From kjlist at live.com Thu Oct 1 13:25:35 2009 From: kjlist at live.com (Rheinhold Squeegee) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:25:35 -0500 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag Message-ID: Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk Thu Oct 1 13:38:07 2009 From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:38:07 +0000 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: geordie can have a couple of inches off me aswell!! Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjlist at live.com Thu Oct 1 14:04:28 2009 From: kjlist at live.com (Rheinhold Squeegee) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:04:28 -0500 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: nice to see that literally anything still can (and will) be turned into a sexual double entendre... From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:38:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag geordie can have a couple of inches off me aswell!! Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rheinhold Squeegee To: Gathering Gathering Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag nice to see that literally anything still can (and will) be turned into a sexual double entendre... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:38:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag geordie can have a couple of inches off me aswell!! Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. 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Anyone got that 2003 Lokerse (sp?) dvd/cd set? Amazon said they shipped mine on Tuesday. T. From: kjlist at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:25:35 -0500 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Thu Oct 1 17:44:14 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:44:14 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Message-ID: If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. ________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Thu Oct 1 19:57:45 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:57:45 -0700 Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag References: <794464.25450.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No joke, because he is! k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag > Geordie gets... in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature.. It's a bout phuc'in time too. I don't think I've ever seen him in a " [insert #] Best Guitarists" list. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jon chapman To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:38:07 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag geordie can have a couple of inches off me aswell!! Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy in a "100 greatest guitarists" feature in the latest issue of Classic Rock. I assume here in the States, it's the second-to-last issue, but you get the idea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 1 23:12:05 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:12:05 +1000 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work...the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. >From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." _____ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:46:52 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:46:52 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> References: Message-ID: In a nutshell, yes. I think it's sickening the way even Democrats are taking wads of cash off these 'financial' vampires. I also don't get why Obama is being so passive about it all, always trying to appease everyone. f*ck them. If there is a supposed majority, why not just push the bill through? Roosevelt did. I am still trying to find someone who can argue what is good about American Health insurance. Instead of just spouting paranoid mythologies. Seems those who shout loudest (even as a minority) and those with the money to bribe, will succeed. But we know that. But Americans could now change that. Too many decades of fear mongering, me thinks. From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:12:05 +1000 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness , consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrianwason at btinternet.com Fri Oct 2 14:09:19 2009 From: adrianwason at btinternet.com (ADRIAN WASON) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] New Topic Lokerse DVD &CD Message-ID: <426018.30219.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Sorry still don't know how to use this correctly yet. I got mine on Wednesday-the DVD is very polished-i thought it was a festival thing.Great to see 2 thirds of prong playing with killing joke.I don't like the setlist although I can never remember? D&S Show being played as coherently as this though?but they have given up on playing whiteout properly. ? It's a crying crying shame that all the available kj dvds are of them not at their best. They peaked at Astoria 91 and again during the 2005? tour saw them at bristol and astoria with benny & raven.On the rock channel on sky their was some of this stuff-especially darkness b4 dawn sun goes down & an inspired version of butcher. ? I would like to see a dvd of this autumn 2005 tour published and the extremities 'early ' gigs-by the brixton academy summer one things had gone downhill. ? I've got the italian gig from btats tour-that would have been brilliant on dvd & i would have likes to see the porchester hall gig on dvd as i think this is the best version of nightime -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 2 19:49:13 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:49:13 -0700 Subject: [kj] New Topic Lokerse DVD &CD References: <426018.30219.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Appreciate your take on the DVD, Adrian. Most of the performances I've seen on TV, etc. are decent to really good -- but again, I'm happy to see the band pretty much in any capacity. Cheers, K.W. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: ADRIAN WASON To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: [kj] New Topic Lokerse DVD &CD Hi Sorry still don't know how to use this correctly yet. I got mine on Wednesday-the DVD is very polished-i thought it was a festival thing.Great to see 2 thirds of prong playing with killing joke.I don't like the setlist although I can never remember D&S Show being played as coherently as this though but they have given up on playing whiteout properly. It's a crying crying shame that all the available kj dvds are of them not at their best. They peaked at Astoria 91 and again during the 2005? tour saw them at bristol and astoria with benny & raven.On the rock channel on sky their was some of this stuff-especially darkness b4 dawn sun goes down & an inspired version of butcher. I would like to see a dvd of this autumn 2005 tour published and the extremities 'early ' gigs-by the brixton academy summer one things had gone downhill. I've got the italian gig from btats tour-that would have been brilliant on dvd & i would have likes to see the porchester hall gig on dvd as i think this is the best version of nightime ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 19:52:58 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:52:58 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Rudimentary Peni Message-ID: <4AC6925A.1080401@sbcglobal.net> I posted this on FaceBook, but what the hell. I know some of you are also fans - LIKE ME - of long running gloomy Brit punks Rudimentary Peni. In 2008 they released the quite excellent"No More Pain" CD. It's good. Durtro, which is owned by David Tibet of Current 93, has been saying for ... months? years? .. that is it was publishing a novel by the singer of Rudimentary Peni, Nick Blinko. They also said it would come with a ltd. edition CD with unreleased Rudimentary Peni music on it. Like any ethical businesses they started taking orders before the product was made, and if I remember correctly the price was around $80 USD - $100 USD. Expensive, expensive. Now Dutro has announced the book will be delayed ... again ... and if you pre-paid, they will refund your money. If you want. The info is buried down the page here: http://www.durtro.com/newsf.html This has been going onf or some time now. Shades of Gems of Power.... -Oliver From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 20:21:41 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] Geordie in Classic Rock mag In-Reply-To: <480C3B1AF68F45BBAF6D88EA2741E753@edweil> References: <480C3B1AF68F45BBAF6D88EA2741E753@edweil> Message-ID: <617918.3077.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ["insert" joke about Geordie also plucking lucky G?string... ] ? *breathes after another 7-1/2hr. deposition...... * ? ? ________________________________ From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) gathering at misera.net (*Wink-wink, nudge-nudge*) Sheesh ... ; ) ? k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- >From: Rheinhold Squeegee >To: Gathering Gathering > >nice to see that literally anything still can (and will) be turned into a sexual double entendre... >? >________________________________ From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net > >geordie can have a couple of inches off me aswell!! > > >Geordie gets a nice couple of column inches from the guy from Therapy... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 20:26:52 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <572331.5993.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> N O? S P I N E. ? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 8:46:52 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ?In?a nutshell, yes. ? I think it's sickening the way even Democrats are taking wads of cash off these 'financial' vampires. I also don't get why Obama is being so passive about it all, always trying to appease everyone. f*ck them. If there is a supposed majority, why not just push the bill through? Roosevelt did. I am still trying to find someone who can argue what is good about American Health insurance. Instead of just spouting paranoid mythologies. Seems those who shout loudest (even as a minority) and those with the money to bribe, will succeed. But we know that. But Americans could now change that. Too many decades of fear mongering, me thinks. ? ? ________________________________ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:12:05 +1000 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness , consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 20:31:25 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <479840.8177.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait,?it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... .... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive?is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? ? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work...the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. ? I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as?a medicine. But so does weed. ? Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. ? From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform ? America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt .... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." ________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Fri Oct 2 21:43:31 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:43:31 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <479840.8177.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:31:25 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait, it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... ... ... .... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work....the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to.. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Sat Oct 3 00:31:34 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:31:34 +1000 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <479840.8177.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> <479840.8177.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whole article feels like it needs going over with red pen. Meth producing use to require elaborate labs that took time to assemble and take down. It required many flammable liquids and hot boiling chemicals to cook this substance. Meth labs were being raided daily. They were messy and smelly and hard to conceal. Also on the weekend we went to McDonals, and I did has cheeseburger. I like Turtles. They are my favarate. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait, it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... ... ... .... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work....the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to.. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. >From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." _____ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 3 01:18:39 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:18:39 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview Message-ID: <4AC6DEAF.4070906@sbcglobal.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an intellect - good stuff. Love this guy! Oliver From sneakypete at uwclub.net Sat Oct 3 02:42:19 2009 From: sneakypete at uwclub.net (Peter Moltesen) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:42:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview In-Reply-To: <4AC6DEAF.4070906@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20091003072328.C4F621058E@mailwash5.pair.com> Nice one - that's the first time I've ever heard DV be so talkative :o) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard Sent: 03 October 2009 06:19 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an intellect - good stuff. Love this guy! Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From sneakypete at uwclub.net Sat Oct 3 02:45:41 2009 From: sneakypete at uwclub.net (Peter Moltesen) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:45:41 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Rudimentary Peni In-Reply-To: <4AC6925A.1080401@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20091003072330.57806105A2@mailwash5.pair.com> Hmmm.............some of us have been waiting considerably longer for the Current 93 lyric book I'm sure it will come out eventually - as will the Nick Blinko book. Pretty much everything that Tibet puts out is a labour of love even if it is usually rather pricey!) -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard Sent: 03 October 2009 00:53 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: [kj] OT: Rudimentary Peni I posted this on FaceBook, but what the hell. I know some of you are also fans - LIKE ME - of long running gloomy Brit punks Rudimentary Peni. In 2008 they released the quite excellent"No More Pain" CD. It's good. Durtro, which is owned by David Tibet of Current 93, has been saying for ... months? years? .. that is it was publishing a novel by the singer of Rudimentary Peni, Nick Blinko. They also said it would come with a ltd. edition CD with unreleased Rudimentary Peni music on it. Like any ethical businesses they started taking orders before the product was made, and if I remember correctly the price was around $80 USD - $100 USD. Expensive, expensive. Now Dutro has announced the book will be delayed ... again ... and if you pre-paid, they will refund your money. If you want. The info is buried down the page here: http://www.durtro.com/newsf.html This has been going onf or some time now. Shades of Gems of Power.... -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 02:32:18 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:32:18 -0500 Subject: [kj] Fun-Fun-un Fest in Austin w/ Danzig, Mission of Burma, Flipper, DRI, 7 Seconds, etc. Message-ID: <4AC84172.3090205@sbcglobal.net> This has garnered some talk on FaceBook so I guess it might as well be posted here: Nov 7th, 8th, and 9th, 2009, they are having a 3 day fest in Austin. Most of the 'cool' bands are slated to play on the 2nd day, Nov 8th, it seems like. Info on tickets (which aren't cheap) is here: http://www.funfunfunfest.com/events Danzig-Jesus Lizard-Gorilla Biscuits-Melt Banana-DRI-7 Seconds-Fucked Up, Mika Miko, Youth Brigade -- pretty insane stuff..... -Oliver From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Sun Oct 4 12:22:21 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:22:21 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Rudimentary Peni In-Reply-To: <20091003072330.57806105A2@mailwash5.pair.com> References: <4AC6925A.1080401@sbcglobal.net> <20091003072330.57806105A2@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <0KR000J8105A8PF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At least they're offering a refund! At 02:45 AM 10/3/2009, Peter Moltesen wrote: >Hmmm.............some of us have been waiting >considerably longer for the Current 93 lyric book > > >I'm sure it will come out eventually - as will the >Nick Blinko book. Pretty much everything that Tibet >puts out is a labour of love >even if it is usually rather pricey!) > >-----Original Message----- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On >Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard >Sent: 03 October 2009 00:53 >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: [kj] OT: Rudimentary Peni > >I posted this on FaceBook, but what the hell. > >I know some of you are also fans - LIKE ME - of long running gloomy Brit >punks Rudimentary Peni. In 2008 they released the quite excellent"No >More Pain" CD. It's good. > >Durtro, which is owned by David Tibet of Current 93, has been saying for >... months? years? .. that is it was publishing a novel by the singer of >Rudimentary Peni, Nick Blinko. They also said it would come with a ltd. >edition CD with unreleased Rudimentary Peni music on it. Like any >ethical businesses they started taking orders before the product was >made, and if I remember correctly the price was around $80 USD - $100 >USD. Expensive, expensive. > >Now Dutro has announced the book will be delayed ... again ... and if >you pre-paid, they will refund your money. If you want. The info is >buried down the page here: http://www.durtro.com/newsf.html > >This has been going onf or some time now. > >Shades of Gems of Power.... > >-Oliver >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From cliffmonk at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 03:00:53 2009 From: cliffmonk at gmail.com (Cliff Livingston) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:00:53 -0800 Subject: [kj] Fun-Fun-un Fest in Austin w/ Danzig, Mission of Burma, Flipper, DRI, 7 Seconds, etc. In-Reply-To: <4AC84172.3090205@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AC84172.3090205@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <13071bf00910050000j1781663fr726bac52c39682da@mail.gmail.com> ma that looks like alot of fun,lucky for you On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:32 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard < bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > This has garnered some talk on FaceBook so I guess it might as well be > posted here: > > Nov 7th, 8th, and 9th, 2009, they are having a 3 day fest in Austin. Most > of the 'cool' bands are slated to play on the 2nd day, Nov 8th, it seems > like. > > > Info on tickets (which aren't cheap) is here: > > > http://www.funfunfunfest.com/events > > > Danzig-Jesus Lizard-Gorilla Biscuits-Melt Banana-DRI-7 Seconds-Fucked Up, > Mika Miko, Youth Brigade -- pretty insane stuff..... > > > -Oliver > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 5 14:33:06 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:33:06 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview References: <4AC6DEAF.4070906@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <52782DFD8F97452F87BD126B3FDC26FA@edweil> Very articulate and observant about the music biz. He is a veteran of it, but doesn't sound bitter or cynical. That's refreshing. Thanks for posting, Oliver. Cheers, k.w. Cal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI > > > Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this > loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an > intellect - good stuff. Love this guy! > > > Oliver > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 5 18:02:18 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:02:18 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview In-Reply-To: <20091003072328.C4F621058E@mailwash5.pair.com> References: <20091003072328.C4F621058E@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <4ACA6CEA.1000901@sbcglobal.net> Same here. Dave Vanian is usually so shy and reserved, lurking in the background during interviews when the whole Damned are present. And in this interview Vanian almost sounds like a proper Sociology professor! Maybe he was on some uppers? It's always nice to see your heroes have brains. :) -Oliver Peter Moltesen wrote: > Nice one - that's the first time I've ever > heard DV be so talkative :o) > > > From LONESTYLE at aol.com Mon Oct 5 18:19:38 2009 From: LONESTYLE at aol.com (LONESTYLE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:19:38 EDT Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview Message-ID: Thanks Oliver! Very cool interview. Cheers, ~ LB In a message dated 10/2/2009 10:19:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an intellect - good stuff. Love this guy! Oliver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk Mon Oct 5 19:31:59 2009 From: mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk (Mike Cooper) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:31:59 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview In-Reply-To: <4ACA6CEA.1000901@sbcglobal.net> References: <20091003072328.C4F621058E@mailwash5.pair.com> <4ACA6CEA.1000901@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <006301ca4614$0ef9e9b0$2cedbd10$@fsnet.co.uk> I am probably well alone here but I found it all really trippy and very surreal!! I have seen the Damned a fair bit since the mid 80's and that is the first time I have ever ever ever heard DV speak or talk or anything! I am really struggling to relate this interview and to the bloke running around the stage singing Smash It Up etc. I thought Dave Vanian just sang and could not actually talk so he let Sensible do it. Truly weird as he also now looks and sounds like a bloke where I work (ground floor Pete near the Turks Head window side). Bizarre but looking forward to seeing them support Motorhead though! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard Sent: 05 October 2009 23:02 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview Same here. Dave Vanian is usually so shy and reserved, lurking in the background during interviews when the whole Damned are present. And in this interview Vanian almost sounds like a proper Sociology professor! Maybe he was on some uppers? It's always nice to see your heroes have brains. :) -Oliver Peter Moltesen wrote: > Nice one - that's the first time I've ever > heard DV be so talkative :o) > > > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From bettedillinger at live.com Mon Oct 5 21:18:23 2009 From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview In-Reply-To: <52782DFD8F97452F87BD126B3FDC26FA@edweil> References: <4AC6DEAF.4070906@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thank you for a new obsession! I had no idea that Dave Vanian was so insightful, and really objective about his whole place in the music scene. He actually gave me a sense of hope for the future of music, and there was no typical physical vanity that you see with so many performers of every age. Thanks. I needed to see that. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:33:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview > > Very articulate and observant about the music biz. He is a veteran of it, > but doesn't sound bitter or cynical. That's refreshing. Thanks for posting, > Oliver. > > Cheers, > > k.w. > Cal. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:18 PM > Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI > > > > > > Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this > > loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an > > intellect - good stuff. 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URL: From ketracelwhite at hotmail.com Sat Oct 3 13:40:53 2009 From: ketracelwhite at hotmail.com (Ketracel White) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:40:53 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Great Dave Vanian interview Message-ID: Fantastic interview - thanks for sharing! ----- Sent from mBox Mail Hotmail for iPhone and iPod Touch http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail ________________________ On 2009-10-03 02:44:36 -0700 B. Oliver Sheppard wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z13MOrk1TI > > > Needed to be shared. I haven't seen many interviews where he's this > loquacious. Recent interview, but Vanian proves he's got quite an > intellect - good stuff. Love this guy! > > > Oliver > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 6 13:28:41 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <8E087C3394094435A41BC20BF94B64EB@edweil> I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:31:25 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait, it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... ... ... .... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work....the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to.. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. 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An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 6 14:06:46 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:06:46 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <11F01D4E183A4E07A2E5C8B835219EFA@edweil> My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? 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URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Tue Oct 6 14:07:46 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:07:46 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <8E087C3394094435A41BC20BF94B64EB@edweil> References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: Personally, I think there is plenty of complacency and not enough anger from the left. If there was, we'd have health care now. We'd have "left"... p.s. i completely disagree with his position on squirrels ;) From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:31:25 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait, it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... ... ... .... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work....the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to.. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. 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If there was, we'd have health care now. We'd have "left"... p.s. i completely disagree with his position on squirrels ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:31:25 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, > cheap... yet you'll get busted for a joint. Wait, it gets better . . . http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2100781/new_method_to_make_meth_in_soda_bottles.html ... ... ... .... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:12:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ? How expensive is it to get sick in the US? With / without insurance? How much does insurance cost? This week I went to the chemist to get some flu stuff so I could avoid taking time off work....the pills contain codeine (opiate) and pseudoepedrine (precursor to methamphetamine). Pretty surreal that you can get that over the counter, cheap, as well as alcohol (you can buy absinthe now, 70% alcohol...), yet you'll get busted for a joint. I mean, fair enough, that stuff works as a medicine. But so does weed. Wonder what the lobbying power of all the healtcare professionals in the US would add up to.. Cos unlike most commodities, consumers can't boycott medicine. Captive market (similar to oil...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 7:44 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness If I were a Doctor in the USA, I would leave. My only future would be as a pharmaceutical whore. From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform America's healthcare industry has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to block the introduction of public medical insurance and stall other reforms promised by Barack Obama. The campaign against the president has been waged in part through substantial donations to key politicians. Supporters of radical reform of healthcare say legislation emerging from the US Senate reflects the financial power of vested interests ? principally insurance companies, pharmaceutical firms and hospitals ? that have worked to stop far-reaching changes threatening their profits. The industry and interest groups have spent $380m (?238m) in recent months influencing healthcare legislation through lobbying, advertising and in direct political contributions to members of Congress. The largest contribution, totalling close to $1.5m, has gone to the chairman of the senate committee drafting the new law. A former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet says fears that the industry could throw its money behind the populist rightwing backlash against public insurance have scared the Obama White House into pulling back from the most significant reforms in return for healthcare companies not trying to scupper the entire legislation. Drug and insurance companies say they are merely seeking to educate politicians and the public. But with industry lobbyists swarming over Capitol Hill ? there are six registered healthcare lobbyists for every member of Congress ? a partner in the most powerful lobbying firm in Washington acknowledged that healthcare firms' money "has had a lot of influence" and that it is "morally suspect". Reform groups say vast spending, and the threat of a lot more being poured into advertisements against the administration, has helped drug companies ensure there will be no cap on the prices they charge for medicines ? one of the ways the White House had hoped to keep down surging healthcare costs. Insurance companies have done even better as the new legislation will prove a business bonanza. It is not only likely to kill off the threat of public health insurance, which threatened to siphon off customers by offering lower premiums and better coverage, but will force millions more people to take out private medical policies or face prosecution. "It's a total victory for the health insurance industry," said Dr Steffie Woolhander, a GP, professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Programme (PNHP). "What the bill has done is use the coercive power of the state to force people to hand their money over to a private entity which is the private insurance industry. That is not what people were promised." PNHP blames a political process it says is corrupted by millions of dollars poured into the election campaigns of members of Congress and influencing the discourse about health reform by funding advertising campaigns, supposedly independent studies and patients rights organisations that press the industry's interests. A primary target of criticism is Senator Max Baucus, the single largest recipient of health industry political donations and chairman of the finance committee that drafted the legislation criticised by Woolhander. The committee this week twice voted against including public insurance in the legislation, with Baucus opposing it both times. Baucus took $1.5m from the health sector for his political fund in the past year. Other members of the committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars. They include Senator Pat Roberts, who last week tried to stall the bill by arguing that lobbyists needed three days to read it. Baucus holds dinners for health industry executives at which they pay thousands of dollars each to be at the table, and an annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in his home state of Montana that lobbyists pay handsomely to attend. They have included John Jonas, who represents healthcare firms for Patton Boggs, widely regarded as the top lobbying firm in Washington. Jonas, who formerly worked on the congressional staff, acknowledges that political contributions are intended to buy influence and says it works. "It would be very naive to say they're not influenced. The contributors certainly hope they're influencing and the recipients probably ultimately are influenced," he said. "I think it's a morally suspect practice, and then you have to look at its application to see if it's morally bankrupt ... I think what's bad about the system is it's got more and more lax over time. "When I started in this practice you did not talk issues at a fundraiser. It was impolite. And then with this need for money, the system has got coarser over time so that they go around the room asking what issues you're interested in, much more of a linkage of dollars to a discussion of the issues now." The health industry permeates the process in other ways. At Baucus's side, drafting much of the wording of the reform, was Liz Fowler, a senate committee counsel whose last position was vice-president of the country's largest health insurer, Wellpoint, which stands to be a principal beneficiary of the new law. Health companies and their lobby firms also recruit heavily among congressional staffers as a means of maintaining influence. Baucus declines to discuss political donations but told Montana's Missoulian newspaper earlier this year that "no one gets special treatment". Robert Reich, the labour secretary in the Clinton administration, says the Obama White House, mindful of how the health industry killed off Clinton's attempts at reform, has grown so fearful of industry money that it has quietly reached agreement to pull back from price caps and public health insurance. "The White House made a Faustian bargain with big pharma and big insurance, essentially scuttling both of these profit-squeezing mechanisms in return for these industries' agreement not to oppose healthcare legislation with platoons of lobbyists and millions of dollars of TV ads." The pharmaceutical companies are apparently pleased enough that they are now putting $120m into advertising supporting the emerging legislation. Jonas described the bill emerging from the Senate as "in realm of what is politically possible". "Is the bill overly distorted by money? I don't think it actually is," he said. "It's a good bill in the sense that it's a net improvement in the system ... [but] it's a bad bill if you think it's supposed to be a comprehensive solution to the US healthcare problems." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. 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An inert?President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ? From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete.? I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show?? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.= _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. 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Ciao, ? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: countessghoulita at aol.com To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Hands off my Grand Slam menu! -----Original Message----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:36 am Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert?President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ? From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete.? I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show?? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Oh, of course -- priorities. ; ) Ciao, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: countessghoulita at aol.com To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Hands off my Grand Slam menu! -----Original Message----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:36 am Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Tue Oct 6 18:04:13 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:04:13 +1100 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: <11F01D4E183A4E07A2E5C8B835219EFA@edweil> References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> <11F01D4E183A4E07A2E5C8B835219EFA@edweil> Message-ID: ANGER! he smiles towering in shiny metallic purple armo(u)r... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc (Not a Jimi link...) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 5:07 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! _____ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597 &article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now _____ _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, September 22, 2009 9:46:52 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? a bottle of water mixed with baking?soda. soak a cloth (bandana)?with the mixture, and cover your nose and mouth ;) ? ________________________________ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:26:38 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? > You might need it.... ?? We may need that recipe fo r a homemade anti-tear gas mask again. ? ... ... .... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:19:57 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? No! Keep the pitchfork. You might need it the way the US is going... I'd update to a gun, though ;) ? ________________________________ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:16:16 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? You mean that I need to put my pitchfork and torch away? :( Don't worry about the replies. We're all a buncha fuckwits. :) At 12:09 PM 9/22/2009, folk devil wrote: I said "i think the gathering is in a 'deflation' stage" i.e. in a quiet stage , not that it is deflating. > >? >________________________________ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:18 -0400 >From: vassifer at earthlink.net >To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? > >What's with all the doom n' gloom? Just because someone suggested that the list is "deflating" -- ? now > >________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four..pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. See how. ________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. See how. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 6 19:16:31 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:16:31 -0700 Subject: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? References: <21913526.1253627838220.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <358220.54553.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500CC7873F2D4C56BE903193B4B6DF3B@edweil> Hah! That is truly an innovation. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? What do you make of this: http://news.aol.com/article/gas-mask-bra-bottle-breaking-research/700654 ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, September 22, 2009 9:46:52 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? a bottle of water mixed with baking soda. soak a cloth (bandana) with the mixture, and cover your nose and mouth ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:26:38 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? > You might need it.... We may need that recipe fo r a homemade anti-tear gas mask again. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:19:57 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? No! Keep the pitchfork. You might need it the way the US is going... I'd update to a gun, though ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:16:16 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? You mean that I need to put my pitchfork and torch away? :( Don't worry about the replies. We're all a buncha fuckwits. :) At 12:09 PM 9/22/2009, folk devil wrote: I said "i think the gathering is in a 'deflation' stage" i.e. in a quiet stage , not that it is deflating.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:18 -0400 From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Is Facebook Slowly Killing The Gathering...? What's with all the doom n' gloom? Just because someone suggested that the list is "deflating" -- ? now ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. 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Tempting... -----Original Message----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 12:24 pm Subject: [kj] (OT) Bauhaus albums re-issued in deluxe 'Omnibus Editions' (http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3616&Itemid=26) The oft-maligned but occasionally brilliant _Bauhaus_ (http://archive.beggars.com/releases/10/bauhaus-in-the-flat-field) are to be honoured with lavish re-issues of their first two albums. They're due out on October 19 via Beggars Archive. _http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=361 6&Itemid=26_ (http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3616&Itemid=26) ____________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. _Sign up now._ (http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/) = _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tempting... -----Original Message----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 12:24 pm Subject: [kj] (OT) Bauhaus albums re-issued in deluxe 'Omnibus Editions' The oft-maligned but occasionally brilliant Bauhaus are to be honoured with lavish re-issues of their first two albums. They're due out on October 19 via Beggars Archive. http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3616&Itemid=26 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.= [Unable to display image] _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Tue Oct 6 21:13:29 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:13:29 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron><11F01D4E183A4E07A2E5C8B835219EFA@edweil> Message-ID: http://www.progressivetalk1150.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st :D ...sanity saved for one more day From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ; ) kw (not angry) SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ANGER! he smiles towering in shiny metallic purple armo(u)r... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc (Not a Jimi link...) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 5:07 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 21:47:36 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <296791.61804.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. ?? As tempting?as that may be to think, I?think?the truth is a little?more like that while there is enough anger, what?thereisn't enough of is doing something because of it.**?So all that anger?(and its human host-nation) is imploding inward, and if at all aimed outward, it's at all the wrong issues and, worse, the wrong people (skapegoats).?But maybe now that the outgoing LA police chief is circulating?his public-paranoia-community-policing-of-possible-homegrown-neighborhood-terrorist-plots video, maybe we'll finally find a 'proper' outlet for our "issues." > WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ?? For?really good answers to that, there's plenty of articles here?spelling it out. Or at least google Henry Giroux and go from there. ** It is wrong to address the sources of indignation and injustice that cause anger; one "must be"?bitter and "disgruntled" to do so, to be an "agitator." Asking from bosses/authorities/"the Law" for justice and/or redress is labelled "complaining," and to do so more than once (or*gasp* twice or so..ooooOooh!) is to engage in frivolous charges,?claims or lawsuits. It's better to suffer injustice/unfairness/work-related shortshrift and bullshit,etc. seethingly-yet-quietly, all the more because now such suffering is now both openly hailed and culturally institutionalized as "appropriately paying your dues."? theabovealltongue-in-cheekofcourse... Anyway, about that gas-mask bra.. pictures! Do like so:... tuck in here:... and, Ta - da!!! ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:36:37 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert?President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. Americais in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! ? ________________________________ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete.? I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ? ? ----- Original Message ----- >From: Concrete Cookie >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness > >do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show?? Saves my sanity.. > >http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597&article=360442 > >on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now > >________________________________ ________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flumedc at aol.com Tue Oct 6 22:14:01 2009 From: flumedc at aol.com (flumedc at aol.com) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:14:01 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <500CC7873F2D4C56BE903193B4B6DF3B@edweil> References: <21913526.1253627838220.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net><358220.54553.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <500CC7873F2D4C56BE903193B4B6DF3B@edweil> Message-ID: <8CC150AF88B975F-6EF4-B897@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Oct 7 03:52:06 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:52:06 +1100 Subject: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness In-Reply-To: References: <3D3299D28D0C4296ADCD5DF6C8EE20FF@Spazmatron><11F01D4E183A4E07A2E5C8B835219EFA@edweil> Message-ID: <0226555CDCC746559ED4C3BE2D6130B4@Spazmatron> Guy in the background sounds like Grover? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWCJfCP_ISM _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 12:13 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness http://www.progressivetalk1150.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st :D ...sanity saved for one more day _____ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ; ) kw (not angry) SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ANGER! he smiles towering in shiny metallic purple armo(u)r... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc (Not a Jimi link...) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 5:07 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! _____ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness do any of you listen to the Mike Malloy show? Saves my sanity.. http://www.ktlkam1150.com/pages/On_Air_Hosts.html?feed=119597 &article=360442 on 6-9PM PST weekdays... on now _____ _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 7 07:12:21 2009 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:12:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> It was meeeeeee! ? Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! ? Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 7 13:29:35 2009 From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:29:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: sounds good carnt wait to hear them ;) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:12:21 +0000 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 7 13:42:33 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:42:33 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <21913526.1253627838220.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net><358220.54553.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><500CC7873F2D4C56BE903193B4B6DF3B@edweil><8CC150AF88B975F-6EF4-B897@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: I'm curious, too -- would be really something if they're doing that. Cannot wait to hear the finished product. It's long overdue. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! 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KW (sanity disappeared long ago) ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness http://www.progressivetalk1150.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st :D ...sanity saved for one more day ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ; ) kw (not angry) SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness ANGER! he smiles towering in shiny metallic purple armo(u)r... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc (Not a Jimi link...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 5:07 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness My dear Folk: Please know that I do not want the "screamo" brigade winning anything -- they are unworthy of any victory. They might be winning the p.r. battle for now, but truthfully, these people know this country is changing, and they are part of a group that is fading -- and it scares the hell out of them, hence the loud, aggressive and at times dishonest tactics. I'm not a huge fan of our health insurance system, and agree it needs a major overhaul (though there is no panacea either in a fully private or public sector solution) -- and I agree that the Obama admin. has not used its power or influence well at all. I am doing what I can, as a citizen, to help bring about positive changes in our system. However, "anger" on its own is not going to solve a damn thing. It didn't when Bush was in office, and it won't now, either. People need to keep informed, keep on their elected reps and vote. In the long run, that will do more good than screaming back at some town-hall nutter ever well. That's my 2.5 cents. Enjoy the good things in your day, fellow Gatherer. Warm regards, KW SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness Personally I don't think that there's enough anger in America these days. An inert President with a majority, with the ability to pretty much push things through, and a voting public being shouted down by a minority and pacified through fear. America is in a highly fractured state right now, you want the loud mouth Right wing knuckle draggers to get their way? Do you want to keep paying out of the nose for health insurance, that will only deny you care later down the road? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) An American Sickness I do, on occasion. He's a smart man (even if I don't always agree with him), but a little too strident for my tastes. (Don't blame him for being angry, but in general, there is too much "anger" in our country today, as it is.) But keep listening, Concrete. I could see Jaz Coleman on his show, for sure ... k.w. 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URL: From LONESTYLE at aol.com Wed Oct 7 13:57:15 2009 From: LONESTYLE at aol.com (LONESTYLE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:15 EDT Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Message-ID: Thanks for the good news! :) Cheers, ~LB In a message dated 10/6/2009 7:19:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flumedc at aol.com writes: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 14:02:23 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:02:23 -0500 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACCD7AF.3090400@sbcglobal.net> Are they studio recordings of "Fresh Fever" and, um, what was that other one that I thought sounded kinda Motorhead-y....? Or even NEWER stuff? Please please PLEASE let them be going in the direction they went off in on "Universe B." That epic, expansive, slogging, huge cool sound they had on that was awesome. :) -Oliver LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the good news! :) > > Cheers, > > ~LB From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 7 14:08:51 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:08:51 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <4ACCD7AF.3090400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FBBB9A6E88346F5AC0CCB7D73137057@edweil> I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. Ciao, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Are they studio recordings of "Fresh Fever" and, um, what was that other > one that I thought sounded kinda Motorhead-y....? > > Or even NEWER stuff? > > Please please PLEASE let them be going in the direction they went off in > on "Universe B." That epic, expansive, slogging, huge cool sound they had > on that was awesome. :) > > -Oliver > > > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote: >> Thanks for the good news! :) >> Cheers, >> ~LB > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From fluwdot at earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 14:48:10 2009 From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:48:10 -0500 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <4FBBB9A6E88346F5AC0CCB7D73137057@edweil> Message-ID: I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening to those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a tragedy. My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the time of production. ---------------------------- I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. Ciao, k.w. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 7 14:51:44 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: Message-ID: Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 years for it to happen. k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "fluw" To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > to > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > tragedy. > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > time > of production. > > > ---------------------------- > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > Ciao, > > k.w. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From gasw30 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 7 16:48:30 2009 From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:48:30 +0000 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Oct 7 17:38:41 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:38:41 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Wed Oct 7 17:36:26 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:36:26 -0700 Subject: [kj] Lokerse "Requiem" dvd/cd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <656DF5DBFD224667A65F10625D761FA6@Bell2007PC> Had a big KJ score today - finally picked up the "Gathering 2008" 4 cd set, which probably makes me the last person on this list to finally hear the shows. Also picked up the "Requiem" 2003 live cd/dvd set which is what I'll comment about here since that's what I watched and listened to this afternoon. First off, the '03 tour holds a special place in my heart as it's when my interest in the band was reignited after pretty much giving up on them in the early 90's. This set's a mixed bad, imo. The sound is straight off the mixing desk with virtually no crowd noise even between songs. Which is further hampered by the fact on the cd there's fade ins/outs between most tracks further chopping out Jaz's comments. In fact, overall the sound and the band sound a bit too "perfect" compared to any bootleg of thsi tour I've heard as well as the one show I caught in '03. I dunno if there's any studio re-recording done on this, but it sounds even tighter and cleaner than the "Duendes" cd. On the plus side, taken as it is, the sound, the songs and the band sound really good here. However, imo the dvd, especially the stereo 2 channel mix is much louder and more direct than the cd stereo mix. The 5.1 mix on the dvd has too much plate echo, especially on Jaz's voice. The dvd from a video standpoint is almost unwatchable unfortunately. The producers used all sorts of monotone effects so the color is usually like watching a b/w program with the blue cranked way up. Plus there's often really crappy effects and text overlayed on the video. Much of the footage is long shots showing the whole stage - the camera work is utterly boring. IMO, listening to the cd is enough for this show. I'm still happy with the release though, at least I got the key songs from the '03 album/tour on an official release finally. T.B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 18:08:43 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99467.36813.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You tell those two motherfu'......... "great?job!"?? <\m/> and thanks for such good news. ?Btw, any idea how many tracks in this next cd? (I prefer 10 shorter KJ songs as opposed to 7 longer songs). And by, > several new tracks this past week.. ?? ..does this mean it is being recorded in the same style and pace as?that most grittily awesome "Extremities..." cd?????? OH Jesus, Mary and Odin, would that it were so! ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Jim Harper To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 4:12:21 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: >From: The Exorcist >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM > > >Reported by whom though? :) > >At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: > >Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! >> >>? >> >>Rejoice! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 7 18:21:51 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:21:51 -0700 Subject: [kj] Lokerse "Requiem" dvd/cd References: <656DF5DBFD224667A65F10625D761FA6@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: Thanks for your thorough take. And know that you are not the last person to pick up the CD set. k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: The Mighty TB To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [kj] Lokerse "Requiem" dvd/cd Had a big KJ score today - finally picked up the "Gathering 2008" 4 cd set, which probably makes me the last person on this list to finally hear the shows. Also picked up the "Requiem" 2003 live cd/dvd set which is what I'll comment about here since that's what I watched and listened to this afternoon. First off, the '03 tour holds a special place in my heart as it's when my interest in the band was reignited after pretty much giving up on them in the early 90's. This set's a mixed bad, imo. The sound is straight off the mixing desk with virtually no crowd noise even between songs. Which is further hampered by the fact on the cd there's fade ins/outs between most tracks further chopping out Jaz's comments. In fact, overall the sound and the band sound a bit too "perfect" compared to any bootleg of thsi tour I've heard as well as the one show I caught in '03. I dunno if there's any studio re-recording done on this, but it sounds even tighter and cleaner than the "Duendes" cd. On the plus side, taken as it is, the sound, the songs and the band sound really good here. However, imo the dvd, especially the stereo 2 channel mix is much louder and more direct than the cd stereo mix. The 5.1 mix on the dvd has too much plate echo, especially on Jaz's voice. The dvd from a video standpoint is almost unwatchable unfortunately. The producers used all sorts of monotone effects so the color is usually like watching a b/w program with the blue cranked way up. Plus there's often really crappy effects and text overlayed on the video. Much of the footage is long shots showing the whole stage - the camera work is utterly boring. IMO, listening to the cd is enough for this show. I'm still happy with the release though, at least I got the key songs from the '03 album/tour on an official release finally. T.B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluwdot at earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 18:26:48 2009 From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:26:48 -0500 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> Message-ID: There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Wed Oct 7 19:12:45 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:12:45 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <99467.36813.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <99467.36813.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F320694BCCE482EA0947B4F57103B2B@Bell2007PC> sade1 wrote: You tell those two motherfu'......... "great job!" <\m/> and thanks for such good news. Btw, any idea how many tracks in this next cd? (I prefer 10 shorter KJ songs as opposed to 7 longer songs). And by, > several new tracks this past week.. ..does this mean it is being recorded in the same style and pace as that most grittily awesome "Extremities..." cd????? OH Jesus, Mary and Odin, would that it were so! ++++++++++ Well, it's pretty likely Timewave and/or Fresh Fever will be among the tracks for the next studio album. I'm not too keen on Timewave as I think that one sounds like a watered down version of Fresh Fever which aside from a little lyrical tightening, is a really good tune, imo. Both those songs are stylistically kind of a hybrid of KJ2003 and the first two albums. I don't think we're in for Geordie guitar sonics circa 1985 for the next album, nor do I think we're in for the sludge metal of Hosannas or even the raw overdriven grit of Duendes. T.B. From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Oct 7 23:41:03 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:41:03 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: >It was meeeeeee! > >Sorry. > >--- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: > >From: The Exorcist >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM > >Reported by whom though? :) > >At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: >>Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week >>and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! >> >>Rejoice! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Oct 7 23:43:35 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:43:35 -0400 Subject: [kj] Lokerse "Requiem" dvd/cd In-Reply-To: <656DF5DBFD224667A65F10625D761FA6@Bell2007PC> References: <656DF5DBFD224667A65F10625D761FA6@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: <0KR600IFQFOOHEP0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I didn't even know that a "Requiem 2003" CD/DVD existed! Seems like I'll have a mini-score as a follow up to you Big Score. :) Thx for the heads up! *oush* At 05:36 PM 10/7/2009, The Mighty TB wrote: >Had a big KJ score today - finally picked up the "Gathering 2008" 4 >cd set, which probably makes me the last person on this list to >finally hear the shows. Also picked up the "Requiem" 2003 live >cd/dvd set which is what I'll comment about here since that's what I >watched and listened to this afternoon. > >First off, the '03 tour holds a special place in my heart as it's >when my interest in the band was reignited after pretty much giving >up on them in the early 90's. This set's a mixed bad, imo. > >The sound is straight off the mixing desk with virtually no crowd >noise even between songs. Which is further hampered by the fact on >the cd there's fade ins/outs between most tracks further chopping >out Jaz's comments. In fact, overall the sound and the band sound a >bit too "perfect" compared to any bootleg of thsi tour I've heard as >well as the one show I caught in '03. I dunno if there's any studio >re-recording done on this, but it sounds even tighter and cleaner >than the "Duendes" cd. On the plus side, taken as it is, the sound, >the songs and the band sound really good here. However, imo the >dvd, especially the stereo 2 channel mix is much louder and more >direct than the cd stereo mix. The 5.1 mix on the dvd has too much >plate echo, especially on Jaz's voice. > >The dvd from a video standpoint is almost unwatchable >unfortunately. The producers used all sorts of monotone effects so >the color is usually like watching a b/w program with the blue >cranked way up. Plus there's often really crappy effects and text >overlayed on the video. Much of the footage is long shots showing >the whole stage - the camera work is utterly boring. > >IMO, listening to the cd is enough for this show. I'm still happy >with the release though, at least I got the key songs from the '03 >album/tour on an official release finally. > >T.B. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 03:45:20 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:45:20 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 03:48:49 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:48:49 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> Message-ID: I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com Thu Oct 8 04:49:50 2009 From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com (Khunt) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:49:50 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <6FEBC8E2-E2C9-4840-B076-E509FFC80E75@googlemail.com> Bollox Anyone who saw them in those early years till the split will know they were nothing close to 'metal' What a ridiculous pile of intellectualised bs Karl Hunt On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:38, "Brendan" wrote: > They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't > pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course > of their career IMO, and for the better too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Bollox Anyone who saw them in those early years till the split will know they were nothing close to 'metal' What a ridiculous pile of intellectualised bs Karl Hunt On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:38, "Brendan" wrote: They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From louiecipher33 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 06:23:07 2009 From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com (Simon Abinett) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:23:07 +0000 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <6FEBC8E2-E2C9-4840-B076-E509FFC80E75@googlemail.com> References: Message-ID: Never have and never will be a metal band. They didn't even venture into metal crossover territory until Pandemonium era. From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:49:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Bollox Anyone who saw them in those early years till the split will know they were nothing close to 'metal' What a ridiculous pile of intellectualised bs Karl Hunt On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:38, "Brendan" wrote: They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 06:41:30 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:41:30 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <6FEBC8E2-E2C9-4840-B076-E509FFC80E75@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1646350c0910080341u5ebbe900xc9604693f075b7bb@mail.gmail.com> agreed On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Simon Abinett wrote: > Never have and never will be a metal band. > They didn't even venture into metal crossover territory until Pandemonium > era. -- iPat Ascendo tuum From vassifer at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 07:00:45 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:00:45 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> Nothing lamer than quoting one's own interview, but from back in `04: ALEX: It seems Killing Joke are often lazily tagged as a Punk band. There are several Punk compilations that feature ?Wardance? or ?Eighties?. It seems to me that Killing Joke are so much MORE than just simply a Punk band? BPF: Well exactly, and I?m never quite sure whether to be offended by that or not, because, I loved Punk music, but we weren?t. And I think our influences were beyond Punk. Obviously before Punk, there was Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and there was Yes even and King Crimson, and those had all influenced me as a player, and the other guys would say other things, but I?m sure they were all part of their history as well. I know Geordie was really influenced by Van Halen. ALEX: Really? BPF: Maybe I shouldn?t say that, but I?d never heard Van Halen until Geordie played it. And AC/DC. So, for us to be called a Punk band ? yes, we came from that era, but we weren?t just about jumping up and down and spitting and three chords. We really wanted to create something that was really, really heavy and dramatic and life changing. That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal elements to their sound. Alex in NYC On Oct 8, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Simon Abinett wrote: > Never have and never will be a metal band. > They didn't even venture into metal crossover territory until > Pandemonium era. > > > > > > > > From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:49:50 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Bollox > Anyone who saw them in those early years till the split will know > they were nothing close to 'metal' > > What a ridiculous pile of intellectualised bs > > Karl Hunt > > > On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:38, "Brendan" wrote: > > They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't > pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course > of their career IMO, and for the better too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo > > > Have more than one Hotmail account? 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I made an assertion, if you disagree then shoot with your own opinion, or delete, whatever, but don't shoot a guy down for voicing an opinion. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of iPat Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 10:12 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly > metal elements to their sound. > > Alex in NYC -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From jpwhkj at aol.com Thu Oct 8 09:17:43 2009 From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:17:43 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> <1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> I remember reading an interview or review way back (in the eighties) which described them as dub metal.? (If?memory serves, WTF was specifically referenced.)? Personally, I can't see the metal bit, but I'm not much of a muso... Brendan - which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:12 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal > elements to their sound. > > Alex in NYC -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Part of KJ is certainly metal (IMHO), in the same way that parts are also dub, punk, post-punk, new-wave etc etc. Geordie might not be?the reincarnation of Eddie Wank Halen, but I've never thought he sounded remotely like Zal Clemenson either, and I'd never disregard SAHB's influence on the Joke. Labels do serve as a convenient entry point for new fans however, and I think?'metal' is probably their most obvious connection in that regard. Jim. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of iPat Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 10:12 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Thu Oct 8 09:44:49 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (Floren Luke) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:44:49 +0000 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Message-ID: New Wave They were a new wave of punk music . _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk Thu Oct 8 09:29:54 2009 From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:29:54 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com> <8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Beautiful Dead dips its toe into the thrash pool This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. 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And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human element. The movement of the human hand. Chris Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:24:06 -0400 From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I mean, KJ are certainly not a metal band in the same way as, say, Saxon or Quiet Riot, but you cannot deny that there is an metal element to their sound. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- From: jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: Oct 8, 2009 9:17 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I remember reading an interview or review way back (in the eighties) which described them as dub metal. (If memory serves, WTF was specifically referenced.) Personally, I can't see the metal bit, but I'm not much of a muso... Brendan - which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:12 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal > elements to their sound. > > Alex in NYC -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 10:37:34 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:37:34 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <16303038.1255008246729.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1646350c0910080737g128c9d23ob08b056006f51919@mail.gmail.com> I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' background then they can put a metal stamp on it The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as being entertaining. But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is unnecessary. I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took a different meaning. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille wrote: > I don't know if I can convey this properly.? It makes sense in my head. > Anyway. > > There have always been metal moments.? But unlike the NWOBHM which took > standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > style of music.? And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > and over and over and over again.? So instead of a keyboard blip its a > guitar chug.? It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > element.? The movement of the human hand. > > Chris -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From vassifer at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 10:49:44 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Message-ID: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- >From: iPat >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' >background then they can put a metal stamp on it >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as >being entertaining. > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is >unnecessary. > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took >a different meaning. > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > wrote: >> I don't know if I can convey this properly.? It makes sense in my head. >> Anyway. >> >> There have always been metal moments.? But unlike the NWOBHM which took >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance >> style of music.? And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over >> and over and over and over again.? So instead of a keyboard blip its a >> guitar chug.? It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human >> element.? The movement of the human hand. >> >> Chris > >-- >iPat >Ascendo tuum - Up yours >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From vassifer at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 10:49:44 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alex Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Message-ID: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- >From: iPat >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' >background then they can put a metal stamp on it >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as >being entertaining. > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is >unnecessary. > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took >a different meaning. > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > wrote: >> I don't know if I can convey this properly.? It makes sense in my head. >> Anyway. >> >> There have always been metal moments.? But unlike the NWOBHM which took >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance >> style of music.? And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over >> and over and over and over again.? So instead of a keyboard blip its a >> guitar chug.? It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human >> element.? The movement of the human hand. >> >> Chris > >-- >iPat >Ascendo tuum - Up yours >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From pmdavies at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 11:19:04 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:19:04 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1646350c0910080819q728f7e13p2d2c523becaf80b6@mail.gmail.com> i agree with you I guess the Industrial was because of that particular time. Sometimes tags were attached but only lasted a week. I do recall it after the first tour though. Before that, i dont think there was a tag although it was aminly a punk audience and a the odd herbert. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From wessidetempest at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 11:26:13 2009 From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com (Christof hamille) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. The movement of the human hand. > >> > >> Chris > > > >-- > >iPat > >Ascendo tuum - Up yours > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 8 11:27:57 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:27:57 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Alexander Smith wrote: Nothing lamer than quoting one's own interview, but from back in `04: ALEX: It seems Killing Joke are often lazily tagged as a Punk band. There are several Punk compilations that feature ?Wardance? or ?Eighties?. It seems to me that Killing Joke are so much MORE than just simply a Punk band? BPF: Well exactly, and I?m never quite sure whether to be offended by that or not, because, I loved Punk music, but we weren?t. And I think our influences were beyond Punk. Obviously before Punk, there was Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and there was Yes even and King Crimson, and those had all influenced me as a player, and the other guys would say other things, but I?m sure they were all part of their history as well. I know Geordie was really influenced by Van Halen. ALEX: Really? BPF: Maybe I shouldn?t say that, but I?d never heard Van Halen until Geordie played it. And AC/DC. So, for us to be called a Punk band ? yes, we came from that era, but we weren?t just about jumping up and down and spitting and three chords. We really wanted to create something that was really, really heavy and dramatic and life changing. That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal elements to their sound. ++++++++++++++ Heh, I wonder if Geordie was specifically into the Roth era or Hagar era? There's some elements in Eddies later playing on the F.U.C.K. album and especially on the '94 "Balance" album that certainly draw some comparisons to KJ and especially Geordies early 90's style. Of course, you have to consciously tune out Sammy Hagar's inane lyrics but listening to songs like "The Seventh Seal" and "Learning to See," there's definite comparisons between the two bands and guitarists. T.B. From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 8 11:33:51 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:33:51 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3692EE68A72D4C3183C135C591E785CB@Bell2007PC> "Alex Smith" wrote: > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about > guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be > accurately pigeon-holed. Exactly. And really, if you look at some major bands that have traditionally been labeled "metal," such as Led Zeppelin, they really don't fit snugly into such genre labels even though they have have pioneered some aspects of the form and considerably influenced artists who *do* completely fit into such neat categories. T.B. From folk.devil at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 11:43:09 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:43:09 -0700 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: what is 'genure'? From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:44:49 +0000 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure New Wave They were a new wave of punk music . Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 8 12:18:06 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:18:06 -0700 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2897C8C2CEBA49F79459C20BF4D76316@Bell2007PC> folk devil wrote: what is 'genure'? ++++++++++++ The stuff you find in cow pastures. T.B. From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 8 12:55:00 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:55:00 -0500 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2993070.1255013384724.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4ACE1964.9010308@sbcglobal.net> I haven't understood the industrial tag, either. The "proble" (and it isn't one) is that they vary on their sound from album to album. I have tried to get friends of mine that are into thrash into them by emphasizing the "The Wait," "Money is Not Our God" aspects of the band, tel them to go check them out, only to hear the album that the friend picked up was _Brighter Than a Thousand a Suns_, and who are these guys wearing big sweaters playing New Wave that I was saying was doing songs like "Universe B" and "Total Invasion"? They go in unexpected directions but that's also why I like them. I still don't think "Universe B" is "pseudo-metal" for angry 13 year olds or whatever (to whoever said that, not you, lex). It's epic stuff. -Oliver Alex Smith wrote: > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 8 12:48:44 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:48:44 -0500 Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... Message-ID: <4ACE17EC.5020903@sbcglobal.net> ...to me, anyway. It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) -Oliver From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 8 12:50:54 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:50:54 -0500 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACE186E.2050603@sbcglobal.net> Can someone explain to me how a band who recorded "The Wait" in 1979 is making "pseudo-metal" with an epic song like "Universe B"? Thanks. -Oliver nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: > Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have > influenced their direction. > > I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love > Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should > gargle more. > From gregslawson at msn.com Thu Oct 8 13:20:48 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:20:48 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. The movement of the human hand. > >> > >> Chris > > > >-- > >iPat > >Ascendo tuum - Up yours > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. 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It seems to me that Killing Joke are so much MORE than just simply a Punk band? BPF: Well exactly, and I?m never quite sure whether to be offended by that or not, because, I loved Punk music, but we weren?t. And I think our influences were beyond Punk. Obviously before Punk, there was Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and there was Yes even and King Crimson, and those had all influenced me as a player, and the other guys would say other things, but I?m sure they were all part of their history as well. I know Geordie was really influenced by Van Halen. ALEX: Really? BPF: Maybe I shouldn?t say that, but I?d never heard Van Halen until Geordie played it. And AC/DC. So, for us to be called a Punk band ? yes, we came from that era, but we weren?t just about jumping up and down and spitting and three chords. We really wanted to create something that was really, really heavy and dramatic and life changing. That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal elements to their sound. Alex in NYC On Oct 8, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Simon Abinett wrote: Never have and never will be a metal band. They didn't even venture into metal crossover territory until Pandemonium era. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:49:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Bollox Anyone who saw them in those early years till the split will know they were nothing close to 'metal' What a ridiculous pile of intellectualised bs Karl Hunt On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:38, "Brendan" wrote: They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. 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URL: From wessidetempest at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 13:34:12 2009 From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com (Christof hamille) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:34:12 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You know..... I don't know what's worse. That you would bring up a later era Hagar/HAlen album or that you can specify names off said albums. The minds reels ;) Chris p.s. to clarify there were no bad Roth era albums. The greatest hits thing doesn't count. And for as cheesey and lame some of the 1984 songs were they are still more listenable and enjoyable then Cheesecake or I81B4U, etc., etc. puke you up your over-priced tequilla > From: planetary at socal.rr.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:27:57 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Alexander Smith wrote: > > Nothing lamer than quoting one's own interview, but from back in `04: > > ALEX: It seems Killing Joke are often lazily tagged as a Punk band. There > are several Punk compilations that feature ?Wardance? or ?Eighties?. It > seems to me that Killing Joke are so much MORE than just simply a Punk band? > BPF: Well exactly, and I?m never quite sure whether to be offended by that > or not, because, I loved Punk music, but we weren?t. And I think our > influences were beyond Punk. Obviously before Punk, there was Led Zeppelin, > Black Sabbath and there was Yes even and King Crimson, and those had all > influenced me as a player, and the other guys would say other things, but I?m > sure they were all part of their history as well. I know Geordie was really > influenced by Van Halen. > ALEX: Really? > BPF: Maybe I shouldn?t say that, but I?d never heard Van Halen until Geordie > played it. And AC/DC. So, for us to be called a Punk band ? yes, we came > from that era, but we weren?t just about jumping up and down and spitting > and three chords. We really wanted to create something that was really, > really heavy and dramatic and life changing. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal > elements to their sound. > > ++++++++++++++ > > Heh, I wonder if Geordie was specifically into the Roth era or Hagar era? > > There's some elements in Eddies later playing on the F.U.C.K. album and > especially on the '94 "Balance" album that certainly draw some comparisons > to KJ and especially Geordies early 90's style. Of course, you have to > consciously tune out Sammy Hagar's inane lyrics but listening to songs like > "The Seventh Seal" and "Learning to See," there's definite comparisons > between the two bands and guitarists. > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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But yes, KJ are indeed post-punk. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: GREG SLAWSON To: gathering Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. 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Pacific Daylight Time, fluke1 at live.co.uk writes: New Wave They were a new wave of punk music . ____________________________________ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. _Find out how._ (http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/) = _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluwdot at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 15:31:52 2009 From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... In-Reply-To: <4ACE17EC.5020903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish Forget what it was called though kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ...to me, anyway. It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From countessghoulita at aol.com Thu Oct 8 16:09:46 2009 From: countessghoulita at aol.com (countessghoulita at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:09:46 -0400 Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CC166A6AD46C2B-B10-F714@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> You mean "Vengeance" (84). Listen to the drumming on "Betcha": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefZMGV1GQU -----Original Message----- From: fluw To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish ?Forget what it was called though ? ? ? kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ? ...to me, anyway. ? It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 ? ? What do you think? 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SoCal ----- Original Message ----- >From: Phillipps Marc >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > >>which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? >Beautiful Dead dips its toe into the thrash pool > >This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 16:36:13 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <86252.98334.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > the main thing that saved?KJ 2003 We can't forget "Implant." Of all the pop-friendly, nu-metally shapes and forms KJ could've returned as, the song to kick the door open was Implant. ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: GREG SLAWSON To: gathering Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:53:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think the main thing that saved?KJ 2003 was the lyrics (and of course the opening of "Asterooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiid" . And "You'll Never Get to Me" would have sounded good on one of their (or any band's ) 1980s albums. ? ________________________________ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:23:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks The last two definitely have metal influences in them -- but Pandomonium is a far more melodic and interesting work than the '03 release. But yes, KJ are indeed post-punk. ? Cheers, ? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- >From: GREG SLAWSON >To: gathering >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that?was?more?about an?arty?attitude?towrd punk music?than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. >? >________________________________ From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning.? >The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from.? It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. > >Think of the early bands.? They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc.? >Now its computers and programming. > >Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize.? Maybe because? they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. > >I lump it into "traditional" post-punk.? And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define > >Chris > >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 >> From: vassifer at earthlink.net >> To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> >> >> NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? >> >> Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. >> >> Alex in NYC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: iPat >> >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >> >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> > >> >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' >> >background then they can put a metal stamp on it >> >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. >> >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago >> >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as >> >being entertaining. >> > >> >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be >> >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is >> >unnecessary. >> > >> >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took >> >a different meaning. >> > >> >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille >> > wrote: >> >> I don't know if I can convey this properly.? It makes sense in my head. >> >> Anyway. >> >> >> >> There have always been metal moments.? But unlike the NWOBHM which took >> >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance >> >> style of music.? And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types >> >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over >> >> and over and over and over again.? So instead of a keyboard blip its a >> >> guitar chug.? It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human >> >> element.? 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 16:59:53 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > making them verboten.. > is?limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. ?[as opposed to... ] ? Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been?hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also?NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful?heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and?all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing.?By that I mean?I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me?thaink**, hm,?a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out"?the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something ??????????????????????? I'd love to hear more of. About?the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ.?Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke"?as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has?reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is?limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. ? What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. ? ? ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! ________________________________ From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks ? They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo ? ________________________________ From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. ? I totally agree with the points about?pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. ? ? > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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[looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: GREG SLAWSON To: gathering Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:53:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think the main thing that saved KJ 2003 was the lyrics (and of course the opening of "Asterooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiid" . And "You'll Never Get to Me" would have sounded good on one of their (or any band's ) 1980s albums. From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:23:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks The last two definitely have metal influences in them -- but Pandomonium is a far more melodic and interesting work than the '03 release. But yes, KJ are indeed post-punk. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: GREG SLAWSON To: gathering Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. The movement of the human hand. > >> > >> Chris > > > >-- > >iPat > >Ascendo tuum - Up yours > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ New! Open Messenger faster on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677405 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 17:06:09 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:09 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <5546291.1255013384849.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Post Punk has never really made any sense to me to be honest. Waffly. It works in a way, in that you have a general idea about the broad range of stuff you might be in for...but a genre that includes songs from Killing Joke's most intense to The Cure's most whimsical is pretty uselessly broad. To me. I think. In my opinion. At the moment. If it please the list, your honour. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 4:21 AM To: gathering Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though. _____ From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning. The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from. It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood. Think of the early bands. They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc. Now its computers and programming. Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize. Maybe because they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result. I lump it into "traditional" post-punk. And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define Chris > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400 > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs? > > Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed. > > Alex in NYC > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: iPat > >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal' > >background then they can put a metal stamp on it > >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant. > >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago > >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as > >being entertaining. > > > >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be > >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is > >unnecessary. > > > >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took > >a different meaning. > > > >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille > > wrote: > >> I don't know if I can convey this properly. It makes sense in my head. > >> Anyway. > >> > >> There have always been metal moments. But unlike the NWOBHM which took > >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance > >> style of music. And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types > >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over > >> and over and over and over again. So instead of a keyboard blip its a > >> guitar chug. It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human > >> element. 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 17:08:40 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Best overbite.. ? ??... and Best Supporting Mustache to said overbite. ? (btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: ? Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite ? ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! >? >Sorry. > >--- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: > > > >From: The Exorcist > >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM > > >Reported by whom though? :) > > >At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: >Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! >>Rejoice! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Gathering mailing list >> >>Gathering at misera.net >> >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 17:30:43 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:30:43 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com> <8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B99A0E2BEFD4527AEC6F3595F459C98@Spazmatron> I think that first album in particular: Requiem Wardance (groove metal ;) The Wait (speed / thrash) possibily Primitive Huge chunks of Extremities, easily the first half. Bloody good album but will always be proto-Pandy to me, just in terms of what popped my cherry and what I was contemporary with. I think Pandy was their metal zenith, and a creative high water mark. Other than that it's hard to pick individual tracks (easily)...but if I had to peg them I'd say rock or metal was a dominant constituent. It's what they've been doing predominantly since about 1990 so I suppose to me that lends weight that that's what I was hearing and where they were heading. If I had to pick a song that reminded me most of "Dub Metal" I'd say Dominator is the perfect fit, but is that THE defining early KJ track? I dunno if you could pick one, going from Nervous System to Requiem to Night Time to One Step Ahead is just gonna divide fans, no way around it. Anyway all you post punk wannabes just need to get over it, buy yourselves some black t shirts, learn the horns, start drinking Jack and get over it. *wink* _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 12:18 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I remember reading an interview or review way back (in the eighties) which described them as dub metal. (If memory serves, WTF was specifically referenced.) Personally, I can't see the metal bit, but I'm not much of a muso... Brendan - which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:12 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal > elements to their sound. > > Alex in NYC -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Thu Oct 8 17:39:17 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:39:17 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <47558B832F0B4BB488945DFA0614AE33@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> One thing's for sure: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I've decided it's much more entertaining not putting smilies and disclaimers in posts ;) PS: Queen are metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVyEc0UfQs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:09 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Best overbite.. ... and Best Supporting Mustache to said overbite. (btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! 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URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 8 17:46:19 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:46:19 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><47558B832F0B4BB488945DFA0614AE33@Spazmatron> <5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> Message-ID: <09D3BF0095244EB2956CD15435EFEE4B@Bell2007PC> Karen Weil wrote: One thing's for sure: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. ++++++ Or everyone's coincidently bored at work today....... or unemployed. T.B. From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 17:48:51 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:48:51 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><47558B832F0B4BB488945DFA0614AE33@Spazmatron> <5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> Message-ID: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. So is swine flu. (MUST....RESIST.....SMILEY) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:39 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks One thing's for sure: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I've decided it's much more entertaining not putting smilies and disclaimers in posts ;) PS: Queen are metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVyEc0UfQs _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:09 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Best overbite.. ... and Best Supporting Mustache to said overbite. (btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! Rejoice! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(MUST....RESIST.....SMILEY) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:39 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks One thing's for sure: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I've decided it's much more entertaining not putting smilies and disclaimers in posts ;) PS: Queen are metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVyEc0UfQs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:09 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Best overbite.. ... and Best Supporting Mustache to said overbite. (btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Thu Oct 8 17:52:08 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><47558B832F0B4BB488945DFA0614AE33@Spazmatron><5B48D9C6A0434478B97C474DAB200CC6@edweil> <09D3BF0095244EB2956CD15435EFEE4B@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: <87461A8FF3A1410FA6DC764ACD583334@edweil> Hah! Can one be both? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mighty TB" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Karen Weil wrote: > > One thing's for sure: this topic proves the Gathering is alive and well. > ++++++ > > Or everyone's coincidently bored at work today....... or unemployed. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From karen.weil at sddt.com Thu Oct 8 17:52:57 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:52:57 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <0KR400A7SO5V5L31@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><266954.43353.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0KR6000RYFKHYUS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><71937.45565.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <47558B832F0B4BB488945DFA0614AE33@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <1AE83948B4404D7BA87857FF4AA4D795@edweil> Yes, the deadpan factor is greatly raised by the lack of emoticons. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I've decided it's much more entertaining not putting smilies and disclaimers in posts ;) PS: Queen are metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVyEc0UfQs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:09 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Best overbite.. ... and Best Supporting Mustache to said overbite. (btw,ithoughtyoudidn'tlikeQueen...) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:45:20 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Queen: Best singer / frontman of all times Invented speed metal, best prog metal band of their time Best gig of all times (Live Aid) Best bass player short shorts Best movie soundtrack(s) Best overbite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 2:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As long as you like Queen, dislike Mew, and hate Soundgarden I'll take your word for it. :) At 07:12 AM 10/7/2009, Jim Harper wrote: It was meeeeeee! Sorry. --- On Wed, 7/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: From: The Exorcist Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 5:51 AM Reported by whom though? :) At 10:14 PM 10/6/2009, flumedc at aol.com wrote: Jaz and Geordie have knocked out several new tracks this past week and are reported to be "f#cking astounding"! 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 17:53:45 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:53:45 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > making them verboten.. > is limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ] Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something I'd love to hear more of. About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Thu Oct 8 17:57:24 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:57:24 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however. Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > making them verboten.. > is limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ] Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something I'd love to hear more of. About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 8 18:12:03 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:12:03 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> Message-ID: Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick white rap. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however. Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > making them verboten.. > is limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ] Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something I'd love to hear more of. About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick white rap. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however. Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > making them verboten.. > is limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ] Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something I'd love to hear more of. About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 8 18:57:41 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:57:41 -0700 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Floren Luke wrote: A more common word for people with limited vocabulary is , *Category* Which one word describes KJ's category ? ++++++ The cut-out bin? T.B. From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 19:49:43 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <6D8BE60466AF49A2B4B4FB3E8CC955EF@edweil> References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron><6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> <6D8BE60466AF49A2B4B4FB3E8CC955EF@edweil> Message-ID: <722564.86714.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > for god's sake man, pick white?rap. ? ? For me personally, Vanilla finally ? redeemed that?song with this really ? bouncy version (I?love it! - but in a ??tongue-in-cheek kinda way) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63EDuNGVi8 ? ? ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ? ________________________________ From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:27:17 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks As I've said, don't get me started on the one version "Stay One Jump Ahead."? (*shudder ...*) ? ? k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- >From: Brendan >To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:12 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > >Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work >? >Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick white?rap. >? > ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil >Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > >Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. >Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however. >? >? >Cheers, >? >k.w. >SoCal >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Brendan >>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> >> >>I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads.. Anyone? >>? >>I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. >>? >>I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. >>? >> ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 >>Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> >> >>> making them verboten.. >>> is?limiting.. >>> the song... harmed.. >>> without giving Geordie full reign.. ?[as opposed to... ] >>? >>Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been?hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also?NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful?heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and?all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing.?By that I mean?I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me?thaink**, hm,?a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out"?the song. >> >>**HARMONICS: now there's something >>??????????????????????? I'd love to hear more of. >> >>About?the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ.?Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. >> >>I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke"?as an adjective and genre name. >> >>That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. >> >>... ... ... ... ... ... >> >>[looking at the current?state of things..] >>? >>'Save me... >>? save me?from Tomorrow.. >>??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Brendan >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> >> >>I suppose their brand of metal has?reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is?limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. >>? >>What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. >>? >>? >> ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw >>Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM >>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> >> >>There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! >> ________________________________ >>From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan >>Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM >>To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >>? >>They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. >>? >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo >>? >> ________________________________ >>From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick >>Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM >>To: gathering at misera.net >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >>Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. >>? >>I totally agree with the points about?pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. >>? >> >>? >>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com >>> To: gathering at misera.net >>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >>> >>> Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially >>> (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 >>> years for it to happen. >>> >>> k.w. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "fluw" >>> To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >>> >>> >>> >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay >>> > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening >>> > to >>> > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a >>> > tragedy. >>> > >>> > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the >>> > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest >>> > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the >>> > time >>> > of production. >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------- >>> > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," >>> > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). >>> > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. >>> > >>> > Ciao, >>> > >>> > k.w. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Gathering mailing list >>> > Gathering at misera.net >>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Gathering mailing list >>> > Gathering at misera.net >>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gathering mailing list >>> Gathering at misera.net >>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> ________________________________ >>Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. >> ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:52:39 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:52:39 -0700 Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... In-Reply-To: References: <4ACE17EC.5020903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: 'Vengeance'. Most of the Abstract label recordings are my favourites. From: fluwdot at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... 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For example, try typing the following into the search bar of http://www.google.com/?: why do black why do white why do hispanics why do latinos why do english why do british why is los angeles ?? et.cet.era... ..you get the picture. Scary shit, and so telling, too. Emoticon: 8)> ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fbc at 21ca.com Thu Oct 8 14:56:54 2009 From: fbc at 21ca.com (Frank Coleman) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:56:54 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACE35F6.6050408@21ca.com> Alex -- I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. ;) best, FBC From sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com Fri Oct 9 02:21:17 2009 From: sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com (Michael) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... Message-ID: <377827.45532.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think one new track that is a little more reminicent if kj is the track off the new album titled "today is a good day" even more so live on Sunday when I saw thrn than on the album Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Alex Smith wrote: Haven't listened to it yet, but it's not that surprising. NMA are avowed Joke fans. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- From: fluw Sent: Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish Forget what it was called though kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ...to me, anyway. It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com Fri Oct 9 02:21:17 2009 From: sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com (Michael) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... Message-ID: <377827.45532.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think one new track that is a little more reminicent if kj is the track off the new album titled "today is a good day" even more so live on Sunday when I saw thrn than on the album Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Alex Smith wrote: Haven't listened to it yet, but it's not that surprising. NMA are avowed Joke fans. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- From: fluw Sent: Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish Forget what it was called though kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ...to me, anyway. It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com Fri Oct 9 02:21:17 2009 From: sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com (Michael) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... Message-ID: <377827.45532.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think one new track that is a little more reminicent if kj is the track off the new album titled "today is a good day" even more so live on Sunday when I saw thrn than on the album Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Alex Smith wrote: Haven't listened to it yet, but it's not that surprising. NMA are avowed Joke fans. Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- From: fluw Sent: Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish Forget what it was called though kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ...to me, anyway. It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 03:33:07 2009 From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:33:07 +1300 Subject: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... In-Reply-To: <8CC166A6AD46C2B-B10-F714@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A6AD46C2B-B10-F714@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: i fuckin love that song! played it at work the other day... =) "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been postponed indefinitely..." On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > You mean "Vengeance" (84). Listen to the drumming on "Betcha": > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefZMGV1GQU > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fluw > To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' < > gathering at misera.net> > Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 12:31 pm > Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... > > *NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish* > * Forget what it was called though* > * * > > > kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... > > ...to me, anyway. > > It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of > the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was > kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y > vibes started filling the room! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 > > > What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) > > > -Oliver > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:07 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks "Money Is Not Our God," to these ears, was an early attempt. ? k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillipps Marc To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Beautiful Dead dips its toe into the thrash pool ? This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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In-Reply-To: <14484390.1255033436630.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14484390.1255033436630.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC16EB4D1FD45E-3F0C-A8C@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> I remember seeing them both in Finsbury Park in 91.? NMA dedicated "Men in White Coats" to Killing Joke, which made me smile. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Smith To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) ; 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:23 Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... Haven't listened to it yet, but it's not that surprising. NMA are avowed Joke fans. ? Alex in NYC -----Original Message----- From: fluw Sent: Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... NMA had a record around 83 or 84 that was very 82-84 joke'ish ?Forget what it was called though ? ? ? kj] A New Model Ary song that sounds like Killing Joke... ? ...to me, anyway. ? It's one of their newer ones (off High, I think). The song is "One of the Chosen." I saw the play it live last year. Honestly, the show was kind of boring until they played this song, then suddenly Killing Joke-y vibes started filling the room! ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chczxAdXfO8 ? ? What do you think? Could it have been written by Jaz or what? :) ? ? -Oliver _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Fri Oct 9 07:37:50 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:37:50 +1100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <8CC16EB16FF99C1-3F0C-A61@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com><8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com><679B5BDD81BC4C4FA83F7C79D15B807C@edweil> <8CC16EB16FF99C1-3F0C-A61@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: the metallers I knew in the early eighties weren't Joke fans Geordie was ;) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 10:31 PM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks OK, OK, I nearly retyped my email to say "pre-Extremities", 'cos I can hear metal tinges in some (most?) of the tracks there. But the early stuff sounds like a mix of punk/disco/reggae with the added mystery ingredient... but not metal. Certainly (as per iPat's comments about the Joke's audience) the metallers I knew in the early eighties weren't Joke fans. And all the Joke fans I knew (not many) were punks. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:07 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks "Money Is Not Our God," to these ears, was an early attempt. k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillipps Marc To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Beautiful Dead dips its toe into the thrash pool This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpwhkj at aol.com Fri Oct 9 07:43:51 2009 From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:43:51 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <1B99A0E2BEFD4527AEC6F3595F459C98@Spazmatron> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com><8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> <1B99A0E2BEFD4527AEC6F3595F459C98@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <8CC16ECE83E3B54-3F0C-BCF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> I like the idea of Groove Metal.? That prompts me to share with the list how much I love the way KJ combine truly funky bass with razor-edged guitar.? Reminds me of Tackhead in that respect. That's an interesting point about taking post-1990 as "where they were heading".? Personally I don't see it like that; once Big Paul had gone, I think KJ changed direction, not deliberately, but because the creative tension that drove them forward had broken.? That's not to say that they haven't produced some amazing stuff since then, but I think the unique Joke-ness has never quite been there. One of my exes was big on the Led Zep / KJ similarities, in particular A New Day (supposedly) sounded like LZ. Think I'll put on some Tackhead. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:30 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think that first album in particular: ? Requiem Wardance (groove metal ;) The Wait (speed / thrash) possibily Primitive ? Huge chunks of Extremities, easily the first half. Bloody good album but will always be proto-Pandy to me, just in terms of what popped my cherry and what I was contemporary with. I think Pandy was their metal zenith, and?a creative high water mark. ? Other than that it's hard to pick individual tracks (easily)...but if I had to peg them I'd say rock or metal was a dominant constituent. It's what they've been doing predominantly since about 1990 so I suppose to me that lends weight that that's what I was hearing and where they were heading. ? If I had to pick a song that reminded me most of "Dub?Metal" I'd say Dominator is the perfect fit, but is that THE defining early KJ track??I dunno if you could pick one, going from Nervous System to Requiem to?Night Time to One Step Ahead?is just gonna divide fans, no way around it. ? Anyway all you post punk wannabes just need to get over it,?buy yourselves some black t shirts, learn the horns, start drinking Jack and get over it. ? *wink* ? ? From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 12:18 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I remember reading an interview or review way back (in the eighties) which described them as dub metal.? (If?memory serves, WTF was specifically referenced.)? Personally, I can't see the metal bit, but I'm not much of a muso... ? Brendan - which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? ? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:12 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks as well as reggae elements then, their penchant for roots was evident does that then, using some peoples argument, make them a reggae/dub band? its a silly discussion, they are what they are and trying to put labels on them simply does them injustice. > > That doesn't make KJ a metal band per se, but there are certainly metal > elements to their sound. > > Alex in NYC -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpwhkj at aol.com Fri Oct 9 08:09:44 2009 From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:09:44 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com><8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com><679B5BDD81BC4C4FA83F7C79D15B807C@edweil><8CC16EB16FF99C1-3F0C-A61@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC16F08604A35F-3F0C-F51@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> You slipped up with the wink. But it made me laugh! -----Original Message----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:37 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks the metallers I knew in the early eighties weren't Joke fans ? Geordie was ;) From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 10:31 PM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks OK, OK, I nearly retyped my email to say "pre-Extremities", 'cos I can hear metal tinges in some (most?) of the tracks there.? But the early stuff sounds like a mix of punk/disco/reggae with the added mystery ingredient... but not metal.? Certainly (as per?iPat's comments about the Joke's audience) the metallers I knew in the early eighties weren't Joke fans.? And all the Joke fans I knew (not many) were punks. ? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:07 Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks "Money Is Not Our God," to these ears, was an early attempt. ? k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillipps Marc To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >which (pre-Pandemonium) tracks do you think are at the metal end of the Joke's spectrum? Beautiful Dead dips its toe into the thrash pool ? This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. 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URL: From jerry at fleamusic.com Fri Oct 9 09:30:06 2009 From: jerry at fleamusic.com (Jerry Butson) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:30:06 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> Message-ID: <6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> Well neither Coleman nor JC001 are white, but Coleman just wasn't very good at it. JC001, however, plainly was. Come on...it ain't a white/black/asian thing...it just didn't suit KJ or Coleman solo (whichever way you look at it). Ballads: A Southern Sky/Lanterns/My Love of This Land anyone? 2009/10/8 Brendan > *Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work* > > Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick > white rap . > > ------------------------------ > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *Karen Weil > *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. > Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal > needed, however. > > > Cheers, > > k.w. > SoCal > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Brendan > *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' > *Sent:* Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never > would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? > > I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a > collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. > > I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw > droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as > example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as > mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone > to find similar examples. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *sade1 > *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > making them verboten.. > > is limiting.. > > the song... harmed.. > > without giving Geordie full reign.. [*as opposed to...* ] > > Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has > been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as > he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a > song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some > beautiful heights, I personally have *never missed *a guitar solo in any > and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I > mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink* > ***, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the > song. > > ****HARMONICS: now there's something > I'd love to hear more of. > > About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term > I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at > a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just > not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen > KJ described in terms of metal. > > I think as KJ "enthusiasts"all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and > genre name. > > That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would > come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. > > ... ... ... ... ... ... > > *[looking at the current state of things..]* > ** > 'Save me... > save me from Tomorrow.. > I don't want to *sail **in this Ship Of Fools...' * > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brendan > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < > gathering at misera.net> > *Sent:* Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in > some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead > breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. > Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten > is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to > make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't > change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the > song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of > complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. > > What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, > which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can > into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s > standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that > arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *fluw > *Sent:* Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM > *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > There is a *BIG *difference between the metal they started out playing > and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! > ------------------------------ > > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *Brendan > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM > *To:* ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > > They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo > metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career > IMO, and for the better too. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *nicholas fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM > *To:* gathering at misera.net > *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have > influenced their direction. > > I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. > Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > > > > > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > > years for it to happen. > > > > k.w. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "fluw" > > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and > listening > > > to > > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is > a > > > tragedy. > > > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > > time > > > of production. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the > future," > > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and > always). > > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, > IMO. > > > > > > Ciao, > > > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > ------------------------------ > > Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 11:59:29 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:59:29 +0100 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks In-Reply-To: <8CC16ECE83E3B54-3F0C-BCF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net> <1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com> <8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> <1B99A0E2BEFD4527AEC6F3595F459C98@Spazmatron> <8CC16ECE83E3B54-3F0C-BCF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1646350c0910090859v69076bfeo8082c56c35cbaa5c@mail.gmail.com> Ticking Time Bomb is blasting from the system right now The similarities to the Madness vibe are there, so would the departure of Youth not be in that mix too. ravens input certainly had a defining slant to a new direction although more so on his second stint imho, probably because of BPFs absense. Looking at Youth And Fergusons style on Brilliant a funkier sound was happening. Might that have been the direction of KJ had the Iceland saga not happened? Who knows. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > I like the idea of Groove Metal.? That prompts me to share with the list how > much I love the way KJ combine truly funky bass with razor-edged guitar. > Reminds me of Tackhead in that respect. > > That's an interesting point about taking post-1990 as "where they were > heading".? Personally I don't see it like that; once Big Paul had gone, I > think KJ changed direction, not deliberately, but because the creative > tension that drove them forward had broken.? That's not to say that they > haven't produced some amazing stuff since then, but I think the unique > Joke-ness has never quite been there. armageddon-style flame war breaks out> > > One of my exes was big on the Led Zep / KJ similarities, in particular A New > Day (supposedly) sounded like LZ. > > Think I'll put on some Tackhead. > > Jamie > -- -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 13:22:53 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:22:53 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <4ACE35F6.6050408@21ca.com> Message-ID: <9F3BFCD2F5404193929FC57946DBBB89@edweil> Love that description! k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coleman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Alex -- > > I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific > songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > > ;) > > best, > FBC > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 13:33:56 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:33:56 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <77A78A48-1131-4612-ADBB-5B623BB9A5A8@earthlink.net><1646350c0910080412i2e84cc74q7c32cec2414edaea@mail.gmail.com><8CC1630DAC3C911-1718-B9E9@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com><1B99A0E2BEFD4527AEC6F3595F459C98@Spazmatron><8CC16ECE83E3B54-3F0C-BCF@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910090859v69076bfeo8082c56c35cbaa5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8992950DCEB4462F8792A037A5E2B62B@edweil> Great points made by both Gatherers about what the late, great Raven, along with Youth and BPF, did for the band -- and it is true: KJ did indeed lose something essential without them. So, here's to the original combo, with much respect to Mr. Paul Raven, and their new endeavor. I cannot wait. Cheers, kw the States ----- Original Message ----- From: "iPat" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Ticking Time Bomb is blasting from the system right now The similarities to the Madness vibe are there, so would the departure of Youth not be in that mix too. ravens input certainly had a defining slant to a new direction although more so on his second stint imho, probably because of BPFs absense. Looking at Youth And Fergusons style on Brilliant a funkier sound was happening. Might that have been the direction of KJ had the Iceland saga not happened? Who knows. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > I like the idea of Groove Metal. That prompts me to share with the list > how > much I love the way KJ combine truly funky bass with razor-edged guitar. > Reminds me of Tackhead in that respect. > > That's an interesting point about taking post-1990 as "where they were > heading". Personally I don't see it like that; once Big Paul had gone, I > think KJ changed direction, not deliberately, but because the creative > tension that drove them forward had broken. That's not to say that they > haven't produced some amazing stuff since then, but I think the unique > Joke-ness has never quite been there. armageddon-style flame war breaks out> > > One of my exes was big on the Led Zep / KJ similarities, in particular A > New > Day (supposedly) sounded like LZ. > > Think I'll put on some Tackhead. > > Jamie > -- -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 14:12:56 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:12:56 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron><6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> <6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah, yes: Forgot about those ones. "Southern," I do not like at all. The others are fine. k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Butson To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Well neither Coleman nor JC001 are white, but Coleman just wasn't very good at it. JC001, however, plainly was. Come on...it ain't a white/black/asian thing...it just didn't suit KJ or Coleman solo (whichever way you look at it). Ballads: A Southern Sky/Lanterns/My Love of This Land anyone? 2009/10/8 Brendan Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick white rap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work. Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however. Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone? I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely. I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > making them verboten.. > is limiting.. > the song... harmed.. > without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ] Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song. **HARMONICS: now there's something I'd love to hear more of. About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal. I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name. That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever. What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM To: ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction. I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more. > From: karen.weil at sddt.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20 > years for it to happen. > > k.w. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fluw" > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening > > to > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a > > tragedy. > > > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the > > time > > of production. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future," > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always). > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO. > > > > Ciao, > > > > k.w. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. 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KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In-Reply-To: References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> <6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KR900KTXNL12U10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In other news... Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's intent on making the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 17:30:12 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:30:12 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron><6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil><6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> <0KR900KTXNL12U10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <866C1F7FDA404955947B9589EBA17C09@edweil> Maybe the prez will award it to them, eh? ; ) k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In other news... Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's intent on making the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Fri Oct 9 17:37:47 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:37:47 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In-Reply-To: <866C1F7FDA404955947B9589EBA17C09@edweil> References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> <6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> <0KR900KTXNL12U10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <866C1F7FDA404955947B9589EBA17C09@edweil> Message-ID: <0KR900IGTO30CJV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Maybe indeed! :) But will he be wearing stockings? At 05:30 PM 10/9/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >Maybe the prez will award it to them, eh? ; ) > >k.w. >----- Original Message ----- >From: The Exorcist >To: A list about all things Killing >Joke (the band!) >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:27 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award > >In other news... > >Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. > >Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's >intent on making >the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 17:40:36 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:40:36 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron><129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron><6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil><6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com><0KR900KTXNL12U10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><866C1F7FDA404955947B9589EBA17C09@edweil> <0KR900IGTO30CJV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <33F003C5429141C28776A6E67608FC7C@edweil> I'm not going there, dude. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award Maybe indeed! :) But will he be wearing stockings? At 05:30 PM 10/9/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Maybe the prez will award it to them, eh? ; ) k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In other news... Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. 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KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In other news... Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's intent on making the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Fri Oct 9 18:00:32 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:00:32 -0400 Subject: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In-Reply-To: References: <956B08C3616C4A559B5593503D90079A@Spazmatron> <129472.13609.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4995FDA1A01146EE8F688ACA3EFF8AA3@Spazmatron> <6CEB176FD9124D0E9C774D156D3781F5@edweil> <6bd06be20910090630q63dba5a1tfa3c38748aa89b3f@mail.gmail.com> <0KR900KTXNL12U10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KR900B6PP4XKGI0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> ROFL! Hope this means you're in better spirits Brendan! At 05:58 PM 10/9/2009, Brendan wrote: >The band have pre-empted a repeat of this year's Kanye West debacle >by issuing a pre-emptive Press Release warning regarding the event, >which unfortuntately can't be reprinted... > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 8:27 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award > >In other news... > >Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. > >Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's >intent on making >the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Love that description!? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coleman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Alex -- > > I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > > ;) > > best, > FBC > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 19:11:11 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:11:11 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <4ACE35F6.6050408@21ca.com><9F3BFCD2F5404193929FC57946DBBB89@edweil> <768574.89187.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874DD8895FFA417CB4F48E297057F5C7@edweil> Darn, sade1: I was going to nominate you. ; ) Have a fine weekend! k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> ..their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > ..Love that description! I agree about the phrase; I second that love. I hereby nominate Frank Coleman for the Nobel Peace Prize. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. 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Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Love that description! k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coleman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Alex -- > > I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > > ;) > > best, > FBC > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was going to nominate you.? ; ) ? Have a fine weekend! ? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- >From: sade1 >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > >>> ..their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound.? >? >>? ..Love that description!?? > >??? I agree about the phrase; I second that love.? I hereby nominate Frank Coleman?for the Nobel Peace Prize. > >? >... ... ... ... ... ... > >[looking at the current?state of things..] >? >'Save me... >? save me?from Tomorrow.. >??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? >? > > > > > ________________________________ From: Karen Weil >To: fbc at 21ca.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:22:53 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > >Love that description!? >k.w. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coleman" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > > >> Alex -- >> >> I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. >> >> ;) >> >> best, >> FBC >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering at misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 9 21:23:02 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:23:02 -0700 Subject: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks References: <4ACE35F6.6050408@21ca.com><9F3BFCD2F5404193929FC57946DBBB89@edweil><768574.89187.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><874DD8895FFA417CB4F48E297057F5C7@edweil> <116291.63624.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1F7167B76D2A4B1CA6F3DBB68CE118D3@edweil> Bless your heart, sade1. I'm working on immortality, in one fashion or another. I think, even though my knowledge base is puny compared to you and other Gatherers, I could write the ultimate Killing Joke book. Cheers, Karen (the frustrated writer) SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks You I nominate for both the Pushcart and the Pulitzer Prize, for both your future journalistic efforts & the Great American Novel you will soon write (soon, right)? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 4:11:11 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Darn, sade1: I was going to nominate you. ; ) Have a fine weekend! k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks >> ..their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > ..Love that description! 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Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks Love that description! k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coleman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks > Alex -- > > I'd amend that: What makes KJ so compelling is their terrific songwriting, coupled with their bloodthirsty sound. > > ;) > > best, > FBC > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 05:58 PM 10/9/2009, Brendan wrote: The band have pre-empted a repeat of this year's Kanye West debacle by issuing a pre-emptive Press Release warning regarding the event, which unfortuntately can't be reprinted... _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 8:27 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award In other news... Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's intent on making the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr Sat Oct 10 03:13:06 2009 From: frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr (Frenchy Frenzy) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:13:06 +0200 Subject: [kj] [KJ] Ben Calvert with Calvin Harris Message-ID: <20091010071313.28411240008E@mwumf0222.dbmail.com> Hi All, This week Calvin Harris played at a french TV show ? Le Grand Journal ? on Canal + TV with a ? special ? drummer Ben Calvert (ex KJ) Here is the link to see the ?live appearance? (see EMISSION DU 07 /10/09 below then EXTRAITS DE L?EMISSION and use the arrow for ?La Suite 1? on the right side at 01min 38 s) http://www.canalplus.fr/tous-les-programmes/les-emissions/pid2174-c-p-le-gra nd-journal.html?parent_id=1760 &nav=1 In 1994, just before their Elysee Montmartre?s gig in Paris, Killing Joke played at quite a similar show (Nulle Part Ailleurs) thank to Stephane Saunier THE MUSIC MAN of this French TV who worked already there in 94 and still works there for The ?Grand Journal? 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At 09:52 PM 10/9/2009, Brendan wrote: >Wild Turkey at the moment... > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 9:01 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award > >ROFL! Hope this means you're in better spirits Brendan! > >At 05:58 PM 10/9/2009, Brendan wrote: >>The band have pre-empted a repeat of this year's Kanye West debacle >>by issuing a pre-emptive Press Release warning regarding the event, >>which unfortuntately can't be reprinted... >> >> >>---------- >>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >>Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 8:27 AM >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Subject: Re: [kj] fully off topic... KJ 2010 Music Video of the Year award >> >>In other news... >> >>Killing Joke has been awarded the 2010 Music Video of the Year award. >> >>Though the song and video have not been written yet, Killing Joke's >>intent on making >>the best video in 2010 proved to be more than enough to garner the award. >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is the link to see the ?live appearance?(see EMISSION DU 07 /10/09 ?below then EXTRAITS DE L?EMISSION and use the arrow ?for ?La Suite 1? on the right side at 01min 38 s) ? http://www.canalplus.fr/tous-les-programmes/les-emissions/pid2174-c-p-le-grand-journal.html?parent_id=1760&nav=1 ? In 1994, just before their Elysee Montmartre?s gig in Paris, Killing Joke played at quite a similar show (Nulle Part Ailleurs) thank to Stephane Saunier ?THE MUSIC MAN of this French TV who worked already there in 94 and still works there for The ?Grand Journal? ? I?ll try to contact him and let him think again the Joke?.. maybe in 2010. ? Stephane ?Frenchy Frenzy? (Ready for the Week End ;o)) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SEEDMAGAZINE.COM http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/why_do_grandmas_exist/ I think it's time to retire.... :) At 09:58 PM 10/8/2009, sade1 wrote: >Ever wondered what other people are really >(like, really) wondering about other people but will never admit to, ever?? >Inspired by someone else's search, I noticed you >will find the most bizarre, wayyy-too-honest >Google searches that would insult just about >anyone - and that's without ever having to click the "Google Search" button. >For example, try typing the following >into the search bar of http://www.google.com/ : >why do black >why do white >why do hispanics >why do latinos >why do english >why do british >why is los angeles > et.cet.era... >..you get the picture. > > >Scary shit, and so telling, too. > > >Emoticon: 8)> > > >... ... ... ... ... ... > >[looking at the current state of things..] > >'Save me... > save me from Tomorrow.. > I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In: Theater, Movie Genres [Edit categories] Culinary Schools Request Information from Culinary Schools in Your Area! www.collegebound.net [Improve] Billy elliot the musical is part comedy. Some of the parts r funny. Although u may need to be with young children when they are watching it because it does have some course language. I hope this helped ! From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:44:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Uncategorised Floren Luke wrote: A more common word for people with limited vocabulary is , *Category* Which one word describes KJ's category ? ++++++ The cut-out bin? 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: "jasmead111 at verizon.net" To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure blokes Oct 11, 2009 05:18:37 AM, gathering at misera.net wrote: Fundlementalists > >On 11 Oct 2009, at 03:27, jasmead111 at verizon.net wrote: > > >Englishmen >> >> >>Oct 8, 2009 05:53:36 PM, gathering at misera.net wrote: >> >>Floren Luke wrote: >>> >>>A more common word for people with limited vocabulary is , *Category* >>>Which one word describes KJ's category? >>> >________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 12:54:28 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:54:28 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: UK magazine Message-ID: <1646350c0910130954g3529445cha68e59ff50c270f9@mail.gmail.com> magazine on Jools tonight BBC2 -- -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Tue Oct 13 17:37:28 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:37:28 +1100 Subject: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... Message-ID: <385F64F801634EE288059280C0CC5287@Spazmatron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 13 17:57:27 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:57:27 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... References: <385F64F801634EE288059280C0CC5287@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <57E6FDA088A540BC8E6E3FFD7B8C0B0A@edweil> Ah. lovely ... ; ) k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From countessghoulita at aol.com Tue Oct 13 18:29:55 2009 From: countessghoulita at aol.com (countessghoulita at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:29:55 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... In-Reply-To: <57E6FDA088A540BC8E6E3FFD7B8C0B0A@edweil> References: <385F64F801634EE288059280C0CC5287@Spazmatron> <57E6FDA088A540BC8E6E3FFD7B8C0B0A@edweil> Message-ID: <8CC1A6BD2C3C53F-5484-90ED@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> Stiff..and the book is great http://books.google.com/books?id=8Zi3-pOWtbAC&dq=stiff+book&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Mf_USo7rJJTsswPi5LyRDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=stiff%20book&f=false -----Original Message----- From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... Ah. lovely ...? ; ) ? k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Another band name suggestion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection ? ? _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 13 22:42:34 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:42:34 -0700 Subject: [kj] ot Lesser KooDoo myspace page References: <13071bf00910120128t7f7ac58bm1795937e815401ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55B2B995690B4C929C573FC70396635A@edweil> Thanks for the link, Cliff! : ) k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Livingston To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: [kj] ot Lesser KooDoo myspace page Hiya friends, please add my new myspace page for Lesser KooDoo oldschool band from 88-89 New Jersey.Just posted some video's 6 song live set we did at the Court Tavern New Brunswick New Jersey 1989.Cliff guitar and vocals,Kara on drums,Toby on bass,Jeni on vocals,and Todd on synth. http://www.myspace.com/lesserkoodoo p.s. there's some talk of a reunion of this group,recording session and shows,let us know whatcha think,thanks,CliffMonk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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T.B. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:06:21 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:06:21 -0700 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure In-Reply-To: References: <1753233589.107875.1255228029554.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Do they kiss the aRse of Uncle Sam? From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:40:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Uh, for starters, yes. ; ) Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: jasmead111 at verizon.net To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Englishmen _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: jasmead111 at verizon.net To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Englishmen _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 14 17:08:13 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:08:13 -0700 Subject: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure References: <1753233589.107875.1255228029554.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8517A954D5F14D73A983A4FBED9F9AC0@edweil> Most definitely not. : ) Ciao, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Do they kiss the aRse of Uncle Sam? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: karen.weil at sddt.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:40:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure Uh, for starters, yes. ; ) Cheers, k.w. 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Thu Oct 15 21:42:26 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:42:26 +1100 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39E197E021A14EA5BA8510C2837BC14C@Spazmatron> Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the first link...(@ 12 sec) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2009 12:49 AM To: Gathering Gathering Subject: [kj] KJ Doc Looks like there might be some forward movement with the doc, including a recut trailer with some footage I haven't seen before: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5lyd_killing-joke-the-death-and-resurrec_ music and it looks like their Brit indie producers are trying to put together a mini-site: http://coffeefilms.com/killingjoke/ There's also a status blurb on the main page, dated from 7/24: http://coffeefilms.com/content.html This might be old news to some, but not to me. 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From paulgorman at ireland.com Thu Oct 15 23:58:11 2009 From: paulgorman at ireland.com (Paul Gorman [Online]) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) In-Reply-To: <1891214793.779781255665372108.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> Message-ID: <642093971.779801255665491947.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> dub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Jack Coleman.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 53532 bytes Desc: not available Url : From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Fri Oct 16 06:51:42 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:51:42 +1100 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc In-Reply-To: <5364E66A05D14EC8B3A3823A9944732A@Bell2007PC> References: <39E197E021A14EA5BA8510C2837BC14C@Spazmatron> <5364E66A05D14EC8B3A3823A9944732A@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: <4EBFDA7FE7974B0DAAA60B396BC9767F@Spazmatron> Pretty sure it's a spider, looks like one I'm familiar with, the one they used in the movie Arachnophobia...big bloody legs. Could be wrong tho, anyone know where that was filmed? If it was NZ it'll be an Avondale Spider. Aussie import. Biggest spider in NZ, but harmless...and you get much bigger nastier ones o/s. If you freeze the vid you can check it out... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Mighty TB Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 1:34 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Brendan wrote: Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the first link...(@ 12 sec) +++++++ That's a scorpion (which is arguably creepier). T.B. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From PaulGorman at ireland.com Fri Oct 16 06:55:36 2009 From: PaulGorman at ireland.com (Paul Gorman [Laptop]) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:55:36 +0100 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc In-Reply-To: <4EBFDA7FE7974B0DAAA60B396BC9767F@Spazmatron> References: <39E197E021A14EA5BA8510C2837BC14C@Spazmatron> <5364E66A05D14EC8B3A3823A9944732A@Bell2007PC> <4EBFDA7FE7974B0DAAA60B396BC9767F@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <007201ca4e4f$31ac7890$950569b0$@com> Who is "The Gatherer" 1min 10 secs in, anyone on the list? dub -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: 16 October 2009 11:52 AM To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Pretty sure it's a spider, looks like one I'm familiar with, the one they used in the movie Arachnophobia...big bloody legs. Could be wrong tho, anyone know where that was filmed? If it was NZ it'll be an Avondale Spider. Aussie import. Biggest spider in NZ, but harmless...and you get much bigger nastier ones o/s. If you freeze the vid you can check it out... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Mighty TB Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 1:34 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Brendan wrote: Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the first link...(@ 12 sec) +++++++ That's a scorpion (which is arguably creepier). T.B. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 16 13:13:14 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:13:14 -0700 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) References: <642093971.779801255665491947.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> Message-ID: Ugh .... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Gorman [Online] To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) dub ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 53532 bytes Desc: not available Url : From planetary at socal.rr.com Fri Oct 16 13:45:29 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:45:29 -0700 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) In-Reply-To: References: <642093971.779801255665491947.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> Message-ID: <3A61CDE0AC614760A7F289AF196B45DD@Bell2007PC> Those are really before and after photos showing the immediate results of performing oral sex on Courtney Love. Or standing within 20 feet of Amy Winehouse. T.B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 53532 bytes Desc: not available Url : From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 16 13:52:22 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:52:22 -0700 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) References: <642093971.779801255665491947.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> <3A61CDE0AC614760A7F289AF196B45DD@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: Thanks; I have no appetite now. : P k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Mighty TB To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) Those are really before and after photos showing the immediate results of performing oral sex on Courtney Love. Or standing within 20 feet of Amy Winehouse. T.B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 53532 bytes Desc: not available Url : From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 17:28:22 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] KJ Doc In-Reply-To: <39E197E021A14EA5BA8510C2837BC14C@Spazmatron> References: <39E197E021A14EA5BA8510C2837BC14C@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <689475.58528.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > ...that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the?first link...(@ 12 sec)... Yeah, he's gone and done it;?he's finally gone all "Colonel Kurtz":?http://blogsloth.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/colkurtzwh8.jpg .. . http://media.photobucket.com/image/colonel%20kurtz/gawfer2001/64816-Col-Kurtz-0.jpg Anyone think this movie is going to be more?about "All That Jaz.." and not much about the band? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 6:42:26 PM Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the?first link...(@ 12 sec) ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2009 12:49 AM To: Gathering Gathering Subject: [kj] KJ Doc Looks like there might be some forward movement with the doc, including a recut trailer with some footage?I haven't seen before: ? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5lyd_killing-joke-the-death-and-resurrec_music ? and it looks like their Brit indie producers are trying to put together a mini-site: ? http://coffeefilms.com/killingjoke/ ? There's also a status blurb on the main page, dated from 7/24: http://coffeefilms.com/content.html ? This might be old news to some, but not to me. 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Yeah, he's gone and done it; he's finally gone all "Colonel Kurtz": http://blogsloth.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/colkurtzwh8.jpg .. . http://media.photobucket.com/image/colonel%20kurtz/gawfer2001/64816-Col-Kurtz-0.jpg Anyone think this movie is going to be more about "All That Jaz.." and not much about the band? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brendan To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 6:42:26 PM Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the first link...(@ 12 sec) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2009 12:49 AM To: Gathering Gathering Subject: [kj] KJ Doc Looks like there might be some forward movement with the doc, including a recut trailer with some footage I haven't seen before: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5lyd_killing-joke-the-death-and-resurrec_music and it looks like their Brit indie producers are trying to put together a mini-site: http://coffeefilms.com/killingjoke/ There's also a status blurb on the main page, dated from 7/24: http://coffeefilms.com/content.html This might be old news to some, but not to me. 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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [kj] KJ Doc Holy fuck I just noticed that big ass spider walking across Jaz's noggin at the beginning of the first link...(@ 12 sec) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2009 12:49 AM To: Gathering Gathering Subject: [kj] KJ Doc Looks like there might be some forward movement with the doc, including a recut trailer with some footage I haven't seen before: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5lyd_killing-joke-the-death-and-resurrec_music and it looks like their Brit indie producers are trying to put together a mini-site: http://coffeefilms.com/killingjoke/ There's also a status blurb on the main page, dated from 7/24: http://coffeefilms.com/content.html This might be old news to some, but not to me. Thought I'd share. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 16 20:33:23 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:33:23 -0700 Subject: [kj] [KJ] Ben Calvert with Calvin Harris References: <20091010071313.28411240008E@mwumf0222.dbmail.com> <302999.22740.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9795B1F5CE634A468204B50DCE5C05E2@edweil> You know, given the Friday I've had, this actually came in handy. Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] Ben Calvert with Calvin Harris > Stephane ?Frenchy Frenzy? (Ready for the Week End ;o)) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgL1hEX-7Gs ... ... ... ... .... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Frenchy Frenzy To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:13:06 AM Subject: [kj] [KJ] Ben Calvert with Calvin Harris Hi All, This week Calvin Harris played at a french TV show ? Le Grand Journal ? on Canal + TV with a ? special ? drummer Ben Calvert (ex KJ) Here is the link to see the ?live appearance? (see EMISSION DU 07 /10/09 below then EXTRAITS DE L?EMISSION and use the arrow for ?La Suite 1? on the right side at 01min 38 s) http://www.canalplus.fr/tous-les-programmes/les-emissions/pid2174-c-p-le-grand-journal.html?parent_id=1760&nav=1 In 1994, just before their Elysee Montmartre?s gig in Paris, Killing Joke played at quite a similar show (Nulle Part Ailleurs) thank to Stephane Saunier THE MUSIC MAN of this French TV who worked already there in 94 and still works there for The ?Grand Journal? I?ll try to contact him and let him think again the Joke?.. maybe in 2010. Stephane ?Frenchy Frenzy? (Ready for the Week End ;o)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Pick one word to describe KJs genure On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Brendan wrote: Smurfy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOUD!!! sean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elipsis44 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 17 00:34:22 2009 From: elipsis44 at hotmail.com (J Casavola) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:34:22 -0700 Subject: [kj] KJ Doc - Uncanny Resemblance :o) In-Reply-To: <642093971.779801255665491947.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> References: <1891214793.779781255665372108.JavaMail.root@ir-mbox03> Message-ID: Ha Ha, seperated at birth! 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It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&bl ogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&frien dId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... Love and Light to you all _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PaulGorman at ireland.com Tue Oct 20 03:01:11 2009 From: PaulGorman at ireland.com (Paul Gorman [Home]) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:01:11 +0100 Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 In-Reply-To: <0KRS00JUZW6HA750@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KRS00JUZW6HA750@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <000301ca5153$1beeca10$53cc5e30$@com> For any that may have missed the stream http://www.2shared.com/file/8550154/fbf235e8/Its_Always_Christmas_Time_-_Min istry.html RIP Paul dub not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&bl ogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&frien dId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... Love and Light to you all _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Tue Oct 20 07:02:44 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:02:44 +1100 Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for24hrs on Oct. 20 In-Reply-To: <000f01ca5153$5ca8c420$15fa4c60$@com> References: <0KRS00JUZW6HA750@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000f01ca5153$5ca8c420$15fa4c60$@com> Message-ID: <0805B5F718F74917A13E6283DB7E092F@Spazmatron> I'm enjoying this, had it on loop for an hour or so while writing emails. Cheers for sharing Damon / Paul, I'm gonna join you in a drink now. RIP Raven. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Paul Gorman [Home] Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 6:03 PM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for24hrs on Oct. 20 For any that may have missed the stream http://www.2shared.com/file/8550154/fbf235e8/Its_Always_Christmas_Time_-_Min istry.html RIP Paul dub not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&frie ndId=12277641&blogId=514782225> http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&bl ogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&frien dId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... Love and Light to you all _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, bassmonkey, whereever you are. b From laughingchris at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 08:24:33 2009 From: laughingchris at hotmail.com (Chris Williamson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:24:33 +0100 Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice tune, Xmas number 1 (laughs out LOUD!) Glass raised, head bowed. RAVEN LIVES! Merry fucking Christmas LaughingChris Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:28:16 -0400 From: soundmagick at gmail.com To: Gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... Love and Light to you all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasw30 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 12:15:35 2009 From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:15:35 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Friends in the US,Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US?Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians?Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet?Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 13:20:47 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:20:47 -0700 Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for24hrs on Oct. 20 References: <0KRS00JUZW6HA750@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000f01ca5153$5ca8c420$15fa4c60$@com> Message-ID: RE: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20Thanks much for the link, sir. Paul Raven lives on. k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Gorman [Home] To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for24hrs on Oct. 20 For any that may have missed the stream http://www.2shared.com/file/8550154/fbf235e8/Its_Always_Christmas_Time_-_Ministry.html RIP Paul dub not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... 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It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? Learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Tue Oct 20 14:26:34 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:26:34 -0400 Subject: [kj] Test... Message-ID: <0KRT004W3SKBYO30@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Test... From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 14:28:07 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:28:07 -0700 Subject: [kj] Test... References: <0KRT004W3SKBYO30@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <672954DCA1924E3E869795FE8AF33B02@edweil> "1, 2, 3 ..." k.w. The Left Coast ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Exorcist" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: [kj] Test... > Test... > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Tue Oct 20 14:29:08 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:29:08 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Message-ID: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >Nicholas: > >To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, >which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the >administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. >It looks foolish. >"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's >trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think >Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, >if things aren't perfect yet. >That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but >that would probably bore you to death. ; ) > >Cheers, > >k.w. >----- Original Message ----- >From: nicholas fitzpatrick >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >Friends in the US, >Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an >anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >Thanks > > > > >---------- >Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? >Learn more. > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >Nicholas: > >To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, >which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the >administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. >It looks foolish. >"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's >trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think >Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, >if things aren't perfect yet. >That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but >that would probably bore you to death. ; ) > >Cheers, > >k.w. >----- Original Message ----- >From: nicholas fitzpatrick >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >Friends in the US, > >Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an >anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? > >Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? > >Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? > >Thanks > > > > >---------- >Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? >Learn more. > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 14:58:17 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:58:17 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> My dear Exo: "I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused. (And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. Respectfully, K. Weil California, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Nicholas: To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:17:07 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:17:07 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> in principle you are right, but Fox is owned by Murdoch who has a big history and rejoices in influencing who wields power. The journalists may be independent, but they wont get hired at Fox. Thats not saying I'm on the other side either. Its a simple observation from a long history of watching Murdoch On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM, The Exorcist wrote: > Dear Nicholas, > > This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to > be pro or anti. > They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > > (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. > Personally, I'd rather have people > vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Tue Oct 20 17:48:54 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:48:54 +1100 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A3C077E5BCC4DF99743427F2816632B@Spazmatron> Fox was outed for the far-right bunch they are in the 2004 documentary Outfoxed, worth watching. http://www.outfoxed.org/ Full video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlI97TFims4 Hear from the horses' mouths (ex Fox staff) about how it all comes down straight from Murdoch...nothing to do with 'journalism'. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of iPat Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 8:17 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox in principle you are right, but Fox is owned by Murdoch who has a big history and rejoices in influencing who wields power. The journalists may be independent, but they wont get hired at Fox. Thats not saying I'm on the other side either. Its a simple observation from a long history of watching Murdoch On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM, The Exorcist wrote: > Dear Nicholas, > > This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't > supposed to be pro or anti. > They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > > (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. > Personally, I'd rather have people > vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Tue Oct 20 18:07:24 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:07:24 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <26169349.1256066733133.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <26169349.1256066733133.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0KRU00HEF2SDYVR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Just wondering, would you say that NBC, CNN etc.... are pro Obama? At 03:25 PM 10/20/2009, Alex Smith wrote: >FOX is inarguably anti-Obama. To suggest otherwise is laughably naive. > > > >Alex in NYC > > >-----Original Message----- >From: The Exorcist >Sent: Oct 20, 2009 2:29 PM >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >Dear Nicholas, > >This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't >supposed to be pro or anti. >They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > >(saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are >pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people >vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) > >In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House >Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. >http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html > >Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. > >"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was >not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to >get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," >said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign >manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them >write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an >interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it >as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." > >Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama >and the White House have. They don't like people >not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. > >I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during >his Presidency. People forget that Journalists are supposed >to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. > >However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I >always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and >JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! > >Cheers, >Me > >At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >>Nicholas: >> >>To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, >>which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the >>administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. >>It looks foolish. >>"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >>It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's >>trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I >>think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie >>House, if things aren't perfect yet. >>That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but >>that would probably bore you to death. ; ) >> >>Cheers, >> >>k.w. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>To: gathering at misera.net >>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>Friends in the US, >>Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an >>anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>Thanks >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? >>Learn more. >>---------- >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 20 18:14:57 2009 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <0KRT00F0SRLN3440@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Most of the people who have forgotten that are journalists. ? --- On Tue, 20/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 18:24:26 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:24:26 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> Afraid I have to take exception to that. I am a journalist (not working in that exact capacity right now, however), and always tried my best to report both sides fairly and ask tough, but legitimate, questions to political figures. Now, obviously, the "star news media" is another matter. I understand your point, at the same time. Cheers, Karen W. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Harper To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Most of the people who have forgotten that are journalists. --- On Tue, 20/10/09, The Exorcist wrote: People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Tue Oct 20 18:28:22 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:28:22 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: <0KRU00A2A3RBSXG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >My dear Exo: > > >"I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during >his Presidency... " > >Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term >(drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- >until the incompetence could no longer be excused. > >(And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in >office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. >And that's it.) > >I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time >with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and >foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't >need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I >actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- >unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) > >Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should >be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating >sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to >legitimate, responsible criticism. > >For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 >(I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). >However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance >to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also >gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. >And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a >truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, >the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't >lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. > >Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and >unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, >president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, >it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his >administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama >administration, should things turn out badly for them. > >Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it >should on any president and his/her administration -- but please >don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to >poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. >And we're not buying it anymore. > >Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. > >Respectfully, > > >K. Weil >California, USA > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: The Exorcist >To: A list about all things Killing >Joke (the band!) >Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >Dear Nicholas, > >This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't >supposed to be pro or anti. >They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > >(saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are >pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people >vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) > >In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House >Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. >http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html > >Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. > >"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was >not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to >get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," >said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign >manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them >write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an >interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it >as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." > >Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama >and the White House have. They don't like people >not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. > >People forget that Journalists are supposed >to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. > >However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I >always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and >JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! > >Cheers, >Me > >At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >>Nicholas: >> >>To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, >>which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the >>administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. >>It looks foolish. >>"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >>It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's >>trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I >>think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie >>House, if things aren't perfect yet. >>That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but >>that would probably bore you to death. ; ) >> >>Cheers, >> >>k.w. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>To: gathering at misera.net >>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>Friends in the US, >>Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an >>anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>Thanks >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? >>Learn more. >> >> >>---------- >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vassifer at earthlink.net Tue Oct 20 18:47:12 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:47:12 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <0KRU00HEF2SDYVR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <26169349.1256066733133.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0KRU00HEF2SDYVR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <09DA2FA0-1843-42C1-99A1-34822E2006C3@earthlink.net> I'd say MSNBC certainly leans to the left (which is why I watch them). CNN are barely relevant anymore, but they do have their share of conservative douchebags as well (hello, Lou Dobbs). But FOX isn't news. It's agit-tainment. Alex in NYC On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:07 PM, The Exorcist wrote: > Just wondering, would you say that NBC, CNN etc.... are pro Obama? > > > At 03:25 PM 10/20/2009, Alex Smith wrote: > >> FOX is inarguably anti-Obama. To suggest otherwise is laughably >> naive. >> >> >> >> Alex in NYC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: The Exorcist >> Sent: Oct 20, 2009 2:29 PM >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >> >> Dear Nicholas, >> >> This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't >> supposed to be pro or anti. >> They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. >> >> (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro- >> Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people >> vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) >> >> In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House >> Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. >> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html >> >> Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. >> >> "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was >> not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us >> to get our message out without having to actually talk to >> reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief >> campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and >> made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing >> an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled >> it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." >> >> Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that >> Obama and the White House have. They don't like people >> not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. >> >> I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during >> his Presidency. People forget that Journalists are supposed >> to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. >> >> However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. >> I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and >> JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! >> >> Cheers, >> Me >> >> At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >>> Nicholas: >>> >>> To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, >>> which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the >>> administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. >>> It looks foolish. >>> "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >>> It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's >>> trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I >>> think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie >>> House, if things aren't perfect yet. >>> That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, >>> but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> k.w. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>> To: gathering at misera.net >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>> Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>> Friends in the US, >>> Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an >>> anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>> Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>> Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 19:20:22 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:20:22 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <2A3C077E5BCC4DF99743427F2816632B@Spazmatron> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think we actually have "NEWS" in this country, or journalists ... It's all turned into ratings and entertainment. It's a sad day when the most respectable journalist is John Stewart or Colbert (and don't get me wrong, they're great!) What now passes for "news" more like political opinion/propaganda, there's no actual coverage of facts... Has anyone in the "news" media read the health care bills or reported anything on them? ......bread and circuses > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of iPat > Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 8:17 AM > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > > in principle you are right, but Fox is owned by Murdoch who has a big > history and rejoices in influencing who wields power. > The journalists may be independent, but they wont get hired at Fox. > > Thats not saying I'm on the other side either. Its a simple observation from > a long history of watching Murdoch > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM, The Exorcist > wrote: > > Dear Nicholas, > > > > This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 19:45:39 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:45:39 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> <0KRU00A2A3RBSXG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <662B95E2568E40F4A62D087894703200@edweil> Exo: I'll respond more later -- but first off: Iraq and Katrina are NOT chump change compared to Obama. You know that. k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: "I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused. (And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. Respectfully, K. Weil California, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Nicholas: To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Tue Oct 20 19:48:03 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:48:03 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> <0KRU00A2A3RBSXG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Oh, and Bush took the costs for Iraq off the books, so if you think the bill for health care is bad ... k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: "I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused. (And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. Respectfully, K. Weil California, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Nicholas: To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 20 20:34:42 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 In-Reply-To: <000301ca5153$1beeca10$53cc5e30$@com> References: <0KRS00JUZW6HA750@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000301ca5153$1beeca10$53cc5e30$@com> Message-ID: <156080.64863.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That is a very nice song. Never thought Ministry had it in them, that style of song, i mean. (it is still downloadable as of today tue. 10/20,?5:30p.m. Pacific Time - 0800 Zulu/GMT) On a lighter note, here's a fun holiday season?video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MwdEzYkT8c ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Paul Gorman [Home] To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 12:01:11 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 For any that may have missed the streamhttp://www.2shared.com/file/8550154/fbf235e8/Its_Always_Christmas_Time_-_Ministry.html RIP Paul dub not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... Love and Light to you all _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 20 22:28:27 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:28:27 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> Message-ID: <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> Karen Weil wrote: Afraid I have to take exception to that. I am a journalist (not working in that exact capacity right now, however), and always tried my best to report both sides fairly and ask tough, but legitimate, questions to political figures. Now, obviously, the "star news media" is another matter. I understand your point, at the same time. ++++++++ This ties in to a small measure to this thread's topic and what's wrong with American "news" reporting these days. No doubt some of you heard about the "fake" press conference called today by a guy alleging to be a representative of the US Chamber of Commerce that duped a fair number of major media/news outlets. Here's unedited video of that event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYGcIhNGSIY What's almost as disturbing as the prank itself is the utter ignorance of a few of the reporters in that room who actually interrupt the real CoC rep Eric Wohlschlegel wanting to continue to interview the (obviously flustered and unconvincing) fake including one reporter who actually says she "has a deadline to meet." rather amusingly, most if not all news reports on the evening news as well as CNN's website edit out the bit where a few reporters argue with Wohlschlegel so as not to make *any* reporters look like incompetent dupes. T.B. From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Tue Oct 20 22:49:31 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:49:31 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: <0KRU00AO2FUKSXM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. Mencken are gone. At 10:28 PM 10/20/2009, The Mighty TB wrote: >Karen Weil wrote: > >Afraid I have to take exception to that. I am a journalist (not >working in that exact capacity right now, however), and always tried >my best to report both sides fairly and ask tough, but legitimate, >questions to political figures. >Now, obviously, the "star news media" is another matter. I >understand your point, at the same time. > >++++++++ > >This ties in to a small measure to this thread's topic and what's >wrong with American "news" reporting these days. > >No doubt some of you heard about the "fake" press conference called >today by a guy alleging to be a representative of the US Chamber of >Commerce that duped a fair number of major media/news >outlets. Here's unedited video of that event: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYGcIhNGSIY > >What's almost as disturbing as the prank itself is the utter >ignorance of a few of the reporters in that room who actually >interrupt the real CoC rep Eric Wohlschlegel wanting to continue to >interview the (obviously flustered and unconvincing) fake including >one reporter who actually says she "has a deadline to meet." rather >amusingly, most if not all news reports on the evening news as well >as CNN's website edit out the bit where a few reporters argue with >Wohlschlegel so as not to make *any* reporters look like incompetent dupes. > >T.B. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lyman.corey at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 02:27:42 2009 From: lyman.corey at gmail.com (Corey Lyman) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:27:42 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <1646350c0910201417x27141d3drcc9f330bc64e3caa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11ce46ea0910202327q2e02a66an2f7c2456a73c60ad@mail.gmail.com> Oh yeah...and and how about those Yankees and those Angels... On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, iPat wrote: > in principle you are right, but Fox is owned by Murdoch who has a big > history and rejoices in influencing who wields power. > The journalists may be independent, but they wont get hired at Fox. > > Thats not saying I'm on the other side either. Its a simple > observation from a long history of watching Murdoch > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM, The Exorcist > wrote: > > Dear Nicholas, > > > > This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed > to > > be pro or anti. > > They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > > > > (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. > > Personally, I'd rather have people > > vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) > > > -- > iPat > Ascendo tuum - Up yours > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 18:52:07 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <09DA2FA0-1843-42C1-99A1-34822E2006C3@earthlink.net> References: <26169349.1256066733133.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0KRU00HEF2SDYVR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <09DA2FA0-1843-42C1-99A1-34822E2006C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <60175.63328.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?? Earlier this year a couple of articles came out?about cable news and its sourcing and found Fox to be far right, MSNBC to be?even further left on the meter,?and CNN?holding somewhat in the middle?between the?two tilting and somewhat left-ish.? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Alexander Smith To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 3:47:12 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox I'd say MSNBC certainly leans to the left (which is why I watch them). CNN are barely relevant anymore, but they do have their share of conservative douchebags as well (hello, Lou Dobbs).? But FOX isn't news. It's agit-tainment. Alex in NYC On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:07 PM, The Exorcist wrote: Just wondering, would you say that NBC, CNN etc.... are pro Obama? > > >At 03:25 PM 10/20/2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > >FOX is inarguably anti-Obama. To suggest otherwise is laughably naive. >> >>? >> >>Alex in NYC >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: The Exorcist >> >>Sent: Oct 20, 2009 2:29 PM >> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >> >>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >> >> >>Dear Nicholas, >> >> >>This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. >> >>They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. >> >> >>(saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people >> >>vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) >> >> >>In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. >> >>http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html >> >> >>Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. >> >> >>"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe.? "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter.? So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." >> >> >>Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people >> >>not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. >> >> >>I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency. People forget that Journalists are supposed >> >>to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. >> >> >>However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and >> >>JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>Me >> >> >>At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >> >>Nicholas: >>> >>>? >>> >>>To answer your questions:? Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. >>> >>>"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >>> >>>It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. >>> >>>That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death.? ; ) >>> >>>? >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>? >>> >>>k.w. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>>To: gathering at misera.net >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>>Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>>Friends in the US, >>>Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>>Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>>Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 18:58:12 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:58:12 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <60175.63328.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <26169349.1256066733133.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0KRU00HEF2SDYVR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: So, all a bunch of over-subjective BS then. Did the articles mention that journalism (particularly the news) should be objective, or at least inter-subjective? You know, fair and balanced? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:52:07 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Earlier this year a couple of articles came out about cable news and its sourcing and found Fox to be far right, MSNBC to be even further left on the meter, and CNN holding somewhat in the middle between the two tilting and somewhat left-ish. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 20:01:08 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <0KRU00A2A3RBSXG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> <0KRU00A2A3RBSXG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <897951.16776.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists.? ?? Technically (because 'in spirit' they definitely don't seem it)... *winces*...*sighs*... they are, according?to the definitions of both?"journalist," and "journalism." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 3:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: >? >? >"I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " >? >Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?)? and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused.? >? >(And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) >? >I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) >? >Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. >? >For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). >However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. >And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. >? >Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. >? >Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie."? That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. >? >Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. >? >Respectfully, >? >? >K. Weil >California, USA >? >? >? >? >----- Original Message ----- > >From: The Exorcist > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > >Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM > >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > > >Dear Nicholas, > > >This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. > >They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > > >(saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people > >vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) > > >In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. > >http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html > > >Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. > > >"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe.? "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter.? So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." > > >Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people > >not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. > > >People forget that Journalists are supposed > >to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. > > >However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and > >JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! > > >Cheers, > >Me > > >At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: > >Nicholas: >> >>? >> >>To answer your questions:? Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. >> >>"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >> >>It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. >> >>That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death.? ; ) >> >>? >> >>Cheers, >> >>? >> >>k.w. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>To: gathering at misera.net >>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>Friends in the US, >>Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>Thanks >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 21:05:32 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:05:32 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <897951.16776.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: 'Main Entry: jour?nal?ism Pronunciation: \?j?r-n?-?li-z?m\Function: noun Date: 1828 1 a : the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b : the public press c : an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium 2 a : writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b : writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c : writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest' Not Journalists. Unless News Media now includes myths and lies as fact?(I don't agree with 2c, more likely to be written by a PR agent, propagandist or starfucker) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. Technically (because 'in spirit' they definitely don't seem it)... *winces*... *sighs*... they are, according to the definitions of both "journalist," and "journalism." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 3:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: "I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused. (And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. Respectfully, K. Weil California, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Nicholas: To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? Thanks Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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It's sort >like the blogosphere and wiki. >Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people >like H. L. Mencken are gone. > >-- >Karl Hunt >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. Mencken are gone. -- Karl Hunt _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Thu Oct 22 08:15:13 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:15:13 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <13886D0540174AADBB26B908DA56B3FA@Spazmatron> References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> <0KRU00AO2FUKSXM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <82e68ae70910210014o23d431c1md614c7a60ab4e7d7@mail.gmail.com> <0KRW005V7FONS2U0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <13886D0540174AADBB26B908DA56B3FA@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <0KRX004200PEDLN0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things >such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. > >Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >The timing of this couldn't be better. >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo > >Enjoy. :) > >At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: >>id say its rife: >>http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html >> >>On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist >>< >>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: >>Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort >>like the blogosphere and wiki. >>Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people >>like H. L. Mencken are gone. >> >>-- >>Karl Hunt >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 22 08:27:37 2009 From: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk (Darren A. Peace) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:27:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <0KRX004200PEDLN0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> <0KRU00AO2FUKSXM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <82e68ae70910210014o23d431c1md614c7a60ab4e7d7@mail.gmail.com> <0KRW005V7FONS2U0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <13886D0540174AADBB26B908DA56B3FA@Spazmatron> <0KRX004200PEDLN0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <5A8FCC4F-49DB-45DE-B412-7FF9D7F51D10@suspiria.demon.co.uk> Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist wrote: > HAWT! :) > > At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >> Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things >> such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. >> >> Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) >> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering- >> bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >> Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >> >> The timing of this couldn't be better. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo >> >> Enjoy. :) >> >> At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: >>> id say its rife: >>> http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >>> > wrote: >>> Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Thu Oct 22 10:36:24 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:36:24 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <5A8FCC4F-49DB-45DE-B412-7FF9D7F51D10@suspiria.demon.co.uk> References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil> <86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC> <0KRU00AO2FUKSXM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <82e68ae70910210014o23d431c1md614c7a60ab4e7d7@mail.gmail.com> <0KRW005V7FONS2U0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <13886D0540174AADBB26B908DA56B3FA@Spazmatron> <0KRX004200PEDLN0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <5A8FCC4F-49DB-45DE-B412-7FF9D7F51D10@suspiria.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <0KRX004TZ78PIY10@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> If you can explain that one to me I'll let you know if there is. :) At 08:27 AM 10/22/2009, Darren A. Peace wrote: >Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? > >Darren >Hungerford, UK > >On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist ><killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> >wrote: > >>HAWT! :) >> >>At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>>Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important >>>things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. >>> >>>Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) >>> >>> >>>---------- >>>From: >>>gathering-bounces at misera.net >>>[ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >>>Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>> >>>The timing of this couldn't be better. >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo >>> >>>Enjoy. :) >>> >>>At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: >>>>id say its rife: >>>>http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html >>>> >>>>On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < >>>>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> >>>>wrote: >>>>Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's >>>>sort like the blogosphere and wiki. >>>>Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people >>>>like H. L. Mencken are gone. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Karl Hunt >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Gathering mailing list >>>>Gathering at misera.net >>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Gathering mailing list >>>Gathering at misera.net >>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peace wrote: Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com > wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. 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Also, wasn't Howe more associated with the Switchmaster and the 175? ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: 22 October 2009 15:05 To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: [kj] ot - about the golden harp for sale Wasn't aware of "carol" perkins recording at sun records ;] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-1953-Gibson-ES-295-All-Gold-Archtop-Guitar_W0 QQitemZ230388658941QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV? hash=item35a43bf2fd This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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At 10:41 AM 10/22/2009, fluw wrote: >Bingo wings are the flabby flaps on the back of the arms of the over >weight out of shape bingo player > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:36 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >If you can explain that one to me I'll let you know if there is. :) > >At 08:27 AM 10/22/2009, Darren A. Peace wrote: > >Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? > >Darren >Hungerford, UK > >On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist >< >killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: > > >HAWT! :) > >At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: > >Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things >such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. > >Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) > > >---------- >From: >gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >The timing of this couldn't be better. >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo > >Enjoy. :) > >At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: > >id say its rife: >http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html > >On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < >killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> >wrote: >Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort >like the blogosphere and wiki. >Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people >like H. L. 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URL: From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk Thu Oct 22 10:36:16 2009 From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:36:16 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox References: <423406.8122.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><71BB25C6FC31488CA2BE5BF308D8FA02@edweil><86817BC8330845188BF083D18319D615@Bell2007PC><0KRU00AO2FUKSXM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><82e68ae70910210014o23d431c1md614c7a60ab4e7d7@mail.gmail.com><0KRW005V7FONS2U0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><13886D0540174AADBB26B908DA56B3FA@Spazmatron><0KRX004200PEDLN0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <5A8FCC4F-49DB-45DE-B412-7FF9D7F51D10@suspiria.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: >Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? I think they missed that one off the list, more fool them I say ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace Sent: 22 October 2009 13:28 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. 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Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. 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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. 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Peace >To: A list about all things Killing >Joke (the band!) >Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:27 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > >Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? > >Darren >Hungerford, UK > >On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist ><killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> >wrote: > >>HAWT! :) >> >>At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>>Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important >>>things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. >>> >>>Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) >>> >>> >>>---------- >>>From: >>>gathering-bounces at misera.net >>>[ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >>>Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>> >>>The timing of this couldn't be better. >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo >>> >>>Enjoy. :) >>> >>>At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: >>>>id say its rife: >>>>http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html >>>> >>>>On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < >>>>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> >>>>wrote: >>>>Yeap I seen it today. 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At 01:14 PM 10/22/2009, Karen Weil wrote: No. The prize is for badmitton. ; ) k.w. the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren A. Peace To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. 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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Well, as the Black Flag song goes, "I need some more!" k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox You just want "gimme" trophies. So so naughty! At 01:14 PM 10/22/2009, Karen Weil wrote: No. The prize is for badmitton. ; ) k.w. the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren A. Peace To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. 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SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Gorman [Laptop] To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Speaking of Black Flag, funny to see Henry Rollins, play the part of a white power skinhead in new series of Sons of Anarchy, good show well worth a watch in my opinion. dub From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: 22 October 2009 7:22 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Well, as the Black Flag song goes, "I need some more!" k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox You just want "gimme" trophies. So so naughty! At 01:14 PM 10/22/2009, Karen Weil wrote: No. The prize is for badmitton. ; ) k.w. the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren A. Peace To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. 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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox If you can explain that one to me I'll let you know if there is. :) At 08:27 AM 10/22/2009, Darren A. Peace wrote: Is there a Nobel Prize for bingo-winged hula-hooping? Darren Hungerford, UK On 22 Oct 2009, at 13:15, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com > wrote: HAWT! :) At 04:16 AM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: Please stop digressing, we should be talking about important things such as Michelle Obama's arm workout, hair and wardrobe. Hammer curls and pressdowns, FUCK YEAH! ;) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:41 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox The timing of this couldn't be better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZkDMrPrZHo Enjoy. :) At 03:14 AM 10/21/2009, karl hunt wrote: id say its rife: http://www.simonpirani.com/bbc.html On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:49 AM, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote: Yeap I seen it today. No fact checking going on anymore. It's sort like the blogosphere and wiki. Everything is just repeated and becomes fact. The days of people like H. L. 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Also, wasn't Howe more associated with the Switchmaster and the 175? _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluw Sent: 22 October 2009 15:05 To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: [kj] ot - about the golden harp for sale Wasn't aware of "carol" perkins recording at sun records ;] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-1953-Gibson-ES-295-All-Gold-Archtop-Guitar_W0QQit emZ230388658941QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=ite m35a43bf2fd This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. 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Oliver Sheppard) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:00:36 -0500 Subject: [kj] TSOL-meets-Killing Joke Message-ID: <4AE0B9E4.8090602@sbcglobal.net> Forgot if I plugged this band before: http://www.myspace.com/ausweis AUSWEIS, 80s punk from France, kind of like that country's TSOL, I guess, but some definite Killing Joke in there - as they say themselves at their page. :) -Oliver From mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk Thu Oct 22 17:01:59 2009 From: mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk (Mike Cooper) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:01:59 +0100 Subject: [kj] ES-295 up on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012801ca535a$e5f9b5f0$b1ed21d0$@fsnet.co.uk> Surely he wouldn?t have a pink lined guitar case though ? way too hard! Honestly this made me check my lottery ticket and not sure why as I can hardly play! Won a tenner though pleased with that ? only ?3,890 to go From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil Sent: 22 October 2009 16:38 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] ES-295 up on Ebay Is Geordie out of Juice money? ;) _____ From: powens at gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:03:53 +0100 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] ES-295 up on Ebay Don't all rush at once...... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-1953-Gibson-ES-295-All-Gold-Archtop-Guitar_W0QQit emZ230388658941QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?h surelyash=item35a43bf2fd john-paul _____ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.barry at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 22 17:25:19 2009 From: christophe.barry at wanadoo.fr (Christophe BARRY) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:25:19 +0200 Subject: [kj] to wise-jon Message-ID: <005d01ca535e$281a1670$784e4350$@barry@wanadoo.fr> Jon Tell us, who, so wise in ways of science, where the live gig, in the disc #2 of 'Inside Extremities' did been taken? Jaz spoke some words of French in it. Any idea? Any one ? 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 8:38:10 AM Subject: Re: [kj] ES-295 up on Ebay Is Geordie out of Juice money? ;) ? ________________________________ From: powens at gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:03:53 +0100 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] ES-295 up on Ebay Don't all rush at once...... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-1953-Gibson-ES-295-All-Gold-Archtop-Guitar_W0QQitemZ230388658941QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item35a43bf2fd john-paul ________________________________ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _____ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: christophe.barry at wanadoo.fr To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:25:19 +0200 Subject: [kj] to wise-jon Jon Tell us, who, so wise in ways of science, where the live gig, in the disc #2 of ?Inside Extremities? did been taken? Jaz spoke some words of French in it. Any idea? Any one ? Christophe _________________________________________________________________ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 22 18:34:22 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: <775295.7824.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > ..Not Journalists. Unless.... (hey, I use?Merriams too!) Un[for us]/fortunately, there's nothing in that definition concerning quality or integrity?- which is why any moron who can master?the?mechanics of it can get away with getting credetialled as a journalist. Sort of like how Dr. "Joey" Mengele was technically a doctor,?those fuckers psycho-logists monitoring the Guantanamo tortures are technically psychologists. ? I just emphasize the 'tone' of?that definition in order to realign zeh peeple's?focus back on the real issues:?what we're willing (desirous?)?to let pass as "journalism," and, that the real problem is the profession itself, that it should change in order to filter out such Beckian-Dobbsian crap. (God bless FAIR.orgfor the sake of the few?real journalists left.) ?So hey! how 'bout that balloon kid, huh? ? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 6:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox 'Main Entry: jour?nal?ism Pronunciation: \?j?r-n?-?li-z?m\ Function: noun Date: 1828 1 a : the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b : the public press c : an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium 2 a : writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b : writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c : writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest' Not Journalists. Unless News Media now includes myths and lies as fact? (I don't agree with 2c, more likely to be written by a PR agent, propagandist or starfucker) ________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists.? ?? Technically (because 'in spirit' they definitely don't seem it)... *winces*...*sighs*... they are, according?to the definitions of both?"journalist," and "journalism." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 3:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: >? >? >"I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " >? >Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?)? and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused.? >? >(And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) >? >I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) >? >Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. >? >For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). >However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. >And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. >? >Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. >? >Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie."? That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. >? >Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. >? >Respectfully, >? >? >K. Weil >California, USA >? >? >? >? >----- Original Message ----- > >From: The Exorcist > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > >Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM > >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > > >Dear Nicholas, > > >This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. > >They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. > > >(saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people > >vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) > > >In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. > >http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html > > >Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. > > >"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe.? "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter.? So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." > > >Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people > >not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. > > >People forget that Journalists are supposed > >to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. > > >However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and > >JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! > > >Cheers, > >Me > > >At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: > >Nicholas: >> >>? >> >>To answer your questions:? Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. >> >>"Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. >> >>It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. >> >>That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death.? ; ) >> >>? >> >>Cheers, >> >>? >> >>k.w. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: nicholas fitzpatrick >>To: gathering at misera.net >>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM >>Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox >>Friends in the US, >>Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? >>Also, how's he going down generally with the Fundie Christians? >>Is Obama kicking ass or has he become just another politician yet? >>Thanks >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>Did you know you can get Messenger on your mobile? 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URL: From gasw30 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 22 19:16:24 2009 From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:16:24 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <775295.7824.qm@web110217.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: This is the first time in ten years I've created a Gathering thread that's had more than three responses. I was on holiday in the US on election night, which was cool, staying in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont. I was suprised in a positive way by the TV news in the US. I had been led to believe that US news is very parochial - what with only 15 Americans holding passports and 55% of them thinking China is a small district of Manhattan (joke guys, ok, just a joke) -but I thought the news reporting was as good as we get in the UK. There seemed to be a lot of international coverage, and in terms of Iraq/Afghanastan some coverage was given to non-US troops. Probably this should't be surprising but it was. I binged on a lot of US TV. If anything annoyed me about it, it was that in almost every programme there seemed to be members of the public standing around shouting "boo-ya" a lot and waving at the cameras. IN terms of Fox being allegedly anti-Obama, what about comdians that appear on the likes of chat shows, like SNL (though I don't know if that's Fox). Bush gave them loads of material, but I imagine these comedians are pretty liberal East/West coasters who would back Obama. Do they rip the shit out of Obama too, or have they had to find other material? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:34:22 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > ..Not Journalists. Unless.... (hey, I use Merriams too!) Un[for us]/fortunately, there's nothing in that definition concerning quality or integrity - which is why any moron who can master the mechanics of it can get away with getting credetialled as a journalist. Sort of like how Dr. "Joey" Mengele was technically a doctor, those fuckers psycho-logists monitoring the Guantanamo tortures are technically psychologists. I just emphasize the 'tone' of that definition in order to realign zeh peeple's focus back on the real issues: what we're willing (desirous?) to let pass as "journalism," and, that the real problem is the profession itself, that it should change in order to filter out such Beckian-Dobbsian crap. (God bless FAIR.org for the sake of the few real journalists left.) So hey! how 'bout that balloon kid, huh? From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 6:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox 'Main Entry: jour?nal?ism Pronunciation: \?j?r-n?-?li-z?m\ Function: noun Date: 1828 1 a : the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b : the public press c : an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium 2 a : writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b : writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c : writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest' Not Journalists. Unless News Media now includes myths and lies as fact? (I don't agree with 2c, more likely to be written by a PR agent, propagandist or starfucker) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. Technically (because 'in spirit' they definitely don't seem it)... *winces*... *sighs*... they are, according to the definitions of both "journalist," and "journalism." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 3:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Karen... You always make me work so hard... :( Lemme see what I can prattle off before I head out to Soccer. (I mean Football!) His Presidency was marred from the get-go with the dispute of the legitimacy of his win. The only quiet time was during 9-11 and that's due to other greater concerns. I'm not saying he did a good or bad job. it's got nothing to do with the thread. I think it was Nixon's voice and accent that made him sound good. :) (And Futurama!) Re: Obama and failure. Bush's changes and policies were chump change compared to Obama. The printing of $$$ like it's cupcakes, the massive spending of money that doesn't exist, the forcing of individual payment of health care for everyone (I thought I was able to make decisions like that... not the Gov't). Why should that go uncontested? If one considers that type of policy as wreckless they shouldn't opine on it? (Just like the criticism of many when Bush passed that massive bail-out) I find it ok with the media going after Bush. The best reporters were always hated by the politicians. Obama getting a pass on everything and is never being challenged by the media which makes FOX reporting on his policies seem so out of place. When you have one group that is not in lock-step with you they're considered EVIL. Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists. They are Opinionators/Editorials. They are not a 10th of FOX. They are equivalent of the NYT editorialists who state their personal opinions on a daily basis. Putting the Journalists and Editorialists in the same grouping is not a good idea and a slap in the face to every respectable Journalist out there. Now off to get my ass kicked in socc... errr Football! :) At 02:58 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: My dear Exo: "I wonder if you'd consider all the media Anti-Bush as well during his Presidency... " Puh-leeze ... Bush mostly got a pass for most of his first term (drumbeats for the Iraq War, anyone?) and part of his second -- until the incompetence could no longer be excused. (And if you're going to say Bush did a really good job while in office, that's a bridge too far. He did a few things well -- a few. And that's it.) I agree with you that the Obama admin. should not waste its time with Fox -- it's not worth it. The administration looks petty and foolish -- and yes, to a certain degree, Nixonian -- and we don't need a repeat of that. (Oh, this may come as a shock to you but I actually think, Watergate aside, Nixon wasn't a bad president -- unfortunately, his paranoia got the best of him.) Is the Obama Admin. making mistakes? Indeed, it is. And those should be called out, and fairly and accurately reported. And bleating sheep like Hannity, Beck, etc. do NOT fit the bill when it comes to legitimate, responsible criticism. For the record, I wasn't thrilled when Bush came into office in 2001 (I thought his father did a pretty good job, all things being equal). However, I was willing to be fair-minded and give Bush II a chance to succeed, even if I didn't agree with everything he did. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, for a few years. And I never, ever, rooted for him to fail -- because when you have a truly unsuitable person at the helm -- a la Bush II or Jimmy Carter, the country starts to suffer, in one way or the other. So, don't lump me in with the "Bush-bashers," please. Yes, some of the criticism directeed at Bush was ludicrous and unfair. But he had every opportunity to be a good, even great, president -- he failed miserably. And it's not the "liberals" fault, it's not the media's fault. The blame lies with the 43rd and his administration alone. Just as it will be for the Obama administration, should things turn out badly for them. Should the press be tough on Obama? Damn right it should, as it should on any president and his/her administration -- but please don't fall on the predictable "the evil wibrul press was so mean to poor widdle Georgie." That's the standard lazy, conservative line. And we're not buying it anymore. Appreciate your thoughts on this matter, and truly wish you a good day. Respectfully, K. Weil California, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Dear Nicholas, This has nothing to do with being Anti-Obama. Journalists aren't supposed to be pro or anti. They're supposed to report without having thrills up their legs. (saying FOX is anti-obama is akin to saying the others are pro-Obama. Personally, I'd rather have people vetting a politician than kissing his ass.) In regards to Obama and the media. Well, I'll let White House Communications Director Anita Dunn speak. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09102002.html Here's a quick quote... And there is video there as well. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to media packages by Obama's chief campaign manager David Plouffe. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said, as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much - we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," she said." Well, I hope that helps point out the great consternation that Obama and the White House have. They don't like people not repeating their official spoon-fed tripe. People forget that Journalists are supposed to trust no one, question, prod, poke and find out what is going on. However, it is nice to see that Obama is seeking to emulate Nixon. I always thought he liked being associated with Lincoln and JFK. Who knew he was a Nixon fan! Cheers, Me At 01:15 PM 10/20/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Nicholas: To answer your questions: Yes, Fox has taken a strong anti-Obama, which was totally expected and boring on their part. And the administration is wasting its time in a catfight with the network. It looks foolish. "Fundie Christians" do not support Obama -- never have, never will. It's too early to tell whether he will be a good president. He's trying, but there are simply too many obstacles in the road. I think Americans tend to be impatient with whomever is in the Whtie House, if things aren't perfect yet. That's the short summary. I could go into a longer explanation, but that would probably bore you to death. ; ) Cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox Friends in the US, Is it the case that Fox (or some other major channel) has taken an anti-Obama line? How's that going down in the US? 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(I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? _________________________________________________________________ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 22 20:13:17 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:13:17 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: <36638D929D5F4F8588C256588A3F6336@Bell2007PC> nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: This is the first time in ten years I've created a Gathering thread that's had more than three responses. I was on holiday in the US on election night, which was cool, staying in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont. I was suprised in a positive way by the TV news in the US. I had been led to believe that US news is very parochial - what with only 15 Americans holding passports and 55% of them thinking China is a small district of Manhattan (joke guys, ok, just a joke) -but I thought the news reporting was as good as we get in the UK. There seemed to be a lot of international coverage, and in terms of Iraq/Afghanastan some coverage was given to non-US troops. Probably this should't be surprising but it was. I binged on a lot of US TV. If anything annoyed me about it, it was that in almost every programme there seemed to be members of the public standing around shouting "boo-ya" a lot and waving at the cameras. IN terms of Fox being allegedly anti-Obama, what about comdians that appear on the likes of chat shows, like SNL (though I don't know if that's Fox). Bush gave them loads of material, but I imagine these comedians are pretty liberal East/West coasters who would back Obama. Do they rip the shit out of Obama too, or have they had to find other material? +++++++++++ I think the post-election afterglow is starting to wear off and a few comedians and network comedy shows like Saturday Night Live are taking tentative, soft jabs at Obama but nothing like what any other President in recent memory (not just Bush jr) has endured. I think there's a healthy amount of anti-discrimination at work - no tv show or celebrity wants to really mock the President for "comedic value" and risk being labeled racist. The level of political correctness prevalent in our society basically shields most minorities from ridicule. I believe people are starting to realize Obama wasn't and really can't be the savior many on the Left thought he'd be and are growing impatient with the slow pace he's moving on key issues. Unemployment is still a major problem nationwide, the twin wars seem to be on autopilot and the gap between the wealthy and the middle class is dramatically wider while the gap between the middle class and truly poor is shrinking. IMO, the media and most of the American people have taken a complete 180% turn from the past 8 years of viciously and openly loathing and attacking the previous administration to fawning blind admiration for the current one. There is no middle ground anymore. T.B. From folk.devil at hotmail.com Thu Oct 22 20:33:38 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:33:38 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you remember the 80s? From: gasw30 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:22:28 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeezus I might vote Tory. > > (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). > > Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the > BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? > > > > > ------------------------------ > Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Thu Oct 22 21:20:11 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:20:11 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <36638D929D5F4F8588C256588A3F6336@Bell2007PC> References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: Too bad the level of political correctness doesn't sheild minorities from higher infant mortality than much of the 3rd world, much worse schools, housing, health care (even when things are equalized by income, class, education,etc. black Americans have higher rates of many dieases, probably due to stress), much higher rates of corrupt "subprime" mortgages, a fraction of the incomd of whites, 1/10 (yes, that's not a typo and it is a recent study) the overall net worth or wealth of whites, are more likely to live near toxic waste sites, have less access on average to healthy food, and are victims of crime at higher rates. Of corse, most of these problems hold down living conditions for whites as well--it's not like we're getting paid more b/c our boss loves his white employees... > From: planetary at socal.rr.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:13:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > > nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: > > This is the first time in ten years I've created a Gathering thread that's > had more than three responses. > > I was on holiday in the US on election night, which was cool, staying in a > hotel in Burlington, Vermont. I was suprised in a positive way by the TV > news in the US. I had been led to believe that US news is very parochial - > what with only 15 Americans holding passports and 55% of them thinking China > is a small district of Manhattan (joke guys, ok, just a joke) -but I thought > the news reporting was as good as we get in the UK. There seemed to be a lot > of international coverage, and in terms of Iraq/Afghanastan some coverage > was given to non-US troops. Probably this should't be surprising but it was. > > I binged on a lot of US TV. If anything annoyed me about it, it was that in > almost every programme there seemed to be members of the public standing > around shouting "boo-ya" a lot and waving at the cameras. > > IN terms of Fox being allegedly anti-Obama, what about comdians that appear > on the likes of chat shows, like SNL (though I don't know if that's Fox). > Bush gave them loads of material, but I imagine these comedians are pretty > liberal East/West coasters who would back Obama. Do they rip the shit out of > Obama too, or have they had to find other material? > > +++++++++++ > > I think the post-election afterglow is starting to wear off and a few > comedians and network comedy shows like Saturday Night Live are taking > tentative, soft jabs at Obama but nothing like what any other President in > recent memory (not just Bush jr) has endured. I think there's a healthy > amount of anti-discrimination at work - no tv show or celebrity wants to > really mock the President for "comedic value" and risk being labeled racist. > The level of political correctness prevalent in our society basically > shields most minorities from ridicule. I believe people are starting to > realize Obama wasn't and really can't be the savior many on the Left thought > he'd be and are growing impatient with the slow pace he's moving on key > issues. Unemployment is still a major problem nationwide, the twin wars > seem to be on autopilot and the gap between the wealthy and the middle class > is dramatically wider while the gap between the middle class and truly poor > is shrinking. > > IMO, the media and most of the American people have taken a complete 180% > turn from the past 8 years of viciously and openly loathing and attacking > the previous administration to fawning blind admiration for the current one. > There is no middle ground anymore. > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. 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URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 22 23:05:37 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:05:37 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: References: <0KRT006W4SOLFSD0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17A5CE879F724DC383810B4936B42021@edweil> Message-ID: GREG SLAWSON wrote: Too bad the level of political correctness doesn't sheild minorities from higher infant mortality than much of the 3rd world, much worse schools, housing, health care (even when things are equalized by income, class, education,etc. black Americans have higher rates of many dieases, probably due to stress), much higher rates of corrupt "subprime" mortgages, a fraction of the incomd of whites, 1/10 (yes, that's not a typo and it is a recent study) the overall net worth or wealth of whites, are more likely to live near toxic waste sites, have less access on average to healthy food, and are victims of crime at higher rates. Of corse, most of these problems hold down living conditions for whites as well--it's not like we're getting paid more b/c our boss loves his white employees... +++++++ Yeah, here in 2009, it's still all "whitey's" fault. T.B. From fluwdot at earthlink.net Thu Oct 22 23:22:59 2009 From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:22:59 -0500 Subject: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox In-Reply-To: <36638D929D5F4F8588C256588A3F6336@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: Yeah, but local news in Burlington is real different from news in less progressive towns, 90% of small town America. Burlington is like Amsterdam compared to most towns that size -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Mighty TB Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:13 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: This is the first time in ten years I've created a Gathering thread that's had more than three responses. I was on holiday in the US on election night, which was cool, staying in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont. I was suprised in a positive way by the TV news in the US. I had been led to believe that US news is very parochial - what with only 15 Americans holding passports and 55% of them thinking China is a small district of Manhattan (joke guys, ok, just a joke) -but I thought the news reporting was as good as we get in the UK. There seemed to be a lot of international coverage, and in terms of Iraq/Afghanastan some coverage was given to non-US troops. Probably this should't be surprising but it was. I binged on a lot of US TV. If anything annoyed me about it, it was that in almost every programme there seemed to be members of the public standing around shouting "boo-ya" a lot and waving at the cameras. IN terms of Fox being allegedly anti-Obama, what about comdians that appear on the likes of chat shows, like SNL (though I don't know if that's Fox). Bush gave them loads of material, but I imagine these comedians are pretty liberal East/West coasters who would back Obama. Do they rip the shit out of Obama too, or have they had to find other material? +++++++++++ I think the post-election afterglow is starting to wear off and a few comedians and network comedy shows like Saturday Night Live are taking tentative, soft jabs at Obama but nothing like what any other President in recent memory (not just Bush jr) has endured. I think there's a healthy amount of anti-discrimination at work - no tv show or celebrity wants to really mock the President for "comedic value" and risk being labeled racist. The level of political correctness prevalent in our society basically shields most minorities from ridicule. I believe people are starting to realize Obama wasn't and really can't be the savior many on the Left thought he'd be and are growing impatient with the slow pace he's moving on key issues. Unemployment is still a major problem nationwide, the twin wars seem to be on autopilot and the gap between the wealthy and the middle class is dramatically wider while the gap between the middle class and truly poor is shrinking. IMO, the media and most of the American people have taken a complete 180% turn from the past 8 years of viciously and openly loathing and attacking the previous administration to fawning blind admiration for the current one. There is no middle ground anymore. T.B. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PaulGorman at ireland.com Fri Oct 23 00:34:31 2009 From: PaulGorman at ireland.com (Paul Gorman [Home]) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:34:31 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <35ef91410910221749j4252c1c7pcfed2caa9f133081@mail.gmail.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <35ef91410910221749j4252c1c7pcfed2caa9f133081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601ca539a$1e04cae0$5a0e60a0$@com> I am glad the BBC did not pull the program, as was hoped by many who oppose the BNP and Griffin, but letting Nick Griffin, have his voice, only helped expose him for the fool he is, he is like any other politician, but his attempt to dodge questions made him look like the fool he is, only worse. His blatant lies when asked about holocaust denial and how he supposedly changed his mind, just went further to show what a despicable man he is and then he went further with his hatred for Muslims. When asked about his connection to David Dukes, he was prepared to admit he knows him, but that Dukes, was member of a non violent KKK ...lol unfuckingreal As I have said, I am all for free speech, but that does not mean one has the right to incite hatred of others based on colour or creed, Straw is another hypocrite (Iraq war etc.), but Baroness Warsi, came across best of them all. I understand that in regards to immigration, the government of the UK, has failed in a lot of ways and has left the way open for scum like Dick Griffin's BNP and now EDL (BNP rejects) too, to have a voice, but their voice is no different to the voices raised against Jews in the 1930s and just as in many ways Jew hatred became to be somewhat acceptable as the years went by (case of repeating the same lies often enough, I guess), the same is now happening in regards to some peoples hatred of Muslims, both are wrong and equally unacceptable and as was said by someone on the panel, it is the oldest from of lazy politics, find someone to blame rather than solve the problems and the BNP, is by no means the only political party guilty of that. On a lighter note, I see that the BNP may now soon have to open the membership of their party to non whites, so may well be the end for them, but guess we will just have to wait and see, although why anyone would want to join that particular party is beyond me ...lol Have a good weekend all, dub -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of phatseanio Sent: 23 October 2009 1:50 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time howdy...... that was'nt politics-that was farce!! sean. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: > > Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I > hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't > a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. > > Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going > soft on the BNP. 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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time I am glad the BBC did not pull the program, as was hoped by many who oppose the BNP and Griffin, but letting Nick Griffin, have his voice, only helped expose him for the fool he is, he is like any other politician, but his attempt to dodge questions made him look like the fool he is, only worse. His blatant lies when asked about holocaust denial and how he supposedly changed his mind, just went further to show what a despicable man he is and then he went further with his hatred for Muslims. When asked about his connection to David Dukes, he was prepared to admit he knows him, but that Dukes, was member of a non violent KKK ...lol unfuckingreal As I have said, I am all for free speech, but that does not mean one has the right to incite hatred of others based on colour or creed, Straw is another hypocrite (Iraq war etc.), but Baroness Warsi, came across best of them all. I understand that in regards to immigration, the government of the UK, has failed in a lot of ways and has left the way open for scum like Dick Griffin's BNP and now EDL (BNP rejects) too, to have a voice, but their voice is no different to the voices raised against Jews in the 1930s and just as in many ways Jew hatred became to be somewhat acceptable as the years went by (case of repeating the same lies often enough, I guess), the same is now happening in regards to some peoples hatred of Muslims, both are wrong and equally unacceptable and as was said by someone on the panel, it is the oldest from of lazy politics, find someone to blame rather than solve the problems and the BNP, is by no means the only political party guilty of that. On a lighter note, I see that the BNP may now soon have to open the membership of their party to non whites, so may well be the end for them, but guess we will just have to wait and see, although why anyone would want to join that particular party is beyond me ...lol Have a good weekend all, dub -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of phatseanio Sent: 23 October 2009 1:50 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time howdy...... that was'nt politics-that was farce!! sean. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: > > Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I > hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't > a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. > > Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going > soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that > Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. > > (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). > > Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to > the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? > > > > > ------------------------------ > Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn > more. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > From sneakypete at uwclub.net Fri Oct 23 02:51:01 2009 From: sneakypete at uwclub.net (Peter Moltesen) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:51:01 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091023071725.7C647105C6@mailwash5.pair.com> I watched it with great interest I have no problem with the Beeb's decision to allow Nick Griffin on the panel Freedom of speech and all that What are people scared of ? Surely its better to let people like that have their say and let themselves be shown in their true light through (hopefully) reasoned debate. I thought that a valid point was made that a significant contributory factor to the BNP's 'rise' was the inability of the 'main' political parties to deal with immigration issues. I certainly don't think the programme was an early Christmas present to the BNP I thought Griffin made himself look like a bit of a tool, in fact. His hand was shaking And he was sweating like a stuck pig for the whole programme. He didn't half come out with some rubbish - his 'non violent' KKK mate (eh?????), his miraculous 'U' turn on holocaust denial (erm, excuse me if I remain not entirely convinced) I thought Bonnie Greer's approach to Griffin was the best - with humour, sitting right next to him and showing him up like a silly little boy who didn't really know what he was talking about. Hopefully after watching it, those who voted BNP out of frustration (or ignorance) might now think a bit more carefully before the next time _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick Sent: 23 October 2009 00:22 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? _____ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any >news station in this country, considering the story below...) had >any journalistic credibility. > >Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >Fox basically fired the journalists. > >Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless >FOX still reported on the news that they had won. > >Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable >law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not >really enforceable. > >Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol > >Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpwhkj at aol.com Fri Oct 23 06:32:42 2009 From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:32:42 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. If politics was always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. Top moments: 1. Griffin trying to weasel his way out of talking about denying the holocaust because "British law prevents me from explaining why I changed my mind". That alone was pretty funny (and lame), but then Jack Straw said that he was justice minister, and would guarantee that Griffin wouldn't face prosecution. So Griffin tried to say that French and German courts would have him for it, and Straw pointed out that they (the British courts) had refused extradition requests for this in the past. So Griffin then had to explain how British radio intercepts had convinced him.... which was about as lame as could be. 2. Griffin saying that David Duke was a member of "a non-violent Klan". Cue laughter all round. 3. Griffin explaining how he had had to say extreme things to his party in order to convert them into the nice cuddly BNP that now exists. I'm paraphrasing; the original was funnier and more damning. 4. Pretty much everything Bonnie Greer said. She was the only panellist who looked wholly at ease (IMHO) and she wiped the floor with NG every time she opened her mouth. Whereas the others treated him quite aggressively (albeit politely), she was totally friendly but utterly disdainful and almost amused by what a fool he was. I thought that that was way more effective. Griffin also looked very nervous, which was funny. I guess it's a bit different having some smart people to debate with... compared to what he's used to. A bad day for the BNP, I'd say. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 0:22 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. 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URL: From Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk Fri Oct 23 06:58:35 2009 From: Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk (Rob Horan) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:58:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <659B6598190BF74586E8DD03BBB85083D77D44@Server1.HeadOffice.Westwood.local> yes Griffin must have wondered whether he should have gone on or not as he was inevitably going to be shown up - it also exposed his lack of political skills...hopefully it may reduce the numbskull votes he gets these days.....one of his supporters raised the most valid point of the evening to Jack Straw, asking him did he not agree that the Labour Party's lack of immigration policy is contributing to BNP voting.... Bonni Greer was in complete control and he was no match for her...... ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com Sent: 23 October 2009 11:33 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. If politics was always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. Top moments: 1. Griffin trying to weasel his way out of talking about denying the holocaust because "British law prevents me from explaining why I changed my mind". That alone was pretty funny (and lame), but then Jack Straw said that he was justice minister, and would guarantee that Griffin wouldn't face prosecution. So Griffin tried to say that French and German courts would have him for it, and Straw pointed out that they (the British courts) had refused extradition requests for this in the past. So Griffin then had to explain how British radio intercepts had convinced him.... which was about as lame as could be. 2. Griffin saying that David Duke was a member of "a non-violent Klan". Cue laughter all round. 3. Griffin explaining how he had had to say extreme things to his party in order to convert them into the nice cuddly BNP that now exists. I'm paraphrasing; the original was funnier and more damning. 4. Pretty much everything Bonnie Greer said. She was the only panellist who looked wholly at ease (IMHO) and she wiped the floor with NG every time she opened her mouth. Whereas the others treated him quite aggressively (albeit politely), she was totally friendly but utterly disdainful and almost amused by what a fool he was. I thought that that was way more effective. Griffin also looked very nervous, which was funny. I guess it's a bit different having some smart people to debate with... compared to what he's used to. A bad day for the BNP, I'd say. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 0:22 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? ________________________________ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. = _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr Fri Oct 23 07:21:24 2009 From: frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr (Frenchy Frenzy) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:21:24 +0200 Subject: [kj] to wise-jon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091023112127.4787F280008A@mwumf0223.dbmail.com> Toulouse Le Pied It means ? the foot ? in f***ing french _____ De : gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] De la part de jon chapman Envoy? : vendredi 23 octobre 2009 00:25 ? : gathering at misera.net Objet : Re: [kj] to wise-jon toulouse la pied june 1991. merci beaucoup! ca va christophe?? _____ From: christophe.barry at wanadoo.fr To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:25:19 +0200 Subject: [kj] to wise-jon Jon Tell us, who, so wise in ways of science, where the live gig, in the disc #2 of ?Inside Extremities? did been taken? Jaz spoke some words of French in it. Any idea? Any one ? Christophe _____ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 07:52:35 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:52:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> ill differ the person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect for teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example of a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up for white British people. Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians answer questions about the current policies/news. Given that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked about that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour politician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness might be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political programme could have done that and I think that the Question Time brand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an orchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. X could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely underline their siege mentality. All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then > did.... and it was a hoot.? Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather > narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick.? If politics was > always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours From Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk Fri Oct 23 08:25:04 2009 From: Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk (Rob Horan) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:25:04 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <659B6598190BF74586E8DD03BBB85083D77D5C@Server1.HeadOffice.Westwood.local> What it exposed was Griffin's inability to put his message across as a consummate politician, this was his big chance in the public eye, he looked unsure and frozen by the spotlight - surely he needs to be able to deal with 100 hostile accusors in a television studio....the problem is that BNP support is disaffected working class in high unemployment and multicultural areas and a proportion of them will search for something/one to blame for their woes, the BNP feeds off this of course. In the end I thought he was a nonsense, the BNP is a century out of date and his supporters were exposed as fools..... -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of iPat Sent: 23 October 2009 12:53 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time ill differ the person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect for teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example of a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up for white British people. Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians answer questions about the current policies/news. Given that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked about that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour politician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness might be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political programme could have done that and I think that the Question Time brand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an orchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. X could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely underline their siege mentality. All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then > did.... and it was a hoot.? Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a > rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick.? If > politics was always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From pmdavies at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 08:36:38 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:36:38 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <659B6598190BF74586E8DD03BBB85083D77D5C@Server1.HeadOffice.Westwood.local> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> <659B6598190BF74586E8DD03BBB85083D77D5C@Server1.HeadOffice.Westwood.local> Message-ID: <1646350c0910230536y3a21b54ar49d57ccb8b3838d9@mail.gmail.com> agree to a certain extent, but as he wasnt allowed to finish many of his answers, the general hostility would throw many a politician. Later on he came out with stuff and he was more at ease. That is where people need to challenge, where he feels comfortable and uses his real beliefs. Jon Chapman, you have a lot of associates in various nazi/fascist groups. What did they think? On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Rob Horan wrote: > What it exposed was Griffin's inability to put his message across as a consummate politician, this was his big chance in the public eye, he looked unsure and frozen by the spotlight - surely he needs to be able to deal with 100 hostile accusors in a television studio....the problem is that BNP support is disaffected working class in high unemployment and multicultural areas and a proportion of them will search for something/one to blame for their woes, the BNP feeds off this of course. > > In the end I thought he was a nonsense, the BNP is a century out of date and his supporters were exposed as fools..... > iPat Davies Ascendo tuum - Up yours From joker at Z6.com Fri Oct 23 09:01:33 2009 From: joker at Z6.com (Rob's Arse) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:01:33 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Message-ID: <20091023060133.6F22033D@resin14.mta.everyone.net> Hello all. Been a while. I found the whole thing frustrating. I don't think it was particularly fairly moderated though he did deserve the kicking he got. I feel uncomfortable when anyone is shouted down and their voice is drowned. I think no-one had a particularly open mind and I think that he managed to show himself as rather inadequate in dealing with the crowd. He was rather sycophantic whilst dealing with Bonnie Greer wasn't he? One interesting point was made though regarding Churchill. Britain in the 40's was not at all tolerant of imigrants was it? It was only in the 70's and 80's that the debate REALLy got going. My grandfather's generation all used derogatory terms for blacks, Indians, Pakistani's etc. I would have thought that the BNP views of today could well have appealled to many in the 40's. Griffin made much of his claim that he has changed his views but this was largely rejected. But look at what has happened in Northern Ireland with ex IRA terrorists in parliament. Look at Mandella. He changed from being a violent activist didn't he. Could Griffin have learned a lesson? Maybe. I am usually a trusting. The problem with Griffin is, I don't believe him. Not one bit. He's a deceptive monster who appeals to a frightening number of ill informed people. As iPat rightly says, you are not going to change the minds of these people (you could argue that they don't even have them to change). Griffin is teh puclic face of teh BNP, what worries me is tha there are more extreme people lurking in the shadows. We KNOW they are there. At the end of teh day, he didn't perform well and I am pleased that we live in a place that gives the opportunity for people like him to make idiots of themselves. As an aside, does anyone else think that Jack Straw is an appalling public speaker that seems to have a problem with looking people in the eye? Back to sleep now. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- pmdavies at gmail.com wrote: From: iPat To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:36:38 +0100 agree to a certain extent, but as he wasnt allowed to finish many of his answers, the general hostility would throw many a politician. Later on he came out with stuff and he was more at ease. That is where people need to challenge, where he feels comfortable and uses his real beliefs. Jon Chapman, you have a lot of associates in various nazi/fascist groups. What did they think? On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Rob Horan wrote: > What it exposed was Griffin's inability to put his message across as a consummate politician, this was his big chance in the public eye, he looked unsure and frozen by the spotlight - surely he needs to be able to deal with 100 hostile accusors in a television studio....the problem is that BNP support is disaffected working class in high unemployment and multicultural areas and a proportion of them will search for something/one to blame for their woes, the BNP feeds off this of course. > > In the end I thought he was a nonsense, the BNP is a century out of date and his supporters were exposed as fools..... > iPat Davies Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com) From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 23 09:32:06 2009 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910230536y3a21b54ar49d57ccb8b3838d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <714694.54626.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well, Griffin got what he wanted- a chance to go on television and speak to the country, but he failed miserably to get his views across, not least because the majority of them can be easily demolished?after 30 seconds of moderately careful thought. He really should stick to addressing his own rallies- they're much less demanding and the lack of debate nicely covers up the fact that he hasn't put a great deal of thought into his views. I'm amused by the offended supporters claiming he was victimized. Right, so he only wants to face the public as long as they don't ask questions about his views. He must have thought he was going on Question Time to discuss the weather. Genius. ? Jim. ? --- On Fri, 23/10/09, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 13:36 agree to a certain extent, but as he wasnt allowed to finish many of his answers, the general hostility would throw many a politician. Later on he came out with stuff and he was more at ease. That is where people need to challenge, where he feels comfortable and uses his real beliefs. Jon Chapman, you have a lot of associates in various nazi/fascist groups. What did they think? On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Rob Horan wrote: > What it exposed was Griffin's inability to put his message across as a consummate politician, this was his big chance in the public eye, he looked unsure and frozen by the spotlight - surely he needs to be able to deal with 100 hostile accusors in a television studio....the problem is that BNP support is disaffected working class in high unemployment and multicultural areas and a proportion of them will search for something/one to blame for their woes, the BNP feeds off this of course. > > In the end I thought he was a nonsense, the BNP is a century out of date and his supporters were exposed as fools..... > iPat Davies Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Fri Oct 23 10:21:30 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:21:30 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <659B6598190BF74586E8DD03BBB85083D77D5C@Server1.HeadOffice.Westwood.local> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: True, guys like him are dangerous and need to be stopped dead in their tracks. Didn' we learn anything from WWII? It's no accident that he's put on TV now--as unemployment stays high, there needs to be a saftey valve for people's anger. Even is the foolish ones follow this racist, it's better then them being out in the street demanding jobs, or asking CEOs to stop taking 400x the pay of their emploees. > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:25:04 +0100 > From: Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time > > What it exposed was Griffin's inability to put his message across as a consummate politician, this was his big chance in the public eye, he looked unsure and frozen by the spotlight - surely he needs to be able to deal with 100 hostile accusors in a television studio....the problem is that BNP support is disaffected working class in high unemployment and multicultural areas and a proportion of them will search for something/one to blame for their woes, the BNP feeds off this of course. > > In the end I thought he was a nonsense, the BNP is a century out of date and his supporters were exposed as fools..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of iPat > Sent: 23 October 2009 12:53 > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time > > ill differ > the person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect for teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example of a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up for white British people. > > Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians answer questions about the current policies/news. > Given that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked about that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. > > On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour politician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness might be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political programme could have done that and I think that the Question Time brand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. > > So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an orchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. > X could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely underline their siege mentality. > > All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > > I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then > > did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a > > rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. If > > politics was always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. > -- > iPat > Ascendo tuum - Up yours > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 23 10:30:55 2009 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <800374.21372.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I don't think there's much point in taking into account the views of the BNP supporters; as you say, they have their siege mentality, and short of another fascist- paedophile scandal, nothing is going to shake their faith in their glorious leader. The BBC couldn't win; if they don't put him on TV, it's censorship and they're scared of airing The Truth because they know the BNP speak The Truth; if they do, they're guilty of orchestrating a smear campaign against him. At least by putting him on Question Time some people might have got to see how bigotted, unintelligent and completely out of his depth Nick Griffin is. ? Jim. --- On Fri, 23/10/09, iPat wrote: ill differ the person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect for teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example of a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up for white British people. Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians answer questions about the current policies/news. Given that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked about that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour politician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness might be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political programme could have done that and I think that the Question Time brand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an orchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. X could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely underline their siege mentality. All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM,? wrote: > I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then > did.... and it was a hoot.? Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather > narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick.? If politics was > always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More racism, many whites there live like shit)> Your knee jerk racism is preventing you from listening. > From: planetary at socal.rr.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:05:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > > GREG SLAWSON wrote: > > Too bad the level of political correctness doesn't sheild minorities from > higher infant mortality than much of the 3rd world, much worse schools, > housing, health care (even when things are equalized by income, class, > education,etc. black Americans have higher rates of many dieases, probably > due to stress), much higher rates of corrupt "subprime" mortgages, a > fraction of the incomd of whites, 1/10 (yes, that's not a typo and it is a > recent study) the overall net worth or wealth of whites, are more likely to > live near toxic waste sites, have less access on average to healthy food, > and are victims of crime at higher rates. Of corse, most of these problems > hold down living conditions for whites as well--it's not like we're getting > paid more b/c our boss loves his white employees... > > +++++++ > > Yeah, here in 2009, it's still all "whitey's" fault. > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 11:41:48 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:41:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <714694.54626.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <1646350c0910230536y3a21b54ar49d57ccb8b3838d9@mail.gmail.com> <714694.54626.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1646350c0910230841q6c0016feuea1c81ef99ba5946@mail.gmail.com> What is Question Time? Its a programme that debates with MPs, MEP and special guests on current issues. I think they stepped outside the remit last night, even though I have no issue with channeling extremists of whatever persuasion. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jim Harper wrote: > Well, Griffin got what he wanted- a chance to go on television and speak to > the country, but he failed miserably to get his views across, not least > because the majority of them can be easily demolished after 30 seconds of > moderately careful thought. He really should stick to addressing his own > rallies- they're much less demanding and the lack of debate nicely covers up > the fact that he hasn't put a great deal of thought into his views. I'm > amused by the offended supporters claiming he was victimized. Right, so he > only wants to face the public as long as they don't ask questions about his > views. He must have thought he was going on Question Time to discuss the > weather. Genius. > > Jim. > > -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The BBC couldn't win; if they don't put him on TV, > it's censorship and they're scared of airing The Truth because they know the > BNP speak The Truth; if they do, they're guilty of orchestrating a smear > campaign against him. At least by putting him on Question Time some people > might have got to see how bigotted, unintelligent and completely out of his > depth Nick Griffin is. > > Jim. > > -- -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 23 12:11:09 2009 From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910230841q6c0016feuea1c81ef99ba5946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <736551.36477.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Well, if the Tory prospective education policy or Tony Blair's Afghanistan policy are current issues, then so are the BNP's. I think both BNP supporters and opponents would consider BNP policies and beliefs to be an essential topic for discussion, especially since they're trying to become the government of this country. What makes you say they stepped outside their remit? ? Jim. --- On Fri, 23/10/09, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 16:41 What is Question Time? Its a programme that debates with MPs, MEP and special guests on current issues. I think they stepped outside the remit last night, even though I have no issue with channeling extremists of whatever persuasion. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jim Harper wrote: Well, Griffin got what he wanted- a chance to go on television and speak to the country, but he failed miserably to get his views across, not least because the majority of them can be easily demolished?after 30 seconds of moderately careful thought. He really should stick to addressing his own rallies- they're much less demanding and the lack of debate nicely covers up the fact that he hasn't put a great deal of thought into his views. I'm amused by the offended supporters claiming he was victimized. Right, so he only wants to face the public as long as they don't ask questions about his views. He must have thought he was going on Question Time to discuss the weather. Genius. ? Jim. -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmdavies at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 16:30:57 2009 From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:30:57 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <736551.36477.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <1646350c0910230841q6c0016feuea1c81ef99ba5946@mail.gmail.com> <736551.36477.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1646350c0910231330oe0d455y71ee6fa9c3464c42@mail.gmail.com> Dont get me wrong Jim i'm not a fan of Griffin and I've spilt blood in the late 70s and early 80's standing up to NF bullies. I'm not the gatherer who had nazi imagary on his facebook site. Question Time does not in any other instance invite a MEP on to attack them. It has contentious guests who have given their views on the weeks current events and have had to deal with anything that gets thrown in their face. MP's expences was an example, but they didnt select the other guests to directly challenge them. There was a significant change in the QT format having invited Griffin on, who rightly or wrongly is an elected MP. We had a good laugh at Griffins expence but what did it really do? It didnt deal with any of the issues that people in Bradford, Burnley etc have been voicing behind their reasons for voting BNP, so all it really did was pander to an audience that wouldn't give him the time of day anyway. We laugh and ridicule Griffen and Peter Mandelson wears the cloak of acceptabilty. Id be more scared of Mandelson and the Bilderberg *group* than good ol' Nick On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Jim Harper wrote: > Well, if the Tory prospective education policy or Tony Blair's Afghanistan > policy are current issues, then so are the BNP's. I think both BNP > supporters and opponents would consider BNP policies and beliefs to be an > essential topic for discussion, especially since they're trying to become > the government of this country. > What makes you say they stepped outside their remit? > > Jim. > > --- On *Fri, 23/10/09, iPat * wrote: > > > From: iPat > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" < > gathering at misera.net> > Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 16:41 > > > What is Question Time? > Its a programme that debates with MPs, MEP and special guests on current > issues. > I think they stepped outside the remit last night, even though I have no > issue with channeling extremists of whatever persuasion. > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jim Harper > > wrote: > >> Well, Griffin got what he wanted- a chance to go on television and >> speak to the country, but he failed miserably to get his views across, not >> least because the majority of them can be easily demolished after 30 seconds >> of moderately careful thought. He really should stick to addressing his own >> rallies- they're much less demanding and the lack of debate nicely covers up >> the fact that he hasn't put a great deal of thought into his views. I'm >> amused by the offended supporters claiming he was victimized. Right, so he >> only wants to face the public as long as they don't ask questions about his >> views. He must have thought he was going on Question Time to discuss the >> weather. Genius. >> >> Jim. >> >> > -- > iPat > Ascendo tuum - Up yours > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > -- -- Pat Davies Ascendo tuum - Up yours -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 17:56:32 2009 From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:56:32 +0100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910231330oe0d455y71ee6fa9c3464c42@mail.gmail.com> References: <1646350c0910230841q6c0016feuea1c81ef99ba5946@mail.gmail.com> <736551.36477.qm@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i think griffin is a complete and utter berk,sorry i am not bringing much to the table,i see everything has already been said mostly already by other gatherers! milindafgrant ps god help us if that berk ever gets real power ;( Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:30:57 +0100 From: pmdavies at gmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Dont get me wrong Jim i'm not a fan of Griffin and I've spilt blood in the late 70s and early 80's standing up to NF bullies. I'm not the gatherer who had nazi imagary on his facebook site. Question Time does not in any other instance invite a MEP on to attack them. It has contentious guests who have given their views on the weeks current events and have had to deal with anything that gets thrown in their face. MP's expences was an example, but they didnt select the other guests to directly challenge them. There was a significant change in the QT format having invited Griffin on, who rightly or wrongly is an elected MP. We had a good laugh at Griffins expence but what did it really do? It didnt deal with any of the issues that people in Bradford, Burnley etc have been voicing behind their reasons for voting BNP, so all it really did was pander to an audience that wouldn't give him the time of day anyway. We laugh and ridicule Griffen and Peter Mandelson wears the cloak of acceptabilty. Id be more scared of Mandelson and the Bilderberg group than good ol' Nick On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Jim Harper wrote: Well, if the Tory prospective education policy or Tony Blair's Afghanistan policy are current issues, then so are the BNP's. I think both BNP supporters and opponents would consider BNP policies and beliefs to be an essential topic for discussion, especially since they're trying to become the government of this country. What makes you say they stepped outside their remit? Jim. --- On Fri, 23/10/09, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 16:41 What is Question Time? Its a programme that debates with MPs, MEP and special guests on current issues. I think they stepped outside the remit last night, even though I have no issue with channeling extremists of whatever persuasion. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jim Harper wrote: Well, Griffin got what he wanted- a chance to go on television and speak to the country, but he failed miserably to get his views across, not least because the majority of them can be easily demolished after 30 seconds of moderately careful thought. He really should stick to addressing his own rallies- they're much less demanding and the lack of debate nicely covers up the fact that he hasn't put a great deal of thought into his views. I'm amused by the offended supporters claiming he was victimized. Right, so he only wants to face the public as long as they don't ask questions about his views. He must have thought he was going on Question Time to discuss the weather. Genius. 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[looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >? >________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. > >Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone.? Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. > >Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. > >Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law.? Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. > >Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol > >Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 4:16:24 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox This is the first time in ten years I've created a Gathering thread that's had more than three responses. ? I was on holiday in the US on election night, which was cool,?staying?in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont. I was suprised in a positive way by the TV news in the US. I had been led to believe that US news is very parochial - what with only 15 Americans?holding passports and 55% of them thinking?China is a small district of Manhattan (joke guys, ok, just a joke) -but I thought the news reporting was as good as we get in the UK. There seemed to be a lot of international coverage, and in terms of?Iraq/Afghanastan?some coverage was given to non-US troops. Probably?this should't be surprising but it was. ? I binged on a lot of US TV. If anything annoyed?me about it, it was that in almost every programme there seemed to be members of the public standing around shouting?"boo-ya" a lot and waving at the cameras. ? IN terms of Fox being allegedly anti-Obama, what about comdians that appear on the likes of chat shows, like SNL (though I don't know if that's Fox). Bush gave them loads of material, but I imagine these comedians are pretty liberal East/West coasters who would back Obama. Do they rip the shit out of Obama too, or have they had to find other material? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:34:22 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > ..Not Journalists. Unless.... (hey, I use?Merriams too!) Un[for us]/fortunately, there's nothing in that definition concerning quality or integrity?- which is why any moron who can master?the?mechanics of it can get away with getting credetialled as a journalist. Sort of like how Dr. "Joey" Mengele was technically a doctor,?those fuckers psycho-logists monitoring the Guantanamo tortures are technically psychologists. ? I just emphasize the 'tone' of?that definition in order to realign zeh peeple's?focus back on the real issues:?what we're willing (desirous?)?to let pass as "journalism," and, that the real problem is the profession itself, that it should change in order to filter out such Beckian-Dobbsian crap. (God bless FAIR.orgfor the sake of the few?real journalists left.) ?So hey! how 'bout that balloon kid, huh? ? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 6:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox 'Main Entry: jour?nal?ism Pronunciation: \?j?r-n?-?li-z?m\ Function: noun Date: 1828 1 a : the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b : the public press c : an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium 2 a : writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b : writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c : writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest' Not Journalists. Unless News Media now includes myths and lies as fact? (I don't agree with 2c, more likely to be written by a PR agent, propagandist or starfucker) ________________________________ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Obama and Fox > Hannity and Beck are NOT Journalists.? ?? Technically (because 'in spirit' they definitely don't seem it)... *winces*...*sighs*... they are, according?to the definitions of both?"journalist," and "journalism."? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Fri Oct 23 19:06:29 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:06:29 +1100 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: No but I've seen that documentary, tell me what's wrong with it. I couldn't really find anything to complain about in John Pilger's works either. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 6:20 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vassifer at earthlink.net Fri Oct 23 19:22:33 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:22:33 -0400 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <8BB94118-8F8D-4CC6-9090-BF3B700C7933@earthlink.net> Fuck Fox News! Alex in NYC On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Brendan wrote: > No but I've seen that documentary, tell me what's wrong with it. > > I couldn't really find anything to complain about in John Pilger's > works either. > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] On Behalf Of The Exorcist > Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 6:20 PM > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > *Groan* You read her as well?! > > At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >> They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see >> doco. >> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net >> ] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >> Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >> Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any >> news station in this country, considering the story below...) had >> any journalistic credibility. >> >> Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >> Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >> though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >> hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >> Fox basically fired the journalists. >> >> Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, >> regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >> >> Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >> judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >> LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. >> Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really >> enforceable. >> >> Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >> just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >> >> Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Fri Oct 23 19:31:09 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:31:09 -0400 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > > *Groan* You read her as well?! > >You say that like it's a bad thing. > > >... ... ... ... ... ... > >[looking at the current state of things..] > >'Save me... > save me from Tomorrow.. > I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' > > > > >From: The Exorcist >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >*Groan* You read her as well?! > >At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >> >> >>---------- >>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any >>news station in this country, considering the story below...) had >>any journalistic credibility. >> >>Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >>Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >>though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >>hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >>Fox basically fired the journalists. >> >>Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, >>regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >> >>Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >>judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >>LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable >>law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not >>really enforceable. >> >>Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >>just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >> >>Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 23 19:49:16 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:49:16 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Lookalike References: <181571.84977.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: so, that's where he gets the inspiration from ... ; ) k.w. Happy weekend to all my fellow Gatherers. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Lookalike Separated at birth? Both 'dropped' in late 1982.. "HA" http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8mY/SSTlbQ-QKFI/AAAAAAAANQk/NQtvATHl49A/s400/killing+joke ..and, http://dopephatdeffwordvegaskongmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/lil-wayne-goes-rock_032.jpg http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/12786419/Lil+Wayne.jpg http://spreadtheluxe.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/lil-wayne-rebirth.jpg ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Fri Oct 23 19:51:23 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:51:23 +1100 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 23 20:00:08 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:00:08 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112." Cheers, k.w. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vassifer at earthlink.net Fri Oct 23 20:16:04 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:16:04 -0400 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <137E5B25-97B1-4513-B464-A9AC8EF966D9@earthlink.net> C'mon now, let's leave Rush out of this. Alex in NYC On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Brendan wrote: > Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable > facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my > isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some > Rush albums. > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] On Behalf Of The Exorcist > Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > Not bad as much as sad. > > At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: >> > *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >> You say that like it's a bad thing. >> >> >> ... ... ... ... ... ... >> >> [looking at the current state of things..] >> >> 'Save me... >> save me from Tomorrow.. >> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' >> >> >> >> >> From: The Exorcist >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > > >> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >> At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>> They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see >>> doco. >>> >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net >>> ] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>> Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>> Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >>> >>> Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or >>> any news station in this country, considering the story below...) >>> had any journalistic credibility. >>> >>> Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >>> Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >>> though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >>> hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >>> Fox basically fired the journalists. >>> >>> Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, >>> regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >>> >>> Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >>> judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >>> LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. >>> Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not >>> really enforceable. >>> >>> Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >>> just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >>> >>> Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gathering mailing list >> Gathering at misera.net >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Fri Oct 23 21:34:05 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:34:05 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news References: Message-ID: <03C6DC9BB02747D2B87EBE9B4E4B6EA3@edweil> I've heard about that; it's pretty damning. k.w. the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Concrete Cookie To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Griffin trying to weasel his way out of talking about denying the holocaust because "British law prevents me from explaining why I changed my mind". That alone was pretty funny (and lame), but then Jack Straw said that he was justice minister, and would guarantee that Griffin wouldn't face prosecution. So Griffin tried to say that French and German courts would have him for it, and Straw pointed out that they (the British courts) had refused extradition requests for this in the past. So Griffin then had to explain how British radio intercepts had convinced him.... which was about as lame as could be. 2. Griffin saying that David Duke was a member of "a non-violent Klan". Cue laughter all round. 3. Griffin explaining how he had had to say extreme things to his party in order to convert them into the nice cuddly BNP that now exists. I'm paraphrasing; the original was funnier and more damning. 4. Pretty much everything Bonnie Greer said. She was the only panellist who looked wholly at ease (IMHO) and she wiped the floor with NG every time she opened her mouth. Whereas the others treated him quite aggressively (albeit politely), she was totally friendly but utterly disdainful and almost amused by what a fool he was. I thought that that was way more effective. Griffin also looked very nervous, which was funny. I guess it's a bit different having some smart people to debate with... compared to what he's used to. A bad day for the BNP, I'd say. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 0:22 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. 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URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 23:09:43 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:09:43 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: I'll check it out! From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:06:29 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news No but I've seen that documentary, tell me what's wrong with it. I couldn't really find anything to complain about in John Pilger's works either. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 6:20 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Fri Oct 23 23:25:55 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:25:55 -0400 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KS0000OA1J8HZ10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Yeap. They're about as iron-clad as your statement dear Darren. Glad you've been persuaded. It must've been just a bit stronger. I knew you'd come around to it sooner or later. At 07:51 PM 10/23/2009, Brendan wrote: >Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable >facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my >isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Not bad as much as sad. > >At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: >> > *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >>You say that like it's a bad thing. >> >> >>... ... ... ... ... ... >> >>[looking at the current state of things..] >> >>'Save me... >> save me from Tomorrow.. >> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' >> >> >> >> >>From: The Exorcist >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>*Groan* You read her as well?! >> >>At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>>They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >>> >>> >>>---------- >>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >>>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>>Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>>Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >>> >>>Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or >>>any news station in this country, considering the story below...) >>>had any journalistic credibility. >>> >>>Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >>>Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >>>though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >>>hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >>>Fox basically fired the journalists. >>> >>>Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, >>>regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >>> >>>Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >>>judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >>>LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable >>>law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not >>>really enforceable. >>> >>>Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >>>just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >>> >>>Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Fri Oct 23 23:26:26 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:26:26 -0400 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> Message-ID: <0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Will it be a pinstripe suit? At 08:00 PM 10/23/2009, Karen Weil wrote: >Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, >it must be "2112." > > >Cheers, > >k.w. >USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brendan >To: 'A list about all things Killing >Joke (the band!)' >Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable >facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my >isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. > > >---------- >From: >gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Not bad as much as sad. > >At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: >> > *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >>You say that like it's a bad thing. >> >> >>... ... ... ... ... ... >> >>[looking at the current state of things..] >> >>'Save me... >> save me from Tomorrow.. >> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' >> >> >> >> >>From: The Exorcist >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>*Groan* You read her as well?! >> >>At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >>>They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >>> >>> >>>---------- >>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >>>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>>Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>>Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >>> >>>Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or >>>any news station in this country, considering the story below...) >>>had any journalistic credibility. >>> >>>Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists >>>Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even >>>though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth >>>hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and >>>Fox basically fired the journalists. >>> >>>Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, >>>regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >>> >>>Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the >>>judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by >>>LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable >>>law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not >>>really enforceable. >>> >>>Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's >>>just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >>> >>>Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Sat Oct 24 02:03:51 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:03:51 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <0KS0000OA1J8HZ10@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> Message-ID: Exorcist, so how do you feel about being lied to by your "news"? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:25:55 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Yeap. They're about as iron-clad as your statement dear Darren. Glad you've been persuaded. It must've been just a bit stronger. I knew you'd come around to it sooner or later. At 07:51 PM 10/23/2009, Brendan wrote: Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. 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Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Will it be a pinstripe suit? At 08:00 PM 10/23/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112." Cheers, k.w. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Sat Oct 24 03:56:26 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:56:26 +1100 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <9C08A25CC37C4536B3ED7E97AFF66C54@edweil> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <9C08A25CC37C4536B3ED7E97AFF66C54@edweil> Message-ID: <0113E11E35F14B66A5914FC771A18557@Spazmatron> A Danish movie about a gay love affair between two members of a neo-Nazi group won top honours Friday at the Rome Film Festival http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2997790/Neo-nazi-gay-affair-film-w ins-Rome-festival _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 12:35 PM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time This man sounds like a complete and utter creep. And I thought the U.S. had some miserable political leaders .... k.w. the States ----- Original Message ----- From: jpwhkj at aol.com To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. If politics was always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. Top moments: 1. Griffin trying to weasel his way out of talking about denying the holocaust because "British law prevents me from explaining why I changed my mind". That alone was pretty funny (and lame), but then Jack Straw said that he was justice minister, and would guarantee that Griffin wouldn't face prosecution. So Griffin tried to say that French and German courts would have him for it, and Straw pointed out that they (the British courts) had refused extradition requests for this in the past. So Griffin then had to explain how British radio intercepts had convinced him.... which was about as lame as could be. 2. Griffin saying that David Duke was a member of "a non-violent Klan". Cue laughter all round. 3. Griffin explaining how he had had to say extreme things to his party in order to convert them into the nice cuddly BNP that now exists. I'm paraphrasing; the original was funnier and more damning. 4. Pretty much everything Bonnie Greer said. She was the only panellist who looked wholly at ease (IMHO) and she wiped the floor with NG every time she opened her mouth. Whereas the others treated him quite aggressively (albeit politely), she was totally friendly but utterly disdainful and almost amused by what a fool he was. I thought that that was way more effective. Griffin also looked very nervous, which was funny. I guess it's a bit different having some smart people to debate with... compared to what he's used to. A bad day for the BNP, I'd say. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: nicholas fitzpatrick To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 0:22 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Anybody see this? I saw most of it until the baby started wailing. I hate to say this, but I can't help feeling that if Nick Griffin wasn't a racist c*nt, he might actually be a nice guy. Don't lynch me. My wife's British Indian so trust me, I'm not going soft on the BNP. I think Jack Straw did a pretty good job and that Moslem Tory was on fire sometimes. Jeezus I might vote Tory. (I promise I won't try and create any more political threads after this). Do UK Gatherers feel inclined to vote BNP now you've been exposed to the BNP in a mainstream acceptable setting like QT? _____ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles. Learn more. = _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpwhkj at aol.com Sat Oct 24 07:36:37 2009 From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:36:37 -0400 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC22B561111E76-54E8-11B5D@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Hi iPat, Regarding your final point, I think that's usually the case - people hear (and see) what they want to. So I agree that it's very unlikely that any BNP supporters watched QT and suddenly changed their minds. At most, some of them may have been ashamed of their glorious leader's pathetic defeat at the hands of a black woman. But doubtless most of them will find a positive spin even on that. Was it a set-up? I'm sure the panellists went into it determined to give Griffin a kicking. Fair enough, given where they all are on the political and/or racial spectrums. No doubt Griffin hoped to land a few blows himself. That's what politics is about. The studio audience contained several BNP supporters - probably about in proportion to their share of the vote, so that seems fair enough. It would have been very odd if half the audience had been boneheads in big DM's and braces.... The bulk of the questions from the audience were about the BNP. But that's hardly surprising given that Griffin's appearance on the programme was such big news. I think the only questionable behaviour was Dimbleby's, in that he asked Griffin some difficult questions; but he also gave him the chance to answer... and in response Griffin fluffed and floundered. So my verdict on the "ultra-left BBC" is Not Guilty. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:52 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time ill differ he person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect or teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example f a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up or white British people. Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians nswer questions about the current policies/news. iven that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked bout that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour olitician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness ight be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political rogramme could have done that and I think that the Question Time rand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an rchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely nderline their siege mentality. All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what hey wanted to hear. n Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. 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Someone must have told him "if you work too hard... you can sweat"? ? ________________________________ From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 5:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112."? ? ? Cheers, ? k.w. USA ----- Original Message ----- >From: Brendan >To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > >Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted.?And some Rush albums. >? > ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >Not bad as much as sad. > >At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > >> *Groan* You read her as well?! >>? >>You say that like it's a bad thing. >> >>? >>... ... ... ... ... ... >> >> ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >[looking at the current state of things..] >? >'Save me... >? save me from Tomorrow.. >??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? >? > > > >From: The Exorcist >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > >*Groan* You read her as well?! > >At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: > >They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >>? >>________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. >> >>Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone.? Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. >> >>Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >> >>Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law.? Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. >> >>Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >> >>Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 01:46:55 2009 From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:46:55 +1300 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: <91423.94367.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> <91423.94367.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been postponed indefinitely..." On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, sade1 wrote: > > ..send us a postcard. And... it must be "2112." > > Don't encourage him, remember that 21-12 is still the date slated for > the end of Everything. > according to who? the Mayans? HA! i've not found any documentation that this is what they thought... =) > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... > > *[looking at the state of things..]* > ** > 'Who has the fun.. > ..is it always a man with a gun...? > Someone must have told him "if you work too hard... *you can sweat*" > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Karen Weil > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < > gathering at misera.net> > *Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 5:00:08 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must > be "2112." > > > Cheers, > > k.w. > USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Brendan > *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' > *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM > *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have > brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong > and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > *On Behalf Of *The Exorcist > *Sent:* Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > Not bad as much as sad. > > At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > > > *Groan* You read her as well?! > > You say that like it's a bad thing. > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... > > *[looking at the current state of things..] > * > 'Save me... > save me from Tomorrow.. > I don't want to *sail in this Ship Of Fools...'* > > > > > *From:* The Exorcist > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < > gathering at misera.net> > *Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > *Groan* You read her as well?! > > At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: > > They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [ > mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] *On > Behalf Of *Concrete Cookie > *Sent:* Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the > *Subject:* [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news > station in this country, considering the story below...) had any > journalistic credibility. > > Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve > Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the > advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto > was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the > journalists. > > Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX > still reported on the news that they had won. > > Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges > that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS > are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. 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URL: From paulwady at hotmail.com Mon Oct 26 09:46:06 2009 From: paulwady at hotmail.com (Paul Wady) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:46:06 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: <8CC22B561111E76-54E8-11B5D@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Am I right that a core belief of Griffin's views is that specific 'English' race's should maintain their gene pool integrity and ownership of landmass, and that money should come in and out of their pockets to their own kinds? That 'them coming over here, taking our jobs and our money' should stop and that 'they should all go back to where they come from, and their descendants?'. So, it is not a permanent fact of animal/human/insect/virus life on the Earth that everything living tends to move around and even migrate? If it can crawl it may well move on from where it was born, let alone walk? So Britain should not have gone to India etc and founded the British Empire? We should have stuck to our own little landmass and not lived elsewhere, ever, and started colonies. (Wasn't there a colony over the Atlantic back in the 1700's? Whatever happened to that?) Seems to me that there will always be immigration everywhere. BNP calibre Brits will always go live and breed in other countries where there are people who SHOULD NEVER come over to England to do the same, according to Mr. Griffin. I thought a pure gene pool becomes inbred, and you get deformities and illnesses and weaknesses. Gene pools that are different and interbreed, produce the best aspects of both. So you get beautiful, smart half-caste kids, physically perfect like an ex of mine, or a bit Irish/Liverpool/Danish/God knows what like me? Or am I confused? How does it work? We can go plunder the Koh I Noor, Cleopatra's needle, Rastafarian books etc but 'they' cannot come over to 'our' country? We can invade German held France and take it over and give it back to the French people but, er, sorry. We'd better all stop listening to these descendent forms of African drums and The Blues, eh? Bit lost. Also, has anyone checked Nick Griffin's family trees? Keep Smiling. http://www.myspace.com/themodelaircraftmuseum www.myspace.com/modelaircraftmuseumtouchingthesun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJr6o6TgJhk - THE INFAMOUS YOUTUBE FILM. http://www.myspace.com/paulwadyexperience Autism also affects adults. Most are isolated and ignored Think. Act. Transform Lives. www.think-differently.org.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:36:37 -0400 From: jpwhkj at aol.com Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time Hi iPat, Regarding your final point, I think that's usually the case - people hear (and see) what they want to. So I agree that it's very unlikely that any BNP supporters watched QT and suddenly changed their minds. At most, some of them may have been ashamed of their glorious leader's pathetic defeat at the hands of a black woman. But doubtless most of them will find a positive spin even on that. Was it a set-up? I'm sure the panellists went into it determined to give Griffin a kicking. Fair enough, given where they all are on the political and/or racial spectrums. No doubt Griffin hoped to land a few blows himself. That's what politics is about. The studio audience contained several BNP supporters - probably about in proportion to their share of the vote, so that seems fair enough. It would have been very odd if half the audience had been boneheads in big DM's and braces.... The bulk of the questions from the audience were about the BNP. But that's hardly surprising given that Griffin's appearance on the programme was such big news. I think the only questionable behaviour was Dimbleby's, in that he asked Griffin some difficult questions; but he also gave him the chance to answer... and in response Griffin fluffed and floundered. So my verdict on the "ultra-left BBC" is Not Guilty. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: iPat To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:52 Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time ill differ the person attracted to the BNP is someone who has lost all respect for teh status quo in politics and will have seen this as an example of a collusion via the BBC to hound and persecute him for standing up for white British people. Question Time is the top political q&a programme, where politicians answer questions about the current policies/news. Given that there is a Rotyal Mail strike on, how come no-one asked about that? Because it was set up to belittle Griffen. On other matters Dimberly did take to task the conservative and labour politician once the programme moved on so some semblance of fairness might be seen. If it was charachter assasination any other political programme could have done that and I think that the Question Time brand will suffer now because of this ratings grabbing stunt. So the person who might vote for the BNP will actually see this as an orchestrated campaign by X aginst the ordinary British working person. X could be Jews, the establishment, commies etc. It will merely underline their siege mentality. All in all, it spoke in a way to the audiences who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > I wasn't going to watch, 'cos I figured it would be tedious, but then > did.... and it was a hoot. Griffin is obviously intelligent (in a rather > narrow way), but he mostly looked like a complete prick. If politics was > always so entertaining, people would be way more engaged with it. -- iPat Ascendo tuum - Up yours _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 13:24:59 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:24:59 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: MSN/Hotmail Email issues? References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com><9C08A25CC37C4536B3ED7E97AFF66C54@edweil><0113E11E35F14B66A5914FC771A18557@Spazmatron> <0KS1000LQAE549A0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <3D513D24B00F4E178ABDF4517CC4CA87@edweil> I am not, for the record -- and unlike FB chat, it works quite nicely. cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: [kj] OT: MSN/Hotmail Email issues? Anyone having formatting issues from emailers who use MSN/Hotmail? (Odd characters etc....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 13:28:13 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:28:13 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> <0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> Nah, one of those fun jersey-type tees so many sported in the late 70s. k.w. Socal ----- Original Message ----- From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Will it be a pinstripe suit? At 08:00 PM 10/23/2009, Karen Weil wrote: Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112." Cheers, k.w. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 13:30:01 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:01 -0700 Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> <91423.94367.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Exactly -- and that's why I don't have to worry about retirement! ; ) k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > ..send us a postcard. And... it must be "2112." Don't encourage him, remember that 21-12 is still the date slated for the end of Everything. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the state of things..] 'Who has the fun.. ..is it always a man with a gun...? Someone must have told him "if you work too hard... you can sweat" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Karen Weil To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 5:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112." Cheers, k.w. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Not bad as much as sad. At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: > *Groan* You read her as well?! You say that like it's a bad thing. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news *Groan* You read her as well?! At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. 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URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 26 13:41:10 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:41:10 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: <17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> Message-ID: <13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> The short hit is that this show reminded me why I hate seeing concerts in stadiums. Knowing what a clusterfuck parking and navigating into The Rose Bowl would be, I left at 3 in the afternoon yesterday for the show which was a smart thing as although it took me barely an hour to get there, it took another 1 hour to park in the huge golf course that doubles as a parking lot for Rose Bowl events once I got off the freeway a mere 2 miles from the stadium. After kicking back 'til 6pm, I went in the stadium, got wrist banded for my GA floor access and checked out the massive stage. I got lucky and got pit access but after hanging out there for seem of the otherwise wretched Black Eyed Peas' set, I decided to leave the pit hanging out at about the 50 yard line directly between the stage and the soundboard was the best place to soak in the show until U2's encore when I went back into the pit. Amusingly, the people that paid the most for their tickets in the "Red Zone" next to the pit on either side of the stage probably had the worst view. The stage is so high off the ground that you can only see the bass or guitar player and the top half of Bono and the drummer is mostly obscured depending on which side you're on and you're under the huge cone-shaped video screen so you have to look at it straight up. Speaking of the Black Eyed Peas opening set, admittedly a lot of people were into their shtick but the Rose Bowl really came alive when (ex)Guns n' Roses' Slash came out to play guitar and they did a decent cover of "Sweet Child O' Mine" with the chick singer really doing an excellent job singing the tune - easily the highlight of their set. U2 came on a little after 9pm opening with 3 songs off their last album. I have to say, the show never really seemed to quite get off the ground. A big part of it was the crowd who just didn't have a lot of energy much of the show. But the band shares a lot of the blame as well. The set is unevenly paced and the combination of 7 songs off the newest album (which imo is easily one of their weakest albums ever) and 5 off "All You Can't Leave Behind," notably dull momentum killers "Stuck in a Moment" and "In A Little While," there was a lot more valleys than peaks in the set. Even otherwise excellent and long-unplayed deep cuts "Unforgettable Fire" and "Ultraviolet" which I figured to be highlights of the show kind of fell flat. The "remix" version of "Crazy Tonight" is terrible with drummer Larry Mullen Jr playing barely audible bongos at the front of the stage to a heavily pre-recorded drum track. Probably the low point of the show was when they played "Walk On," a bunch of dour-faced fans came on stage on the ramp circling the pit with paper masks of Aung San Suu Kyi on their faces to protest her continued house arrest in Burma. Frankly, it was cring-inducing and a perfect example of the ham-fisted approach U2 often takes to some "political" issues. Bravely, the band isn't playing some of their biggest live songs this tour - no Pride, Bullet The Blue Sky, New Years Day or I Will Follow among others. Unfortunately, it's a shame they aren't playing some other far more worthwhile songs than much of the stuff they are playing especially from the previous two albums. This is all not to say the show didn't have some high points - "Get On Your Boots" works far better live now than it did when they first started playing it. Mysterious Ways early in the set momentarily brought the crowd back into the show and the crowd seemed really into things through a great sing-along of "Stand By Me" tagged at the end of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." During "Until The End Of The World" and later "Vertigo," everything seemed to click. And the last song of the show, "Moment of Surrender," which is unquestionably the best song off the last album, worked extremely well as a closer. The biggest problem with this tour is that the stage production completely overshadows the band and their music. The stage is simply breathtaking and the sound is easily the best I've ever heard in a stadium but this "show" is by far the weakest U2 concert I've seen in decades. It's like the Pop tour jacked up to "11." Even more awesome production, but even weaker songs and setlist. Not to mention, imo U2's playing has slipped a notch since the last tour (although Bono's voice is *very* strong this time around). There were a lot of happy fans after the show but to a person, every comment I heard focused on the production, not the band. IMO, U2 is now at the same point the Rolling Stones were around the Voodoo Lounge album/tour. BTW, it took me a full 2 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot after the show. I will never see another show at the Rose Bowl. I understand they've annouced their early Summer 2010 North American dates last night which include an Anaheim Stadium show. Even though that's a much better stadium and only 15 - 20 minutes away, U2 will have to drastically retool their set to get me back for another show. T.B. From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 14:51:36 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:51:36 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> <13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: Excellent and fair-minded review, TB. I've heard similar thoughts about this concert. I've not seen U2 live in many years, but it just seems (and I hate to fall back on this cliche), they are one supergroup that should have ditched the "megatour" method (along with the insane sets, etc.) -- it worked for them awhile, but not anymore. (I mean, the Trabbis on the '92 tour had their charms, but that was it.) And the Black Eyed Peas? Good Lord ... Cheers, K.Weil San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mighty TB" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > The short hit is that this show reminded me why I hate seeing concerts in > stadiums. > > Knowing what a clusterfuck parking and navigating into The Rose Bowl would > be, I left at 3 in the afternoon yesterday for the show which was a smart > thing as although it took me barely an hour to get there, it took another > 1 hour to park in the huge golf course that doubles as a parking lot for > Rose Bowl events once I got off the freeway a mere 2 miles from the > stadium. > > After kicking back 'til 6pm, I went in the stadium, got wrist banded for > my GA floor access and checked out the massive stage. I got lucky and got > pit access but after hanging out there for seem of the otherwise wretched > Black Eyed Peas' set, I decided to leave the pit hanging out at about the > 50 yard line directly between the stage and the soundboard was the best > place to soak in the show until U2's encore when I went back into the pit. > Amusingly, the people that paid the most for their tickets in the "Red > Zone" next to the pit on either side of the stage probably had the worst > view. The stage is so high off the ground that you can only see the bass > or guitar player and the top half of Bono and the drummer is mostly > obscured depending on which side you're on and you're under the huge > cone-shaped video screen so you have to look at it straight up. > > Speaking of the Black Eyed Peas opening set, admittedly a lot of people > were into their shtick but the Rose Bowl really came alive when (ex)Guns > n' Roses' Slash came out to play guitar and they did a decent cover of > "Sweet Child O' Mine" with the chick singer really doing an excellent job > singing the tune - easily the highlight of their set. > > U2 came on a little after 9pm opening with 3 songs off their last album. > I have to say, the show never really seemed to quite get off the ground. > A big part of it was the crowd who just didn't have a lot of energy much > of the show. But the band shares a lot of the blame as well. The set is > unevenly paced and the combination of 7 songs off the newest album (which > imo is easily one of their weakest albums ever) and 5 off "All You Can't > Leave Behind," notably dull momentum killers "Stuck in a Moment" and "In A > Little While," there was a lot more valleys than peaks in the set. Even > otherwise excellent and long-unplayed deep cuts "Unforgettable Fire" and > "Ultraviolet" which I figured to be highlights of the show kind of fell > flat. The "remix" version of "Crazy Tonight" is terrible with drummer > Larry Mullen Jr playing barely audible bongos at the front of the stage to > a heavily pre-recorded drum track. Probably the low point of the show was > when they played "Walk On," a bunch of dour-faced fans came on stage on > the ramp circling the pit with paper masks of Aung San Suu Kyi on their > faces to protest her continued house arrest in Burma. Frankly, it was > cring-inducing and a perfect example of the ham-fisted approach U2 often > takes to some "political" issues. > > Bravely, the band isn't playing some of their biggest live songs this > tour - no Pride, Bullet The Blue Sky, New Years Day or I Will Follow among > others. Unfortunately, it's a shame they aren't playing some other far > more worthwhile songs than much of the stuff they are playing especially > from the previous two albums. > > This is all not to say the show didn't have some high points - "Get On > Your Boots" works far better live now than it did when they first started > playing it. Mysterious Ways early in the set momentarily brought the crowd > back into the show and the crowd seemed really into things through a great > sing-along of "Stand By Me" tagged at the end of "I Still Haven't Found > What I'm Looking For." During "Until The End Of The World" and later > "Vertigo," everything seemed to click. And the last song of the show, > "Moment of Surrender," which is unquestionably the best song off the last > album, worked extremely well as a closer. > > The biggest problem with this tour is that the stage production completely > overshadows the band and their music. The stage is simply breathtaking > and the sound is easily the best I've ever heard in a stadium but this > "show" is by far the weakest U2 concert I've seen in decades. It's like > the Pop tour jacked up to "11." Even more awesome production, but even > weaker songs and setlist. Not to mention, imo U2's playing has slipped a > notch since the last tour (although Bono's voice is *very* strong this > time around). There were a lot of happy fans after the show but to a > person, every comment I heard focused on the production, not the band. > IMO, U2 is now at the same point the Rolling Stones were around the Voodoo > Lounge album/tour. > > BTW, it took me a full 2 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot after the > show. I will never see another show at the Rose Bowl. > > I understand they've annouced their early Summer 2010 North American dates > last night which include an Anaheim Stadium show. Even though that's a > much better stadium and only 15 - 20 minutes away, U2 will have to > drastically retool their set to get me back for another show. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 26 15:55:33 2009 From: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk (Darren A. Peace) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:55:33 +0000 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: <13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> <13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: Did she piss herself? Splendid review, as always. Thanks for posting. Darren Hungerford, UK On 26 Oct 2009, at 17:41, "The Mighty TB" wrote: > The short hit is that this show reminded me why I hate seeing > concerts in stadiums. > > Knowing what a clusterfuck parking and navigating into The Rose Bowl > would be, I left at 3 in the afternoon yesterday for the show which > was a smart thing as although it took me barely an hour to get > there, it took another 1 hour to park in the huge golf course that > doubles as a parking lot for Rose Bowl events once I got off the > freeway a mere 2 miles from the stadium. > > After kicking back 'til 6pm, I went in the stadium, got wrist banded > for my GA floor access and checked out the massive stage. I got > lucky and got pit access but after hanging out there for seem of the > otherwise wretched Black Eyed Peas' set, I decided to leave the pit > hanging out at about the 50 yard line directly between the stage and > the soundboard was the best place to soak in the show until U2's > encore when I went back into the pit. Amusingly, the people that > paid the most for their tickets in the "Red Zone" next to the pit on > either side of the stage probably had the worst view. The stage is > so high off the ground that you can only see the bass or guitar > player and the top half of Bono and the drummer is mostly obscured > depending on which side you're on and you're under the huge cone- > shaped video screen so you have to look at it straight up. > > Speaking of the Black Eyed Peas opening set, admittedly a lot of > people were into their shtick but the Rose Bowl really came alive > when (ex)Guns n' Roses' Slash came out to play guitar and they did a > decent cover of "Sweet Child O' Mine" with the chick singer really > doing an excellent job singing the tune - easily the highlight of > their set. > > U2 came on a little after 9pm opening with 3 songs off their last > album. I have to say, the show never really seemed to quite get off > the ground. A big part of it was the crowd who just didn't have a > lot of energy much of the show. But the band shares a lot of the > blame as well. The set is unevenly paced and the combination of 7 > songs off the newest album (which imo is easily one of their weakest > albums ever) and 5 off "All You Can't Leave Behind," notably dull > momentum killers "Stuck in a Moment" and "In A Little While," there > was a lot more valleys than peaks in the set. Even otherwise > excellent and long-unplayed deep cuts "Unforgettable Fire" and > "Ultraviolet" which I figured to be highlights of the show kind of > fell flat. The "remix" version of "Crazy Tonight" is terrible with > drummer Larry Mullen Jr playing barely audible bongos at the front > of the stage to a heavily pre-recorded drum track. Probably the low > point of the show was when they played "Walk On," a bunch of dour- > faced fans came on stage on the ramp circling the pit with paper > masks of Aung San Suu Kyi on their faces to protest her continued > house arrest in Burma. Frankly, it was cring-inducing and a perfect > example of the ham-fisted approach U2 often takes to some > "political" issues. > > Bravely, the band isn't playing some of their biggest live songs > this tour - no Pride, Bullet The Blue Sky, New Years Day or I Will > Follow among others. Unfortunately, it's a shame they aren't playing > some other far more worthwhile songs than much of the stuff they are > playing especially from the previous two albums. > > This is all not to say the show didn't have some high points - "Get > On Your Boots" works far better live now than it did when they first > started playing it. Mysterious Ways early in the set momentarily > brought the crowd back into the show and the crowd seemed really > into things through a great sing-along of "Stand By Me" tagged at > the end of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." During > "Until The End Of The World" and later "Vertigo," everything seemed > to click. And the last song of the show, "Moment of Surrender," > which is unquestionably the best song off the last album, worked > extremely well as a closer. > > The biggest problem with this tour is that the stage production > completely overshadows the band and their music. The stage is > simply breathtaking and the sound is easily the best I've ever heard > in a stadium but this "show" is by far the weakest U2 concert I've > seen in decades. It's like the Pop tour jacked up to "11." Even > more awesome production, but even weaker songs and setlist. Not to > mention, imo U2's playing has slipped a notch since the last tour > (although Bono's voice is *very* strong this time around). There > were a lot of happy fans after the show but to a person, every > comment I heard focused on the production, not the band. IMO, U2 is > now at the same point the Rolling Stones were around the Voodoo > Lounge album/tour. > > BTW, it took me a full 2 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot > after the show. I will never see another show at the Rose Bowl. > > I understand they've annouced their early Summer 2010 North American > dates last night which include an Anaheim Stadium show. Even though > that's a much better stadium and only 15 - 20 minutes away, U2 will > have to drastically retool their set to get me back for another show. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk Mon Oct 26 16:06:24 2009 From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:24 +0000 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> Message-ID: Great review,but U2?. > From: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:55:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > > Did she piss herself? > > Splendid review, as always. Thanks for posting. > > Darren > Hungerford, UK > > On 26 Oct 2009, at 17:41, "The Mighty TB" > wrote: > > > The short hit is that this show reminded me why I hate seeing > > concerts in stadiums. > > > > Knowing what a clusterfuck parking and navigating into The Rose Bowl > > would be, I left at 3 in the afternoon yesterday for the show which > > was a smart thing as although it took me barely an hour to get > > there, it took another 1 hour to park in the huge golf course that > > doubles as a parking lot for Rose Bowl events once I got off the > > freeway a mere 2 miles from the stadium. > > > > After kicking back 'til 6pm, I went in the stadium, got wrist banded > > for my GA floor access and checked out the massive stage. I got > > lucky and got pit access but after hanging out there for seem of the > > otherwise wretched Black Eyed Peas' set, I decided to leave the pit > > hanging out at about the 50 yard line directly between the stage and > > the soundboard was the best place to soak in the show until U2's > > encore when I went back into the pit. Amusingly, the people that > > paid the most for their tickets in the "Red Zone" next to the pit on > > either side of the stage probably had the worst view. The stage is > > so high off the ground that you can only see the bass or guitar > > player and the top half of Bono and the drummer is mostly obscured > > depending on which side you're on and you're under the huge cone- > > shaped video screen so you have to look at it straight up. > > > > Speaking of the Black Eyed Peas opening set, admittedly a lot of > > people were into their shtick but the Rose Bowl really came alive > > when (ex)Guns n' Roses' Slash came out to play guitar and they did a > > decent cover of "Sweet Child O' Mine" with the chick singer really > > doing an excellent job singing the tune - easily the highlight of > > their set. > > > > U2 came on a little after 9pm opening with 3 songs off their last > > album. I have to say, the show never really seemed to quite get off > > the ground. A big part of it was the crowd who just didn't have a > > lot of energy much of the show. But the band shares a lot of the > > blame as well. The set is unevenly paced and the combination of 7 > > songs off the newest album (which imo is easily one of their weakest > > albums ever) and 5 off "All You Can't Leave Behind," notably dull > > momentum killers "Stuck in a Moment" and "In A Little While," there > > was a lot more valleys than peaks in the set. Even otherwise > > excellent and long-unplayed deep cuts "Unforgettable Fire" and > > "Ultraviolet" which I figured to be highlights of the show kind of > > fell flat. The "remix" version of "Crazy Tonight" is terrible with > > drummer Larry Mullen Jr playing barely audible bongos at the front > > of the stage to a heavily pre-recorded drum track. Probably the low > > point of the show was when they played "Walk On," a bunch of dour- > > faced fans came on stage on the ramp circling the pit with paper > > masks of Aung San Suu Kyi on their faces to protest her continued > > house arrest in Burma. Frankly, it was cring-inducing and a perfect > > example of the ham-fisted approach U2 often takes to some > > "political" issues. > > > > Bravely, the band isn't playing some of their biggest live songs > > this tour - no Pride, Bullet The Blue Sky, New Years Day or I Will > > Follow among others. Unfortunately, it's a shame they aren't playing > > some other far more worthwhile songs than much of the stuff they are > > playing especially from the previous two albums. > > > > This is all not to say the show didn't have some high points - "Get > > On Your Boots" works far better live now than it did when they first > > started playing it. Mysterious Ways early in the set momentarily > > brought the crowd back into the show and the crowd seemed really > > into things through a great sing-along of "Stand By Me" tagged at > > the end of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." During > > "Until The End Of The World" and later "Vertigo," everything seemed > > to click. And the last song of the show, "Moment of Surrender," > > which is unquestionably the best song off the last album, worked > > extremely well as a closer. > > > > The biggest problem with this tour is that the stage production > > completely overshadows the band and their music. The stage is > > simply breathtaking and the sound is easily the best I've ever heard > > in a stadium but this "show" is by far the weakest U2 concert I've > > seen in decades. It's like the Pop tour jacked up to "11." Even > > more awesome production, but even weaker songs and setlist. Not to > > mention, imo U2's playing has slipped a notch since the last tour > > (although Bono's voice is *very* strong this time around). There > > were a lot of happy fans after the show but to a person, every > > comment I heard focused on the production, not the band. IMO, U2 is > > now at the same point the Rolling Stones were around the Voodoo > > Lounge album/tour. > > > > BTW, it took me a full 2 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot > > after the show. I will never see another show at the Rose Bowl. > > > > I understand they've annouced their early Summer 2010 North American > > dates last night which include an Anaheim Stadium show. Even though > > that's a much better stadium and only 15 - 20 minutes away, U2 will > > have to drastically retool their set to get me back for another show. > > > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From planetary at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 26 16:19:44 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:19:44 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: "Darren A. Peace" wrote: > Did she piss herself? Who? The Black Eyed Peas chick? If that's one of her regular stunts, we all missed out last night. T.B. From planetary at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 26 16:24:34 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil> Message-ID: jon chapman wrote: Great review,but U2? ++++ I'm an unabashed U2 fan dating back to the first time I saw them during the "Boy" tour in '81. I've never missed a tour (except the "Lovetown" tour in '89-'90 because they didn't play the US) and while I've seen some dodgy shows, I've also seen a few shows I'd put in my top 10 best shows I've ever caught. Their best music and shows may be behind them, but they're still worth a look, imo. And I freely admit I understand and agree with a fair amount of criticism the band and especially Bono get and last night had ample fuel for more of it. T.B. From ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com Mon Oct 26 16:47:50 2009 From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com (karl hunt) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:47:50 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time In-Reply-To: References: <64823.67631.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CC21E3499E2C7E-C18-B663@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <1646350c0910230452l337f2c0bie76e762f9270fae2@mail.gmail.com> <8CC22B561111E76-54E8-11B5D@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82e68ae70910261347l2b0a320aic9f6ad9c131484c3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Paul Wady wrote: > Am I right that a core belief of Griffin's views is that specific > 'English' race's should maintain their gene pool integrity and ownership of > landmass, and that money should come in and out of their pockets to their > own kinds? That 'them coming over here, taking our jobs and our money' > should stop and that 'they should all go back to where they come from, and > their descendants?'. > Gene pool - yes, he represents the thinking that it shouldnt be mixed. Not all right wing thinking goes that way though. The integrity and ownership of landmass is what happens in many Arab countries, most particularly the UAE. They are not against people working here, but they shouldn't be able to dilute the rights of the indigenous people. > > So, it is not a permanent fact of animal/human/insect/virus life on the > Earth that everything living tends to move around and even migrate? If it > can crawl it may well move on from where it was born, let alone walk? > That may be the case, but the weakest eventually ies out. The Aryan thinking is that the gene pool should be mixed with the right ingredients to produce the best survival option. > So Britain should not have gone to India etc and founded the British > Empire? We should have stuck to our own little landmass and not lived > elsewhere, ever, and started colonies. (Wasn't there a colony over the > Atlantic back in the 1700's? Whatever happened to that?) > Not their philosophy. There is some credibility to the discussion over the state of the Commonwealth and how that has been pushed back to make way for the EU. Many right wingers do see that as an issue and a selling out of the interests of the Commonwealth. I dont think the BNP follow that line. > > Seems to me that there will always be immigration everywhere. BNP calibre > Brits will always go live and breed in other countries where there are > people who SHOULD NEVER come over to England to do the same, according to > Mr. Griffin. > Not what they say. They say that workers can come an work but are not 'citizens'. Pretty much like the states! > > I thought a pure gene pool becomes inbred, and you get deformities and > illnesses and weaknesses. Gene pools that are different and interbreed, > produce the best aspects of both. So you get beautiful, smart half-caste > kids, physically perfect like an ex of mine, or a bit > Irish/Liverpool/Danish/God knows what like me? > I think your running away with the interpretation of what they think. > > > -- Karl Hunt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Mon Oct 26 17:04:43 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:04:43 +1100 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: <71294C930C6C450CA281A3C57572ADE8@Spazmatron> This guy served one to the Black Eyed Peas pretty well: http://www.cracked.com/video_17618_black-eyed-peas-have-officially-written-w orst-song-ever.html -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Tuesday, 27 October 2009 5:52 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl Excellent and fair-minded review, TB. I've heard similar thoughts about this concert. I've not seen U2 live in many years, but it just seems (and I hate to fall back on this cliche), they are one supergroup that should have ditched the "megatour" method (along with the insane sets, etc.) -- it worked for them awhile, but not anymore. (I mean, the Trabbis on the '92 tour had their charms, but that was it.) And the Black Eyed Peas? Good Lord ... Cheers, K.Weil San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mighty TB" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > The short hit is that this show reminded me why I hate seeing concerts in > stadiums. > > Knowing what a clusterfuck parking and navigating into The Rose Bowl would > be, I left at 3 in the afternoon yesterday for the show which was a smart > thing as although it took me barely an hour to get there, it took another > 1 hour to park in the huge golf course that doubles as a parking lot for > Rose Bowl events once I got off the freeway a mere 2 miles from the > stadium. > > After kicking back 'til 6pm, I went in the stadium, got wrist banded for > my GA floor access and checked out the massive stage. I got lucky and got > pit access but after hanging out there for seem of the otherwise wretched > Black Eyed Peas' set, I decided to leave the pit hanging out at about the > 50 yard line directly between the stage and the soundboard was the best > place to soak in the show until U2's encore when I went back into the pit. > Amusingly, the people that paid the most for their tickets in the "Red > Zone" next to the pit on either side of the stage probably had the worst > view. The stage is so high off the ground that you can only see the bass > or guitar player and the top half of Bono and the drummer is mostly > obscured depending on which side you're on and you're under the huge > cone-shaped video screen so you have to look at it straight up. > > Speaking of the Black Eyed Peas opening set, admittedly a lot of people > were into their shtick but the Rose Bowl really came alive when (ex)Guns > n' Roses' Slash came out to play guitar and they did a decent cover of > "Sweet Child O' Mine" with the chick singer really doing an excellent job > singing the tune - easily the highlight of their set. > > U2 came on a little after 9pm opening with 3 songs off their last album. > I have to say, the show never really seemed to quite get off the ground. > A big part of it was the crowd who just didn't have a lot of energy much > of the show. But the band shares a lot of the blame as well. The set is > unevenly paced and the combination of 7 songs off the newest album (which > imo is easily one of their weakest albums ever) and 5 off "All You Can't > Leave Behind," notably dull momentum killers "Stuck in a Moment" and "In A > Little While," there was a lot more valleys than peaks in the set. Even > otherwise excellent and long-unplayed deep cuts "Unforgettable Fire" and > "Ultraviolet" which I figured to be highlights of the show kind of fell > flat. The "remix" version of "Crazy Tonight" is terrible with drummer > Larry Mullen Jr playing barely audible bongos at the front of the stage to > a heavily pre-recorded drum track. Probably the low point of the show was > when they played "Walk On," a bunch of dour-faced fans came on stage on > the ramp circling the pit with paper masks of Aung San Suu Kyi on their > faces to protest her continued house arrest in Burma. Frankly, it was > cring-inducing and a perfect example of the ham-fisted approach U2 often > takes to some "political" issues. > > Bravely, the band isn't playing some of their biggest live songs this > tour - no Pride, Bullet The Blue Sky, New Years Day or I Will Follow among > others. Unfortunately, it's a shame they aren't playing some other far > more worthwhile songs than much of the stuff they are playing especially > from the previous two albums. > > This is all not to say the show didn't have some high points - "Get On > Your Boots" works far better live now than it did when they first started > playing it. Mysterious Ways early in the set momentarily brought the crowd > back into the show and the crowd seemed really into things through a great > sing-along of "Stand By Me" tagged at the end of "I Still Haven't Found > What I'm Looking For." During "Until The End Of The World" and later > "Vertigo," everything seemed to click. And the last song of the show, > "Moment of Surrender," which is unquestionably the best song off the last > album, worked extremely well as a closer. > > The biggest problem with this tour is that the stage production completely > overshadows the band and their music. The stage is simply breathtaking > and the sound is easily the best I've ever heard in a stadium but this > "show" is by far the weakest U2 concert I've seen in decades. It's like > the Pop tour jacked up to "11." Even more awesome production, but even > weaker songs and setlist. Not to mention, imo U2's playing has slipped a > notch since the last tour (although Bono's voice is *very* strong this > time around). There were a lot of happy fans after the show but to a > person, every comment I heard focused on the production, not the band. > IMO, U2 is now at the same point the Rolling Stones were around the Voodoo > Lounge album/tour. > > BTW, it took me a full 2 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot after the > show. I will never see another show at the Rose Bowl. > > I understand they've annouced their early Summer 2010 North American dates > last night which include an Anaheim Stadium show. Even though that's a > much better stadium and only 15 - 20 minutes away, U2 will have to > drastically retool their set to get me back for another show. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 17:11:38 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:11:38 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> Message-ID: And I'd say that is a blessing. k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mighty TB" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > "Darren A. Peace" wrote: > > >> Did she piss herself? > > > Who? The Black Eyed Peas chick? If that's one of her regular stunts, we > all missed out last night. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From planetary at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 26 17:20:19 2009 From: planetary at socal.rr.com (The Mighty TB) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:20:19 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: <71294C930C6C450CA281A3C57572ADE8@Spazmatron> References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> <71294C930C6C450CA281A3C57572ADE8@Spazmatron> Message-ID: "Brendan" wrote: > This guy served one to the Black Eyed Peas pretty well: > > http://www.cracked.com/video_17618_black-eyed-peas-have-officially-written-w > orst-song-ever.html Yep. They played that one last night. But probably the most offensive song they played was the tune that completely rips off Dick Dale's "Pipeline" guitar riff and marries it to stupid hip-hop garbage lyrics and music. Watching thousands of drones mindlessly dancing around me, I realized that the human race is doomed. T.B. From concrete_cookie at hotmail.com Mon Oct 26 18:17:35 2009 From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com (Concrete Cookie) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:17:35 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC> <71294C930C6C450CA281A3C57572ADE8@Spazmatron> Message-ID: that's it! NO MORE VOCODERS!!!!! MORE COWBELL! > From: planetary at socal.rr.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:20:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > > "Brendan" wrote: > > > > This guy served one to the Black Eyed Peas pretty well: > > > > http://www.cracked.com/video_17618_black-eyed-peas-have-officially-written-w > > orst-song-ever.html > > Yep. They played that one last night. But probably the most offensive song > they played was the tune that completely rips off Dick Dale's "Pipeline" > guitar riff and marries it to stupid hip-hop garbage lyrics and music. > Watching thousands of drones mindlessly dancing around me, I realized that > the human race is doomed. > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. 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MORE COWBELL! > From: planetary at socal.rr.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:20:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > > "Brendan" wrote: > > > > This guy served one to the Black Eyed Peas pretty well: > > > > http://www.cracked.com/video_17618_black-eyed-peas-have-officially-written-w > > orst-song-ever.html > > Yep. They played that one last night. But probably the most offensive song > they played was the tune that completely rips off Dick Dale's "Pipeline" > guitar riff and marries it to stupid hip-hop garbage lyrics and music. > Watching thousands of drones mindlessly dancing around me, I realized that > the human race is doomed. > > T.B. > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. 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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:47:50 +0000 From: ukarl.hunt at googlemail.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT: BNP on Question Time On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Paul Wady wrote: Am I right that a core belief of Griffin's views is that specific 'English' race's should maintain their gene pool integrity and ownership of landmass, and that money should come in and out of their pockets to their own kinds? That 'them coming over here, taking our jobs and our money' should stop and that 'they should all go back to where they come from, and their descendants?'. Gene pool - yes, he represents the thinking that it shouldnt be mixed. Not all right wing thinking goes that way though.The integrity and ownership of landmass is what happens in many Arab countries, most particularly the UAE. They are not against people working here, but they shouldn't be able to dilute the rights of the indigenous people. So, it is not a permanent fact of animal/human/insect/virus life on the Earth that everything living tends to move around and even migrate? If it can crawl it may well move on from where it was born, let alone walk? That may be the case, but the weakest eventually ies out. The Aryan thinking is that the gene pool should be mixed with the right ingredients to produce the best survival option. So Britain should not have gone to India etc and founded the British Empire? We should have stuck to our own little landmass and not lived elsewhere, ever, and started colonies. (Wasn't there a colony over the Atlantic back in the 1700's? Whatever happened to that?) Not their philosophy. There is some credibility to the discussion over the state of the Commonwealth and how that has been pushed back to make way for the EU. Many right wingers do see that as an issue and a selling out of the interests of the Commonwealth. I dont think the BNP follow that line. Seems to me that there will always be immigration everywhere. BNP calibre Brits will always go live and breed in other countries where there are people who SHOULD NEVER come over to England to do the same, according to Mr. Griffin. Not what they say. They say that workers can come an work but are not 'citizens'. Pretty much like the states! I thought a pure gene pool becomes inbred, and you get deformities and illnesses and weaknesses. Gene pools that are different and interbreed, produce the best aspects of both. So you get beautiful, smart half-caste kids, physically perfect like an ex of mine, or a bit Irish/Liverpool/Danish/God knows what like me? I think your running away with the interpretation of what they think. -- Karl Hunt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 18:58:53 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:58:53 -0700 Subject: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron><0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil><0KS000HPQ1K383Y0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><17B0A7C26239477C9D106188C0AFC0D8@edweil><13EA30A3CA94403EA12C9FBD73B37FDA@Bell2007PC><71294C930C6C450CA281A3C57572ADE8@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <73335039E3BD4833AC656B98C5D3999A@edweil> I knew that one was on its way. Nice comback, T.B. = ) Cheers, k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mighty TB" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (NKJ) U2 at the Rose Bowl > Karen Weil wrote: > > How about less cowbell and no more Vocoders? ; ) > ++++ > > Beware of the Cowcoder. > > T.B. > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From karen.weil at sddt.com Mon Oct 26 19:21:02 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:21:02 -0700 Subject: [kj] OT: Friday song References: Message-ID: <92DDFDB4FDA44ADF896FFD3215A05B2F@edweil> It's not a bad song for Friday, at all -- (and I just listened to it today) cheers, k.w. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: [kj] OT: Friday song Thought I'd randomly send out a song, by Hater, called Walk Alone, released a few years ago but recorded in about 95. Great Friday song. 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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for24hrs on Oct. 20 That is a very nice song. Never thought Ministry had it in them, that style of song, i mean. (it is still downloadable as of today tue. 10/20, 5:30p.m. Pacific Time - 0800 Zulu/GMT) On a lighter note, here's a fun holiday season video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MwdEzYkT8c ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Paul Gorman [Home] To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 12:01:11 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry myspace to stream Paul Raven tribute song for 24hrs on Oct. 20 For any that may have missed the stream http://www.2shared.com/file/8550154/fbf235e8/Its_Always_Christmas_Time_-_Ministry.html RIP Paul dub not precisely sure when the 20th begins and ends on myspace but the new song "It's Always Christmastime" will evidently be streaming there for 24 hrs. It was created in honour of Paul by Al Jourgensen and Mark Gemini Thwaite and will be available for digital download in the future. here's the link to Ministry's blog about it on myspace... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225>http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=12277641&blogId=514782225 got a candle lit here in richmond virginia for Raven-gonna head out under the Riotstar's rays for a cider in a bit and raise a rare glass. 2 years gone now...what an intense 2 years it has been...life...push-push STRUGGLE and we carry on... 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 26 20:31:20 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news In-Reply-To: References: <1A37206079EB4D9BBC5A53E1D0F3EBB6@Spazmatron> <0KRY002PMHPZZ2Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <831516.59731.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KRZ00MFRQNYKY01@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0DB9A62382004F8C8F615059E91029BC@edweil> <91423.94367.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269914.64380.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > according to who? the Mayans? ? HA! ?i've not found any . . . Ha ha, we'll?know soon enough, and you can let the rest of us know a day ahead of time -?on 20-12 - if it's all true or not (due to International Date LIne?"technicalities"). Hmm, ?20-12-2012..... still don't believe?!? *cue opening of "We Have Joy" * ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Who has the fun.. ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...? ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"? ________________________________ From: bongo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 10:46:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been postponed indefinitely..." On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, sade1 wrote: >? ..send us a postcard. And... it must be "2112."? >? >?? Don't encourage him, remember that 21-12 is still the date slated?for the end of Everything. according to who? the Mayans? ? HA! ?i've not found any documentation that this is what they thought... =) ? >? >... ... ... ... ... ... > >[looking at the?state of things..] >? >'Who has the fun.. >? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?? >??? Someone must have told him "if you work too hard... you can sweat"? >? > ________________________________ From: Karen Weil > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 5:00:08 PM > >Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > > >Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must be "2112."? >? >? >Cheers, >? >k.w. >USA >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Brendan >>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >>Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> >>Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong and going to get a suit fitted.?And some Rush albums. >>? >> ________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >>Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>Not bad as much as sad. >> >>At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: >> >>> *Groan* You read her as well?! >>>? >>>You say that like it's a bad thing. >>> >>>? >>>... ... ... ... ... ... >>> >>>[looking at the current state of things..] >>? >>'Save me... >>? save me from Tomorrow.. >>??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? >>? >> >> >> >>From: The Exorcist >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >>Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >>*Groan* You read her as well?! >> >>At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >> >>They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >>>? >>>________________________________ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Concrete Cookie >>>Sent: Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the >>>Subject: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >>> >>>Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news station in this country, considering the story below...) had any journalistic credibility. >>> >>>Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone.? Monsanto was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the journalists. >>> >>>Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX still reported on the news that they had won. >>> >>>Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law.? Judges agreed, hence setting the precedent that lying is not really enforceable. >>> >>>Of course, trying saying F*($ on television and saying that it's just a silly FCC rule that no one can enforce... lol >>> >>>Without changing the laws all we have is propaganda. >>_______________________________________________ >>Gathering mailing list >>Gathering at misera.net >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HA! i've not found any . . . > > Ha ha, we'll know soon enough, and you can let the rest of us know a day > ahead of time - on 20-12 - if it's all true or not (due to International > Date LIne "technicalities"). > > Hmm, 20-12-2012..... still don't believe?! **cue opening of "We Have > Joy" ** > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... > > *[looking at the current state of things..]* > ** > 'Who has the fun.. > ..is it always a man with a gun...? > Someone must have told him if you work too hard... *you can sweat*" > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* bongo > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < > gathering at misera.net> > *Sent:* Sat, October 24, 2009 10:46:55 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news > > > > > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been > postponed indefinitely..." > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, sade1 wrote: > >> > ..send us a postcard. And... it must be "2112." >> >> Don't encourage him, remember that 21-12 is still the date slated for >> the end of Everything. >> > > > > according to who? > the Mayans? HA! i've not found any documentation that this is what they > thought... > > > =) > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> ... ... ... ... ... ... >> >> *[looking at the state of things..]* >> ** >> 'Who has the fun.. >> ..is it always a man with a gun...? >> Someone must have told him "if you work too hard... *you can sweat*" >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Karen Weil >> >> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < >> gathering at misera.net> >> *Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 5:00:08 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> Have fun Brendan; and please send us a postcard. And if it's Rush, it must >> be "2112." >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> k.w. >> USA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Brendan >> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2009 4:51 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> Your iron-clad arguments and relentless barrage of indisputable facts have >> brought me around 180 degrees, I'm throwing out my isolation tank and bong >> and going to get a suit fitted. And some Rush albums. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] >> *On Behalf Of *The Exorcist >> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 October 2009 10:31 AM >> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >> *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> Not bad as much as sad. >> >> At 06:41 PM 10/23/2009, sade1 wrote: >> >> > *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >> You say that like it's a bad thing. >> >> >> ... ... ... ... ... ... >> >> *[looking at the current state of things..] >> * >> 'Save me... >> save me from Tomorrow.. >> I don't want to *sail in this Ship Of Fools...'* >> >> >> >> >> *From:* The Exorcist >> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) < >> gathering at misera.net> >> *Sent:* Fri, October 23, 2009 12:20:22 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> *Groan* You read her as well?! >> >> At 06:14 PM 10/22/2009, Brendan wrote: >> >> They both appear in Naomi Klein's 'The Corporation' - a must see doco. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [ >> mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] *On >> Behalf Of *Concrete Cookie >> *Sent:* Friday, 23 October 2009 9:02 AM >> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the >> *Subject:* [kj] FOX "news" isn't news >> >> Just in case anyone was still under the assumption that FOX (or any news >> station in this country, considering the story below...) had any >> journalistic credibility. >> >> Today I read about a very interesting case of 2 fox journalists Steve >> Wilson and Jane Akre, reporting about rBGH used in milk even though the >> advertising on the milk said there was no bovine growth hormone. Monsanto >> was very unhappy about the story coming out and Fox basically fired the >> journalists. >> >> Wilson and Akre sued and won the suit in front of a jury, regardless FOX >> still reported on the news that they had won. >> >> Fox later took the case to federal court where they convinced the judges >> that FCC rules about grievous harm to the public done by LYING ON THE NEWS >> are only SUGGESTIONS and not enforceable law. 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I found the press release in multiple locations: http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=49611&comments=1 Listened to it: meh. Certainly not worthy of the vitriol I imagine will be unleashed shortly. Good effort; nice try; forgot it immediately after I heard it ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 27 19:14:31 2009 From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. 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From frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr Wed Oct 28 14:04:40 2009 From: frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr (Frenchy Frenzy) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:04:40 +0100 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Message-ID: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 28 14:16:42 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:16:42 -0700 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information References: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> Message-ID: <582B0F499B69425F94C60CDAC9ECB89A@edweil> Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) Cheers, K.Weil SoCal the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Frenchy Frenzy To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 28 14:19:31 2009 From: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk (Darren A. Peace) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:19:31 +0000 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information In-Reply-To: <582B0F499B69425F94C60CDAC9ECB89A@edweil> References: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> <582B0F499B69425F94C60CDAC9ECB89A@edweil> Message-ID: <4D5120F6-4054-4D82-9D7D-F48E8BD1267D@suspiria.demon.co.uk> A timely reminder to take proactive steps to detect testicular cancer. Thank you. Darren Hungerford, UK On 28 Oct 2009, at 18:16, "Karen Weil" wrote: > Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. > Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have > been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > > Cheers, > > K.Weil > SoCal > the States > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frenchy Frenzy > To: gathering at misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > Hi all, > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder if any Gatherers there have been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) Cheers, K.Weil SoCal the States ----- Original Message ----- From: Frenchy Frenzy To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Javier mexcity ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Date : Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT >From : LONESTYLE at aol.com To : gathering at misera.net That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works again! Cheers, ~ Lonely Boy In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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Awesome news! and besides you're invited to check their work out at the end of the recordings!?!?! What a nice gesture, isn't it? Javier mexcity ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Date : Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT >From : LONESTYLE at aol.com To : gathering at misera.net That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works again! Cheers, ~ Lonely Boy In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk Wed Oct 28 15:48:21 2009 From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:48:21 +0000 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: damn right,ANY kind of cheese. The French are known to do that From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jon chapman Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:31 PM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information he sucks their cocks alot. Awesome news! and besides you're invited to check their work out at the end of the recordings!?!?! What a nice gesture, isn't it? Javier mexcity ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Date : Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT >From : LONESTYLE at aol.com To : gathering at misera.net That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works again! Cheers, ~ Lonely Boy In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. 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Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Javier Garcia) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:04:40 +0100 >From: "Frenchy Frenzy" >Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: >Message-ID: <20091028180439.732812417F at requiem.osadm.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Hi all, > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:16:42 -0700 >From: "Karen Weil" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: <582B0F499B69425F94C60CDAC9ECB89A at edweil> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. >Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have >been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > >Cheers, > >K.Weil >SoCal >the States > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frenchy Frenzy > To: gathering at misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > Hi all, > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:19:31 +0000 >From: "Darren A. Peace" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Message-ID: > <4D5120F6-4054-4D82-9D7D-F48E8BD1267D at suspiria.demon.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > >A timely reminder to take proactive steps to detect testicular cancer. >Thank you. > >Darren >Hungerford, UK > >On 28 Oct 2009, at 18:16, "Karen Weil" wrote: > > > Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. > > Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have > > been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > > > > Cheers, > > > > K.Weil > > SoCal > > the States > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Frenchy Frenzy > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:21:38 -0700 >From: "Karen Weil" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >No, not those "boys." The actual band. But we do appreciate the >public service announcement. ; ) > >Me >Across the Pond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darren A. Peace > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > A timely reminder to take proactive steps to detect testicular > cancer. Thank you. > > > Darren > Hungerford, UK > > On 28 Oct 2009, at 18:16, "Karen Weil" wrote: > > > Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. > Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there > have been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > > Cheers, > > K.Weil > SoCal > the States > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frenchy Frenzy > To: gathering at misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > Hi all, > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT >From: LONESTYLE at aol.com >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: gathering at misera.net >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works >again! > >Cheers, > >~ Lonely Boy > > >In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: > >Hi all, > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Javier Garcia" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: > ><20091028144818.HM.000000000000Cle at jagargal.mail-wwl12.bo3.lycos.com.lycos.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:31:14 +0000 >From: jon chapman >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >he sucks their cocks alot. > > > >Awesome news! and besides you're invited to check their work out at >the end of the recordings!?!?! What a nice gesture, isn't it? > >Javier >mexcity > > > > > > > > >---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > >Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > >Date : Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT > > >From : LONESTYLE at aol.com > >To : gathering at misera.net > > > >That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works > >again! > > > >Cheers, > > > >~ Lonely Boy > > > > > >In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: > > > >Hi all, > > > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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URL: From fluwdot at earthlink.net Wed Oct 28 16:31:17 2009 From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:31:17 -0500 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information In-Reply-To: <20091028194544.49B40356ABE@mail-in-15.arcor-online.net> Message-ID: Andy is great but he came in when kj wasn't exactly creating their best. But in the right context it could be a great combo. For me, I would have john porter produce them again -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Marcel Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:46 PM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Do you happen to know if they're going to record with Andy Gill again? Don't worry I don't intend to stalk them - I'm in Germany - just curious... cheers Marcel GER At 20:36 28.10.2009, you wrote: >Send Gathering mailing list submissions to > gathering at misera.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gathering-request at misera.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > gathering-owner at misera.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Gathering digest..." > > >The Gathering - Digest > >Today's Topics: > > 1. [KJ] New Recording Information (Frenchy Frenzy) > 2. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Karen Weil) > 3. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Darren A. Peace) > 4. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Karen Weil) > 5. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (LONESTYLE at aol.com) > 6. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Javier Garcia) > 7. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (jon chapman) > 8. Re: [KJ] New Recording Information (Javier Garcia) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:04:40 +0100 >From: "Frenchy Frenzy" >Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: >Message-ID: <20091028180439.732812417F at requiem.osadm.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Hi all, > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:16:42 -0700 >From: "Karen Weil" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: <582B0F499B69425F94C60CDAC9ECB89A at edweil> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. >Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have >been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > >Cheers, > >K.Weil >SoCal >the States > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frenchy Frenzy > To: gathering at misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > Hi all, > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:19:31 +0000 >From: "Darren A. Peace" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >Message-ID: > <4D5120F6-4054-4D82-9D7D-F48E8BD1267D at suspiria.demon.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > >A timely reminder to take proactive steps to detect testicular cancer. >Thank you. > >Darren >Hungerford, UK > >On 28 Oct 2009, at 18:16, "Karen Weil" wrote: > > > Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. > > Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there have > > been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > > > > Cheers, > > > > K.Weil > > SoCal > > the States > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Frenchy Frenzy > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:21:38 -0700 >From: "Karen Weil" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >No, not those "boys." The actual band. But we do appreciate the >public service announcement. ; ) > >Me >Across the Pond > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darren A. Peace > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > A timely reminder to take proactive steps to detect testicular > cancer. Thank you. > > > Darren > Hungerford, UK > > On 28 Oct 2009, at 18:16, "Karen Weil" wrote: > > > Wow! That is the best news I've heard this week. Merci, Stephane. > Cannot wait to hear the results. Wonder if any Gatherers there > have been able to stop by and check on the Boys. ; ) > > Cheers, > > K.Weil > SoCal > the States > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frenchy Frenzy > To: gathering at misera.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > > > > Hi all, > > Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT >From: LONESTYLE at aol.com >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: gathering at misera.net >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works >again! > >Cheers, > >~ Lonely Boy > > >In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: > >Hi all, > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Javier Garcia" >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > >Message-ID: > ><20091028144818.HM.000000000000Cle at jagargal.mail-wwl12.bo3.lycos.com.lycos. com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:31:14 +0000 >From: jon chapman >Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >he sucks their cocks alot. > > > >Awesome news! and besides you're invited to check their work out at >the end of the recordings!?!?! What a nice gesture, isn't it? > >Javier >mexcity > > > > > > > > >---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > >Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information > >Date : Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:07 EDT > > >From : LONESTYLE at aol.com > >To : gathering at misera.net > > > >That is great news Stephane! Glad to hear they are back to the wood works > >again! > > > >Cheers, > > > >~ Lonely Boy > > > > > >In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:14:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >frenchyfrenzy at killingjoke.fr writes: > > > >Hi all, > > > >Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : > > > >-They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 > > > >-The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out > > > >I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) > > > >Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Gathering mailing list > >Gathering at misera.net > >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 28 16:46:02 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:46:02 -0700 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information References: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> Message-ID: And we want lots of details, too. Cheers, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" Just bring your own moist towelettes and try to be quiet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Frenchy Frenzy Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 5:05 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Oct 28 16:50:28 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:50:28 +1100 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information In-Reply-To: References: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> Message-ID: <4419F356EB2A4E9EAE11DA1C07B04714@Spazmatron> Bring a test tube and measure the ccs, distance and consistency. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 7:46 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information And we want lots of details, too. Cheers, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" Just bring your own moist towelettes and try to be quiet. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Frenchy Frenzy Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 5:05 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Hi all, Just had 2 emails from Big Paul Ferguson the last 2 days. : -They are recording in London from the 7 th nov till 20 th nov 2009 -The idea of playing in Paris for Jaz's award has been thrown out I am "welcome to come towards the end of the recording" ;o)))) Stephane "Frenchy Frenzy" _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.weil at sddt.com Wed Oct 28 16:58:49 2009 From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:58:49 -0700 Subject: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information References: <20091028180439.732812417F@requiem.osadm.net> <4419F356EB2A4E9EAE11DA1C07B04714@Spazmatron> Message-ID: <46592E3E440F41A982083AD1EDE5DE6E@edweil> Oh, and pictures -- many, many pictures. Don't forget to bring a nice bottle of champagne, too. k.w. SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information Bring a test tube and measure the ccs, distance and consistency. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 7:46 AM To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] New Recording Information And we want lots of details, too. Cheers, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Brendan To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the ban