[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[Brendan]

I walk to and from work every day (currently while listening to Alan Watts
on my mp3...very relaxing, cheers Bongo :). The walk home takes half as
long as the walk in, mainly cos there's very little foot traffic, and
Sydney CBD is so crowded - with dawdling indecisive semi-stationary
can't-walk-straight numbskulls.

That's right, now I'm complaining about people who walk too slowly or
interrupt my chosen footpath vector.

I can feel a letter coming on. It'll almost certainly contain the words
vector, inconsiderate, and perambulate.


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> If you are a fat bastard, then stop eating so much.

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> Instead of getting a bus or driving home and then sitting on your lard ass

> watching cookery programmes whilst eating a high fat ready meal with a

> token tomato added, instead of getting the bus or driving home, Walk home

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>   You will get exercise and you wont be gaining calories in front of the

> TV....and you will be saving the environment

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>> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:10:08 +1300

>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>>

>> The natural state of the human body is to get regular exercise. There's

>> not actually an amazing correlation between bodyfat and athletic

>> performance, down below a certain healthy level. Plenty of powerlifters

>> and weightlifters with big guts who can lift a ton. George Foreman -

>> fighting the young bucks in his late 40s only semi in shape and most of

>> them couldn't take him down. I totally agree with you. Get down below

>> about 10-12% bodyfat and a lot of ppl mention that they start feeling

>> lethargic. Not everyone mind, but it's quite common.

>>

>> This raises the issue of all the studies that come out about the

>> 'benefits' of exercise. Weird way of putting it (in my personal

>> observation). If the natural state of the body is to get some exercise

>> daily, then instead of talking about the benefits of exercise, why not

>> talk about the negative effects of inactivity?

>>

>> Exercise has a normalising effect on appetite, sleep (unless you

>> exercise

>> too hard too close to bed, which is bad), libido, stress levels,

>> depression etc - normalising because it's NORMAL to exercise. Abnormal

>> not

>> to.

>>

>> I still say, if you wanna lose weight and you only have one option, diet

>> is the killer. If you're like me that is and find it hard to resist the

>> snacks and alcohol...

>>

>> > Well be glad I'm not putting something else in your mouth.

>> > (That was for you Darren!)

>> >

>> > Of course you have a say, I've never argued that

>> > point. As far as I am concerned anyone can say anything they

>> > damn well please. From politics to sports to

>> > music to holocaust denial (why is it a crime in some countries? Who

>> > the fuck knows! It's fucking stupid though) to whatever...

>> >

>> > What exactly did I say in here that makes you

>> > think that I am separating you from society?

>> > Maybe I'm not being clear enough or using a bad choice of words.

>> >

>> > You've made it quite cleat that you don't like

>> > certain aspects of society (I can't really blame you about that).

>> >

>> > ME speaking for myself as a member of society,

>> > There are things that I disagree with and will be vocal

>> > about it, and things that I disagree with that I

>> > won't say a word. It all depends on my understanding of the "value"

>> > of "said issue". Certain beliefs I keep to myself

>> > and certain beliefs I don't. Because I don't say that "xyz" is wrong

>> > cause I dislike it for some reason or other does

>> > not make me a separate part of society.

>> > (Are we going in circles and not understanding

>> > each other? Is it just me? Is it just you?)

>> >

>> > I don't know why we come back to the weight issue

>> > so much. It must mean that there is some meaning to the term

>> > "Chewing the fat" *ba da dum!*

>> >

>> > I have to find the link for this.... But there

>> > was a study (yes there millions of studies), a while back comparing

>> > Fat people who do some moderate exercise to thin

>> > people who don't do any exercise.

>> > The fat people came out to be healthier in the

>> > long run than the thin ones. (Funny I had this discussion at a clients

>> > on Monday with some of the employees there. One

>> > woman is on the chunky side, takes kick boxing and was lamenting

>> > over the cookies she did not eat.) My Cousin who

>> > is quite heft and hasn't exercised much in years, biked over 60 miles

>> with

>> > me

>> > last summer from Brooklyn to NJ and back. Size

>> > does not = Health. And let us not forget genetics.

>> >

>> > However Obese as I understand it, is in a class of its own.

>> >

>> >

>> > At 11:20 AM 3/19/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>> >>You're putting words in my mouth again. All I

>> >>was getting at was that I have a say, and you're

>> >>creating a false dichotomy by talking about me

>> >>as being separate from society. I AM society, as

>> >>are you. Don't assert something then go off on

>> >>some idea of what I would or wouldn't do, that's not fighting fair.

>> >>

>> >>In terms of my participation and vested

>> >>interests in society, I believe I have a right

>> >>to have a say and defend my freedoms and

>> >>others’ too. Your idea of me defending

>> >>homophobic hate-mongers is way off the mark, it

>> >>doesn’t follow from what I’m saying, and it’s not me at all.

>> >>Â

>> >>All I can and will do to messages I don’t like

>> >>is reply with same, but I’m entitled to voice

>> >>my opinion that I don’t like certain aspects

>> >>of society and I won’t accept being lied to

>> >>and manipulated. I’ll

I’ll
one e of these

>> >>days I’ll fucking WRITE A LETTER. I swear I will.

>> >>

>> >>PS: Not to be Mr Contrary, but in terms of

>> >>losing weight, if I had to choose only one of

>> >>diet moderation or exercise

it’d be diet

>> >>moderation. Being an exercise freak I used to

>> >>think completely the opposite, but I’ve

>> >>learned in losing 6 inches off my waist in the

>> >>last year or so

you HAVE to watch what you eat.

>> >>I can tell you how many calories are in every

>> >>single thing I eat. It might be boring, but it

>> >>works. When I don’t know, I make an educated

>> >>guess, on the high side. I get a free meal at

>> >>work on nights and that’s about the only time

>> >>I ever have to make a guess, everything else I

>> >>make myself. I diet, do cardio and resistance

>> >>exercise (and stretching but that’s not very

>> >>impacting on muscle, fat, or metabolism). When I

>> >>first started getting fit I fucked up and added

>> >>fat, cos I started eating like I used to when I

>> >>was a gym maniac, regular meals, high protein.

>> >>But I didn’t know how many cals were in

>> >>everything, and also ate like I did when I was

>> >>in my mid 20s, training more, more active, and

>> >>carrying more muscle. It’s challenging, how

>> >>calorie rich foods are these days. A handful of

>> >>nuts can drown your day’s efforts to diet

>> >>entirely. 100 grams of nuts = approx 5-600

>> >>calories. That and 2-3 beers = 1000+ cals

then

>> >>see how hard it is to work off 1000 cals.

>> >>Training at a 1000 cal / hour rate for an hour

>> >>is fucking tiring. Much easier to forego the nuts and beers.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>----------

>> >>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> >>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist

>> >>Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 01:08

>> >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>> >>

>> >>No, Dear Brendan, as far as I am concerned your interpretation is off.

>> >>

>> >>First off, regarding your opening paragraph,

>> >>well, next time someone on the list goes off on a bible thumper,

>> >>politician, preacher for trying to impose their

>> >>will on the masses you be sure to point out to them that it's all

>> >> alright.

>> >>

>> >>Having a vested interest in society and being

>> >>all the things you mention below means that "your" opinion must be

>> >>adhered to? I never said one needs to ostracize

>> >>or be ostracized. There are laws that we can and should vote on.

>> >>Then there are things we should not.

>> >>

>> >>So next time abortion comes on the table, or gay

>> >>rights, which many religious people have issues with (both) be sure to

>> >> say

>> >>" They might be a son / brother / uncle / nephew

>> >>/ cousin / employee / friend / colleague /

>> >>taxpayer / consumer / fellow sentient conscious being. They

>> >>have a vested interest in society, they

>> >>contribute to it, they educate themselves about

>> >>it, take part in debate about it, it affects

>> >>them and they affect it, every single day."

>> >>When a fella is gonna say, "The bible says one

>> >>male humping another male ain't right. Now see

>> >>here, I don't want none of them gay folk

>> >>around MY son and daughter. They're gonna

>> >>corrupt her and are a buncha blasphemous sinners". You go tell him

>> Preach

>> >> On.

>> >>

>> >>Re:Weed---

>> >>Whoa...... I did not attack weed as much as say

>> >>I don't CARE for it. In my eyes and for MY body I have issued with it.

>> >>Nevertheless, I think making it illegal is

>> >>stupid. See, I'm not ostracizing myself here... I'm just deciding that

>> >> though I

>> >>personally disagree with a practice doesn't mean I need to ban it.

>> >>

>> >>Re: friends on weed.

>> >>I knew them from the time of early teens. I've

>> >>had about 17 years of observation. They're not telly watchers.

>> >>There are plenty of people that smoke weed (and

>> >>more) and many amazing things. It however is NOT the issue

>> >>here.

>> >>

>> >>Re: Food---

>> >>I don't eat most junk food, don't care for it.

>> >>My niece and nephews don't get fed an overload of junk.

>> >>It's up to the parent to say "yes or no". An

>> >>overload of say red meat it is just as bad as an overload

>> >>of sweets. Shall we ban red meat? Moderation is

>> >>the key (excluding truly harmful substances such

>> >>as certain pesticides, chemicals smoke pollution

>> >>as you mentioned. When the weather gets nice I

>> >>tend to bike to work from Brooklyn to manhattan

>> >>everyday. Being stuck behind trucks and shitty cars

>> >>makes me understand the plight of street

>> >>horses.) However, when the gov't decide to start imposing

>> >>all their beliefs (say trans-fats or salts) I

>> >>think it's overboard. If they promoted exercise as opposed to

>> >>food banning, kids (and adults) would be a hell of a lot healthier.

>> >>

>> >>I never meant to imply that anything you said is

>> >>a "cop out". If it came across as such I assure you it

>> >>was not meant.

>> >>

>> >>What you think about other who defend it, I can

>> >>not answer for that. However I think, I've given a somewhat clear

>> >>explanation on what/why/how my opinions are

>> >>formed... Am I correct? Who knows. I can only say things as I see

>> >>and understand them.

>> >>

>> >>I'll respond to your other emails later. I must head out to work soon.

>> :)

>> >>

>> >>Cheers Brendan!

>> >>

>> >>At 11:40 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>> >>

>> >>You're missing one thing. Ones inherent moral

>> >>values should not dictate society.

>> >>

>> >>That implies that I̢۪m not part of society,

>> >>which ch I am, very much so

so I have to

>> >>vehemently but amicably disagree with you on

>> >>that. 100%! I̢۪m a son / / brother / uncle /

>> >>nephew / cousin / employee / friend / colleague

>> >>/ taxpayer / consumer / fellow sentient

>> >>conscious being. I have a vested interest in

>> >>society, I contribute to it, I educate myself

>> >>about it, take part in debate about it, it

>> >>affects me and I affect it, every single day.

>> >>Remove someone from the feeling that they are

>> >>part of a tribe and they get ill, they lose

>> >>their spark

look at all the people who slip

>> >>between the cracks in society. Ostracism from

>> >>society (self or other inflicted) can be enough

>> >>to cause mental illness, take bullying for

>> >>example. We are social, tribal beings, without

>> >>it we lose some of our sense of meaning. My

>> >>morals are affected by and affect society.

>> >>Society includes me! One six point six billionth

>> >>maybe, but that̢۪s as much as s anyone else



>> >>

>> >>Re weed - I know several people who have

>> >>achieved plenty while smoking weed daily (First

>> >>class honours Masters in Psych for example), so

>> >>I̢۪d hesitate to o diagnose your friend̢۪s

>> >>problems as actually ly *caused* by

>> >>weed

(alcohol will do a far more effective job

>> >>if you want to destroy neurons, plus all sorts

>> >>of other nice side effects). If you sit around

>> >>all day watching daytime telly, or drinking,

>> >>you̢۪ll end up in the e same boat as the

>> >>average clichéd pot-head. It’s the lack of

>> >>spark rk that̢۪s s the problem, not the weed,

>> >>as far as my understanding of the evidence

>> >>suggests. Personally I̢۪m more worried about

>> >>sweeteners, s, colourings, flavourings,

>> >>preservatives, pesticides, chemicals in shampoo,

>> >>deodorant, exhaust fumes, pollution, (and the

>> >>fact that I live within 50m of a cellphone

>> >>tower, work nights, and in an open plan office,

>> >>all of which are bad for health

oh and I sit

>> >>right next to a fucking laser printer, which has

>> >>recently been implicated in lung problems due to toner

>> dispersal

awesome)

>> >>

>> >>Oh that̢۪s right

I have a mate who won a on a

>> >>competitive car rally whilst stoned. Then

>> >>there̢۪s Michael Phelps, arguably the best st

>> >>swimmer of all time

etc etc. Not saying weed is

>> >>totally harmless, but you have to have some

>> >>perspective. (Anabolic steroids are another drug

>> >>that doesn’t ¢t deserve the rap it gets

>> >>either, but that̢۪s another kettle of fish).

>> >>Joe oe Rogan has some interesting things to say

>> >>about weed smoking, I agree with him when he

>> >>says that practically everything he does is

>> >>enhanced by smoking weed, he gets shitloads done

>> >>

>> >>In terms of prostitution – good call,

>> >>criminalising it doesn̢۪t get rid of it. . I

>> >>have no real stance on its legal status, I̢۪d

>> >>¢d have to meditate on that one for a long

>> >>while. I was commenting on its moral status.

>> >>That̢۪s not a cop out, , just saying I haven̢۪t given it enough gh

>> >> thought.

>> >>

>> >>I think a lot of people who defend it aren̢۪t

>> >>¢t being honest with themselves. It’s gotta be a degrading thing to

>> >> do.

>> >> >

>> >>I suppose at the end of the day, you have to

>> >>weigh up the harm it does vs the restriction in

>> >>personal freedoms. Personally I’m ¢m fine

>> >>relinquishing my right - unexercised, so far -

>> >>to give head for cash. Doing quite well getting

>> >>shafted by The Man already

(it really doesn̢۪t

>> >>â„¢t hurt if you breathe out

)

>> >>

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