalism ­ gaudy shopping malls, whole

> >>neighbourhoods full of soulless advertising

> >>that’s impossible to avoid (yes, I’ve been to

> >>LA

some parts of it gave me the total shits),

> >>cynical advertising steered by psychologists,

> >>aimed at kids, selling unnatural chemical

> >>concoctions as ‘food’, all the millions of

> >>people trudging to work every day at a job they

> >>hate (I’m so glad I don’t have to take the bus

> >>in to work in the mornings anymore because the

> >>cloud of doom amongst the condemned is

> >>depressing

), political (monetary) lobbying by

> >>powerful vested interests, people thinking they

> >>are better than other people because of their

> >>income bracket, planned obsolescence, plastic

> >>pieces of shit that don’t last 3 months,

> >>landfill full of heavy metals

Republicans


> >>

> >>People being FORCED to help out is NOT acceptable.

> >>

> >>People being forced to work 40 hours a week at

> >>soulless jobs isn’t a great state of affairs

> >>either, being forced to put up with pollution,

> >>rampant destruction of natural resources,

> >>getting one vote every 4 years that means

> >>practically nothing in the scheme of things,

> >>getting ripped off by corporations and then

> >>expected to pay to bail them out

etc etc.

> >>

> >>

> >>

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