[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[The Exorcist]

Aye, we should go for a beer (one day) and drown our sorrows!

Have a lovely weekend Darren!

At 10:48 AM 3/20/2009, Darren A. Peace wrote:

>ROFL.

>

>I think being accused of being Pete is one of 

>the most extreme insults we can throw here. Your 

>indignation is entirely warranted, in my view. 

>It’s happened to me once or twice, and it’s eviscerating.

>

>Darren

>Hungerford, UK

>

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist

>Sent: 20 March 2009 14:40

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Now I am Peter?

>

>Greg you amaze me! At the risk of being a hypocrite, I'll say the following.

>You truly might be a tad dense. (I pray it's not more)

>

>And once again, you can't answer anything. (Open a US history textbook?)

>You just throw out random crap in the hope that something will stick.

>

>You my dear friend are an empty rattle.

>

>Manipulate? Here is the body of the message.

>"Yeah, and I have several friends in Boston 

>(US), usually considered a pretty rich town, 

>that can't pay their bills, can't buy new 

>clothes, live in shitty places, and in some 

>cases run out of food money. The fact is that 

>Peter West is a follower of some kind of 

>Libertarian or Objectivist ideology, or is just 

>a foolish, angry right-winger. Plus he has 

>psychological issues and just likes to piss 

>people off. But it's good that on this list we 

>stand up to the few right-wingers--the only way 

>to deal with their ideas is to crush them. And 

>given the current state of the world (wars, 

>growing poverty and disease) we must do just that!"

>

>Did you ever wonder that the idea of standing up 

>to "the few" on an EMAIL LIST sounds a bit silly?

>Especially when it refers to an ideological difference.

>

>Anyway, it's been (not) fun. I am severely disappointed.

>

>You've proven yourself to be empty, repetitive, 

>ignorant of facts, unable to prove anything,

>and incapable of original thought.

>

>I think I've wasted too much time on you.

>

>Sincerely,

>Not Pete

>

>

>At 08:51 AM 3/20/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>

>I remember writing that quote! But Peter, you 

>can't even accept something as basic as the fact 

>that the Republican party is now much different 

>(open a US history textbook!) that you have to 

>drudge out old quotes and try to manipulate them 

>to sound wiser than all! You're really an funny dude...

>

>

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>Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Before I go on. I'd just like to ask you a few things.

>

>At what point (according to you) does the "early 1900's"  end.

>If you're saying that the party is much 

>different, kindly provide some reasoning behind your statements.

>(Not that I agree or disagree. But having a 

>frame of reference would allow me to respond in kind.)

>

>Rather than name calling and saying "No you're 

>wrong" why not say something a tad more substantive?

>(Without quoting any Marxian wisdom if possible. 

>Original thought gives you bonus points! Not all thoughts

>need to come from a collective manifesto.)

>

>And now for a most lovely quote: (Guess which famous person said this)

>"But it's good that on this list we stand up to 

>the few right-wingers--the only way to deal with their ideas is to crush them."

>

>I can see myself atop a hill with the Red flag fluttering madly in the wind.

>The sky is dark and overcast, the masses are cold and shivering.

>But NO! We will not leave. We will stand up and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

>The sentiment flows through me like the Vodka Volga river when the snow melts.

>(and yes I know of your argument about Russia being fake/corrupt Communism)

>The orator is shouting madly but I can't hear a 

>thing because the wind is whipping

>out his words as if the wind itself wants to join the struggle.

>It doesn't matter, I don't need to know what he says.

>Look at that passion! Look at the emotion! Look 

>at his eyes bulging and veins popping out!

>It is as if the presence of God itself has 

>descended into this master of words.

>(Well, if there was such a thing as god. Don't 

>worry my fellow Comrades, if God ever shows its 

>face we shall crush it as well!)

>We shall crush all those in our way in order to 

>show them what true tolerance, humility,

>humanity and life is all about.

>OURS IS THE ONLY WAY....

>

>

>At 10:38 AM 3/19/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>The modern Republican (US) party is much 

>different than the one of the late 1800s/early 

>1900s, you knumbskull. But your point near the 

>end of the post about AIG bonuses being a spit in the bucket is spot on!

>

>

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>Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:27:12 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>Altruism is as much a personal ideology (if not 

>more) than a political ideology.

>As a personal ideal I can see the merits. As a 

>political, it becomes an entirely different creature.

>You attack republicans yet it was the Republican 

>party that fought to get rid of slavery.

>They were the first to ban slavery despite the Democrats opposition.

>The republicans passed the First Civil Rights act in 1875.

>Here is some info for you to chew on.

>----------------------------------------------

>"The Civil Rights Act (1875) was introduced to 

>Congress by Charles Sumner and Benjamin Butler 

>in 1870 but did not become law until 1st March, 

>1875. It promised that all persons, regardless 

>of race, color, or previous condition, was 

>entitled to full and equal employment of 

>accommodation in "inns, public conveyances on 

>land or water, theaters, and other places of public amusement."

>In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the act as 

>unconstitutional and asserted that Congress did 

>not have the power to regulate the conduct and transactions of individuals."

>Many of the provisions that were later passed in 

>the 1960's were taken from the original act.

>And this was only accomplished after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

>Here are the yea-nea

>Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)

>Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

>The Senate version:

>Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)

>Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

>The Senate version, voted on by the House:

>Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)

>Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

>Republicans led the fight for women’s rights, 

>and most suffragists were Republicans. In fact, 

>Susan B. Anthony bragged about how, after voting 

>(illegally) in 1872, she had voted a straight 

>Republican ticket. The suffragists included two 

>African-American women who were also co-founders 

>of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, Republicans, both of them.

>Republican Senator Aaron Sargent wrote the 

>women’s suffrage amendment in 1878,though it 

>would not be passed by Congress until 

>Republicans again won control of both houses 40 

>years later. It was in 1916 that the first woman 

>was elected to the U.S. House of 

>Representatives, Republican Jeannette Rankin. 

>The first woman mayor was elected in 1926, the 

>Honorable Bertha Landes of Seattle, another Republican.

>The KKK was from the Democrat wing and attacked 

>many republicans (not to mention all the others they bore hatred for).

>It was the party that made it possible for Obama to be where he is today.

>----------------------------------------------

>I hate gaudy shopping malls, I hate annoying ads 

>and I hate lots of shit out there. I can't stand 

>the radio for the most part either.

>I lament everyday the loss of the vibe that NYC 

>once had and is now a yuppified condo filled 

>blob of land. I don't own ANY designer

>brand name shirts, pants, socks, belts etc...

>"All the millions of ppl. trudging to work everyday to a job they hate."

>Ahhhhh, so there should be no work? Would it be 

>ok to say at least they HAVE jobs and some sort of income?

>Do we have to enjoy everything in life? Are we 

>all just gonna sit around in dance and song and advance, grow healthier,

>more educated, watch as food miraculously pops 

>into our mouths while we lose the need for malaria shots?

>In the US one of the biggest issues of the poor 

>and under privileged is OBESITY. Imagine that!

>Is that cloud of doom you see because of shitty 

>jobs or is it becomes lives today have nothing to strive for and are

>empty and meaningless. Are all these faces only in "Capitalist countries"?

>I think my mother who came from Russia would 

>have quite a different opinion than you and would probably be able to give

>you some insight how it was to live as a Jew 

>under the Russian communist rule. (in whatever form you care to call it)

>"Political lobbying by vested interests": That 

>applies to all parties throughout time. If you think this is a trade unique to

>Capitalism, you are sadly very mistaken.

>"People think they are better than other ppl. 

>based on income bracket": Once again, that is 

>not a Capitalist creation, nor a Republican

>nor a Democrat, nor Communist, nor Marxist, nor 

>Trostskyite, nor Bolshevik.... I hope you get the point by now.

>"Plastic pieces of shit": I hate that as well 

>and I am quite picky with what I purchase. You 

>get what you pay for. If you don't like it

>don't buy it. If you don't buy it they won't 

>make it (unless the Gov't/Nancy Pelosi/Obama 

>forces the car manufacturers to make more green

>cars that no one seems to be buying). Did you 

>ever think that the little plastic piece of shit 

>can actually bring joy to a poor family who can't

>afford anything quite grandiose?

>You might say "ahhh those filthy Capitalist 

>pigs, they're just brainwashing the kids with 

>all those toys and garbage." the poor parent might

>see it as "geee, my kids friend has an Ipod and 

>can listen to music all the time but I can't 

>afford to get one for my kid, well at least I can get

>my child some other sort of player."

>Excused me, no one is being forced to do 

>anything. At least not in the US. What exactly 

>IS a soulful job? What exactly are we

>supposed to be seeing/doing? You've yet to describe that.

>Capitalism took a small country and turned it 

>into a megapower faster than any other nation. 

>Everything has it's faults and everything

>can be exploited. You seem to not grasp this 

>idea and just focus on your bloodlust for 

>"Capitalism". There ought to be checks and

>balances with proper implementation, when it's 

>not there... People get corrupt. It's everywhere buddy.

>Another little heads up, Most conservative 

>republicans (and Democrats) were against the 

>bail out, still are against the bailout.

>All the masses of cash flowing is coming from 

>Senior Obama. I love it how people are all 

>shouting bloody murder about the 165 Million "Bonus"

>that AIG is giving out while that is a SPIT in 

>the bucket compared to how our Gov't just totally ass raped us!

>Other than trying to catch up with religion in 

>the amount of people killed and tortured in the 

>name of "ideals" and having books banned,

>censored, and people exiled. I can't quite bring 

>to mind any great additions to society that have come from Marxist ideals.

>Next time you feel like saying the word 

>"Republican" with venom I hope the short (but 

>lengthy for an Email) quick recap of the

>"Republicans" comes to mind.

>

>At 11:44 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>Most sane people wouldn’t claim that altruism is 

>a trait exclusive to one political ideology, I 

>wouldn’t bother continuing a conversation with 

>anyone that did – what’s the point?

>

>I just dunno how anyone could defend modern 

>capitalism – gaudy shopping malls, whole 

>neighbourhoods full of soulless advertising 

>that’s impossible to avoid (yes, I’ve been to 

>LA

some parts of it gave me the total shits), 

>cynical advertising steered by psychologists, 

>aimed at kids, selling unnatural chemical 

>concoctions as ‘food’, all the millions of 

>people trudging to work every day at a job they 

>hate (I’m so glad I don’t have to take the bus 

>in to work in the mornings anymore because the 

>cloud of doom amongst the condemned is 

>depressing

), political (monetary) lobbying by 

>powerful vested interests, people thinking they 

>are better than other people because of their 

>income bracket, planned obsolescence, plastic 

>pieces of shit that don’t last 3 months, 

>landfill full of heavy metals

Republicans


>

>People being FORCED to help out is NOT acceptable.

>

>People being forced to work 40 hours a week at 

>soulless jobs isn’t a great state of affairs 

>either, being forced to put up with pollution, 

>rampant destruction of natural resources, 

>getting one vote every 4 years that means 

>practically nothing in the scheme of things, 

>getting ripped off by corporations and then 

>expected to pay to bail them out

etc etc.

>

>

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