[kj] More SICK of you so called gatherers than EVER!!!!!

Per G Olsson Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com
Sun Apr 25 10:01:40 EDT 2010


[Lurking mode off]

From what I gather (sic!), Michelle only reads the
digest. That means that she won't read any replies until after
everyone has stopped being pissed off by / forgotten all about her
posts... ...but then she'll strike again and there'll be another wave
of outbursts. This can go on for a long time...

But, DEAR MICHELLE, I could also whine about lots of
stuff that is being "discussed" here that I couldn't care less
about. But I belive this mailinglist is like being in the pub with a
dozen friends; some discussions you'll join in, others you find
uninteresting and instead get another pint, go to the loo or start up
a new discussion with someone. Killing Joke have a multifaceted
following and I'm actually glad that people think outside the box and
even promote their own favourite bands (as long as it doesn't hi-jack
the list). The last week’s mails made me vote for tracks on the next
Devo album (though it didn't sound as good as I would have hoped) and
caught up on Reatard (that I hadn't heard about - I wasn't impressed
though...).

Keep on rambling folks, just do it in at least a half-civilised manner.

/Per
[Lurking mode on]


25 apr 2010 kl. 14.09 skrev Alexander Smith:


>

> Okay, I'm going to take the bait for a second.

>

> Michelle: Here's the breakdown. Killing Joke have once again

> dangled the promise of new material and a new tour in front of us,

> but then cruel fate intervened (again) and postponed that. In the

> interim, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU HAVE US DISCUSS?

>

> Are we to sit around and make lists of our favorite bass parts in

> Killing Joke's catalog? Or should we compare and contrast our

> respective Killing Joke tattoos? Or should we wage yet another war

> of words of whether or not "Me or You" was the first misstep in

> their august catalog? Or maybe we should debate who the best

> Killing Joke roadie is/was? Or perhaps we should all guess how

> excellent the new album's going to be...? What exactly are your

> thoughts on these pressing mattes?

>

> My point is this: The Gathering has been fully operational for over

> a decade... and astonishingly, there's never been a lull in

> conversation. We've picked dry the subject of Killing Joke. We've

> discussed them in uber-detail from back to front. As such, IT MAKES

> PERFECT SENSE FOR US TO DISCUSS OTHER MATTERS.

>

> Moreover, we're perfectly entitled to air whatever grievances we

> may have with Killing Joke. We've put in the hours. Have you, I

> wonder? I certainly don't ever remember you chiming in back in the

> day.

>

> If you want to live in a little bubble of myopic sycophancy about

> Killing Joke, that's your choice, but DON'T PROJECT YOUR SURREALITY

> ON THE REST OF US!!!

>

> Oh yes, and FUCK OFF while you're at it.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

>

> On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Michelle Milarski wrote:

>

>> I didnt get away from all this shit last week like I needed to cos

>> of the volcanic ash in airspace.....so depressing..... and I come

>> on this site to hear something GOOD now n again......but AS

>> USUAL........ you are all talking about A LOAD OF

>> BOLLOCKS......why dont yous all just go n feck off n find some

>> other way of talking bout all your crap.....cos this is meant to

>> be a KILLING JOKE MESSAGE BOARD........n all ive ever read from

>> all you idiots is yous talking BAD of KJ and gossiping about every

>> other band under the sun!!!!!!!! n if you dont believe me, then

>> its about time yous looked back on all your conversations in the

>> last 2-3 moons!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE GATHERING OK.............what

>> do yous have to say about that?...oh.....I SIT IN WONDER!!!!!!!!

>> before you all start to slag me off again.....I DO REMEMBER

>> >.....the old board never used to be this full of bull!! Ive been

>> a dedicated fan for 25yr of my 40yr existence..........n even my

>> daughter cant believe the crap yous all talk about!!!

>> Yes its Michelle from Edinburgh again.....stirring up some REAL

>> emotions.......AS USUAL......but Im going to give up soon cos my

>> infection only seems to last a few weeks n then you all forget

>> about why you all talked of me originally.....but that seems to be

>> your mentality!!!

>> P.S. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE>>>>>>>>> no offense to the REAL

>> GATHERERS...of course!

>>

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>> > 1. Re: OT: The Damned (Bob Barathy)

>> > 2. Re: OT: The Damned (Bob Barathy)

>> > 3. Re: OT: The Damned (Alexander Smith)

>> > 4. Re: OT: The Damned (Leigh Newton)

>> > 5. Re: OT: The Damned (GREG SLAWSON)

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -

>> >

>> > Message: 1

>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:09:45 +0100

>> > From: "Bob Barathy" <bbarathy at btinternet.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Message-ID: <FOEJKEDNJGCPNDCAIOIJGEJNCEAA.bbarathy at btinternet.com>

>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>> >

>> > C90 cassettes - 'the way of the future'! LOL

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver

>> Sheppard

>> > Sent: 23 April 2010 18:11

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks.

>> >

>> > I have The Damned "Light at the End of the Tunnel" 2xCASSETTE

>> comp. via

>> > MCA Records of Damned stuff. I started getting into them when I was

>> > getting into skateboarding & cassette seemed the wave of the

>> future, so

>> > all my early stuff, like Machine Gun Etiquette, is all on cassette!

>> > (Where they make no distinction between bonus/added tracks (viz.

>> the

>> > racks with Lemmy on bass) and normal LP tracks).

>> >

>> > -0liver

>> >

>> > On 4/23/10 11:55 AM, Bob Barathy wrote:

>> > > If you haven't already, may I suggest a read of the Damned's

>> offial

>> > > biography 'The Light At The End Of The Tunnel' by Carol Clerk.

>> > > Very insightful.

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

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>> > Message: 2

>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:09:46 +0100

>> > From: "Bob Barathy" <bbarathy at btinternet.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Message-ID: <FOEJKEDNJGCPNDCAIOIJIEJNCEAA.bbarathy at btinternet.com>

>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>> >

>> > The Damned's last to albums (with the song writing talents of

>> Sensible) have

>> > been excellent recording too for me and even the mysterious I'm

>> Alright

>> > Jack... is a great album to listen to (but is it really The

>> Damned?)

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-

>> bounces at misera.net]On

>> > Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com

>> > Sent: 24 April 2010 14:54

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> > Both the Buzzcocks and SLF produced loads of great songs, but I

>> don't

>> > think they've displayed the breadth of talent that the Damned have.

>> > Admittedly, I haven't listened to either of them exhaustively,

>> so maybe I've

>> > missed the fantastic variety somewhere...

>> >

>> > However, if I had to choose (now) between seeing the Damned, the

>> > Buzzcocks, and SLF, it would be the latter every time.

>> >

>> > Jamie

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 4:18

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> > I know I'm in the minority, but from what little I've heard from

>> the

>> > Damned (but have seen them twice--early 80s and about 10 years

>> ago) they

>> > always

>> > seemed to be weak on the song writing (and from what I remember

>> of Lords

>> > they were weaker still). I wouldn't rank them up there w/

>> songwriting

>> > geniouses

>> > like Buzzcocks and SLF (Jake Burns), who've had amazing careers

>> (the only

>> > weak albums I've heard by either is the yellow Buzzcocks one

>> from the

>> > 90s -All Set, i think--and

>> > the other yellow one from SLF (Jump Street, i think).

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -------

>> > --

>> > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:49:31 -0500

>> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> > Jamie had the audacity to write:

>> >

>> > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and

>> MFP, and

>> > then James fucked off and did great things with the Lords, and

>> the Damned

>> > came into their own as one of the most original, talented, and

>> adventurous

>> > punk bands. Now that's what I call win-win."

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Me:

>> >

>> > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)

>> >

>> > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until

>> 1982 is

>> > flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for Pleasure_,

>> as far as I

>> > am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-perfect, post-Bryan James

>> > masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_, probably their greatest

>> overall LP. (I

>> > first heard MG on cassette with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus

>> tracks' put on,

>> > but they were NOT as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me

>> think

>> > Lemmy had been in The Damned briefly!)

>> >

>> > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned

>> were pretty

>> > much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when you

>> consider the time

>> > period/musical historica context/sociological blah blah blah,

>> etc. :)

>> >

>> > -0liver

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> > Message: 3

>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:10:44 -0400

>> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Message-ID: <537792C3-2121-4BEB-81B5-03FE64CF4BE6 at earthlink.net>

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>> >

>> >

>> > I haven't weighed in on this until now, but DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED

>> and

>> > MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE are both entirely unimpeachable. Did they

>> make

>> > some patchy albums after that? Certainly, but those two are

>> flawless

>> > in my book.

>> >

>> > Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:50 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>> >

>> > > Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Damned Damned Damned, and

>> bits

>> > > of MFP. But are they great albums? Personally, I don't think so.

>> > > (And yes, I'm aware of period, etc etc.)

>> > >

>> > > Conversely, the breadth of songs and talent on display in MGE,

>> TBA,

>> > > and Straweberries (and the Friday the 13th EP, and the many

>> singles,

>> > > b-sides, etc) was a game-changer for punk. And as somebody

>> else has

>> > > just said, the first Lords album is an absolute blinder as well

>> > > (albeit nothing like as original as MGE etc). So for me the

>> > > departure of James was fantastic news: the Damned were a

>> different -

>> > > and much better - band without him, and I enjoyed him more in the

>> > > Lords than in the Damned.

>> > >

>> > > Jamie

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > -----Original Message-----

>> > > From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

>> > > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> <gathering at misera.net

>> > > >

>> > > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 2:49

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > >

>> > > Jamie had the audacity to write:

>> > >

>> > > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and

>> MFP,

>> > > and then James fucked off and did great things with the Lords,

>> and

>> > > the Damned came into their own as one of the most original,

>> > > talented, and adventurous punk bands. Now that's what I call win-

>> > > win."

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Me:

>> > >

>> > > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)

>> > >

>> > > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did

>> until 1982

>> > > is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for

>> Pleasure_, as

>> > > far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-perfect, post-

>> > > Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_, probably their

>> > > greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette with the

>> "Lemmy

>> > > on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were NOT as listed bonus

>> > > tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had been in The Damned

>> > > briefly!)

>> > >

>> > > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned

>> were

>> > > pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when you

>> > > consider the time period/musical historica context/

>> sociological blah

>> > > blah blah, etc. :)

>> > >

>> > > -0liver

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>> > Message: 4

>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:29:46 -0700 (PDT)

>> > From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Message-ID: <285198.79403.qm at web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

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>> >

>> > I'd say they get a "get-out-of-jail-free" card for life just

>> based on New Rose alone. Never mind Neat, Neat, Neat, Born to

>> Kill, Fan Club....

>> >

>> > Leigh

>> > ?http://www.nightruiner.com

>> > http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope

>> > http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 12:10:44 PM

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I haven't weighed in on this until now, but DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED

>> and MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE are both entirely unimpeachable. Did

>> they make some patchy albums after that? Certainly, but those two

>> are flawless in my book.

>> >

>> > Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:50 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>> >

>> > Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Damned Damned Damned, and

>> bits of MFP.? But are they great albums?? Personally, I don't

>> think so.? (And yes, I'm aware of period, etc etc.)

>> > >

>> > >Conversely, the breadth of songs and talent on display in MGE,

>> TBA, and Straweberries (and the Friday the 13th EP, and the many

>> singles, b-sides, etc) was a game-changer for punk.? And as

>> somebody else has just said, the first Lords album is an absolute

>> blinder as well (albeit nothing like as original as MGE etc).? So

>> for me the departure of James was fantastic news: the Damned were

>> a different - and much better - band without him, and I enjoyed

>> him more in the Lords than in the Damned.

>> > >

>> > >Jamie

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >-----Original Message-----

>> > >From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

>> > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> > >Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 2:49

>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >Jamie had the audacity to write:

>> > >

>> > >"The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and

>> MFP, and then James fucked off and did great things with the

>> Lords, and the Damned came into their own as one of the most

>> original, talented, and adventurous punk bands.? Now that's what I

>> call win-win."

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >Me:

>> > >

>> > >Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)

>> > >

>> > >Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until

>> 1982 is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for

>> Pleasure_, as far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-

>> perfect, post-Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_,

>> probably their greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette

>> with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were? NOT

>> as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had

>> been in The Damned briefly!)

>> > >

>> > >Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned

>> were pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when

>> you consider the time period/musical historica context/

>> sociological blah blah blah, etc. :)

>> > >

>> > >-0liver

>> > >

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>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:51:27 -0400

>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

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>> >

>> > True, the Damned seem to have different styles, and SLF and

>> Buzzcocks make less varied music.

>> >

>> > After listening to clips from The Black Album, that seems like a

>> pretty good one by the Damned...

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:39 -0400

>> > From: jpwhkj at aol.com

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> > Both the Buzzcocks and SLF produced loads of great songs, but I

>> don't think they've displayed the breadth of talent that the

>> Damned have. Admittedly, I haven't listened to either of them

>> exhaustively, so maybe I've missed the fantastic variety somewhere...

>> >

>> > However, if I had to choose (now) between seeing the Damned, the

>> Buzzcocks, and SLF, it would be the latter every time.

>> >

>> > Jamie

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 4:18

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I know I'm in the minority, but from what little I've heard from

>> the Damned (but have seen them twice--early 80s and about 10 years

>> ago) they always

>> > seemed to be weak on the song writing (and from what I remember

>> of Lords they were weaker still). I wouldn't rank them up there w/

>> songwriting geniouses

>> > like Buzzcocks and SLF (Jake Burns), who've had amazing careers

>> (the only weak albums I've heard by either is the yellow Buzzcocks

>> one from the 90s -All Set, i think--and

>> > the other yellow one from SLF (Jump Street, i think).

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:49:31 -0500

>> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned

>> >

>> > Jamie had the audacity to write:

>> >

>> > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and

>> MFP, and then James fucked off and did great things with the

>> Lords, and the Damned came into their own as one of the most

>> original, talented, and adventurous punk bands. Now that's what I

>> call win-win."

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Me:

>> >

>> > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)

>> >

>> > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until

>> 1982 is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for

>> Pleasure_, as far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-

>> perfect, post-Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_,

>> probably their greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette

>> with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were NOT

>> as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had

>> been in The Damned briefly!)

>> >

>> > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned

>> were pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when

>> you consider the time period/musical historica context/

>> sociological blah blah blah, etc. :)

>> >

>> > -0liver

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from

>> your inbox. Get started. =

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