[kj] fully ON topic - new tracks
Karen Weil
karen.weil at sddt.com
Fri Oct 9 14:12:56 EDT 2009
Ah, yes: Forgot about those ones. "Southern," I do not like at all. The others are fine.
k.w.
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From: Jerry Butson
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Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:30 AM
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Well neither Coleman nor JC001 are white, but Coleman just wasn't very good at it. JC001, however, plainly was. Come on...it ain't a white/black/asian thing...it just didn't suit KJ or Coleman solo (whichever way you look at it).
Ballads: A Southern Sky/Lanterns/My Love of This Land anyone?
2009/10/8 Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work
Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick white rap.
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM
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Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work.
Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal needed, however.
Cheers,
k.w.
SoCal
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From: Brendan
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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM
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I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone?
I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely.
I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone to find similar examples.
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM
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> making them verboten..
> is limiting..
> the song... harmed..
> without giving Geordie full reign.. [as opposed to... ]
Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some beautiful heights, I personally have never missed a guitar solo in any and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink**, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the song.
**HARMONICS: now there's something
I'd love to hear more of.
About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen KJ described in terms of metal.
I think as KJ "enthusiasts" all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and genre name.
That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project.
... ... ... ... ... ...
[looking at the current state of things..]
'Save me...
save me from Tomorrow..
I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'
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From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
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Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM
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I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though. Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever.
What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity, which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard.
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Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM
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There is a BIG difference between the metal they started out playing and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two!
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM
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They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career IMO, and for the better too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo
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Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM
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Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have influenced their direction.
I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs. Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more.
> From: karen.weil at sddt.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks
>
> Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially
> (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20
> years for it to happen.
>
> k.w.
>
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> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM
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>
> >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay
> > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and listening
> > to
> > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is a
> > tragedy.
> >
> > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the
> > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest
> > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the
> > time
> > of production.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the future,"
> > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and always).
> > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better, IMO.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > k.w.
> >
> >
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