[kj] NYC Reviews? sound issues

[Karen Weil]

Great idea, sade1:  Can you get us flight discounts?

k.w.
SoCal

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  From: sade1 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:25 PM
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  Why don't we just have a Gatherers' Killing Joke Concert? We can have it along the side of a Glacier and get a nice sound bounce off the massive ice wall. All the sound techs and other cognoscenti here can run it and make every song scream cosmic.  You are all herenow hired forthwith! Visas and passports will be handled and given out shortly. I shall cover the expenses (someone give me an estimate, please..), all TSA inspections will be waived for Gatherers, their +1s,  and all their soundstage gear. 
  Geordie, Big Paul, Youth and Jaz will be interviewed (in that order) before the show AND to our collective satisfaction and the setlist will be determined ONLINE! Yes, albums will be weighted accordingly: Revelations/FireDances/Extremities,Dirt,etc.etc.= +3, Democracy/Pandemonium/WTF?/KJ2003/AD = +2, rare singles like ANewDay/UniverseB/etc.etc. also = +2; all other albums will be +1.

  I will consult with the US State Dept. and all relevant nations' embassies to coordinate legalities and logistics. But if the National Security Council weighs in, guys, all bets are off. 









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  From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 4:43:47 PM
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  It used to be that bands were mixed with the vocals as the dominant and the other instruments are added to fill in. these days drums are the focal point of a mix, where you might be able to hear the ting off the bell on the ride cymbol or the drummers flatulations better than the guitar or the lead vocalist.



  But with bass it is even worse these days, as the instrument Is pumped through the PA,  when that sound from the bass reaches the speakers it is out of phase ( out of time ) with the sound coming from the bass amplifier on stage. Phase cancellation occurs at this point which renders the bass frequencies into an incongruent mass of mud.



  The bass issue can be solved by a soundperson using a phase aligner that will delay the bass sound coming from the PA until it matches the throw of the bass frequencies coming from the stage bass amplifier. This is very rear to find sound techs who comprehend such a simple notion however.



  Solving the drums being the center of the mix issue is easy as well. Just mix the drums to follow the vocals and guitar in amplified intensity and the mix will be remarkably clear and punchy and powerful.



         

     




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  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ceplaster at aol.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:52 PM
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  I respectfully disagree with the one-note live band thing.   While they absolutely are a loud live band,   the one-note thing comes as much from the sound man as it does from them.  At last nights show in Boston ,    There was more dimensionality coming off the stage than was coming through the pa.   As far as live mixing goes, the more you try to push guitar and bass guitar so you can really hear what they are doing, the more complicated the mixing gets.  A lot of live sound guys avoid that so that their mixes sound cleaner and more "pro", at least to them.  Also, the bigger the venue, the messier guitar heavy mixes start to sound.  There is definitely an art to mixing this way, and it is not the easiest way to mix a band.    In any case, with KJ, if the guitar and the bass aren't mixed loud and clear, you miss a lot of what is going on.       - CP



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  From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
  To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:45 pm
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  I think another issue w/the set lists is live, KJ are somewhat a different being than on record. They've recored albums w/several different
  not just styles, but moods, feels, attitiudes, etc (for ex, the weird dissonance of Revelations, the accessibility of BTATS, the arty hard rock of Extremities,
  the trance/metal of Pandemonium, the ultra serious apocalyptic metal of 2003, etc. BUt live they're a one-note band--all about the volume, force, 
  wall of sound, catharsis. So they tend to pick the songs for live shows that fit w/that!
   


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  Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:41:08 +0000
  From: phil.tofield at virgin.net
  To: gathering at misera.net
  Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

  Spot on...



  unlikely though

  On 5 December 2010 22:34, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:



  Just once .... I'd love to hear "Chop Chop" and "Let's All Go (To the Fire Dances)". Just once.



  Alex in NYC





  On Dec 5, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Wessidetempest wrote:



    They did do king and queens on pandemonium tour. 

    Devils advocate here. 

    They toured the shit out of extremities before and after the album came out. So maybe they're sick of it. 

    I took would like stuff off of revelations. 

    Don't really care about wardance much anymore. Requiem still gives me chills. I still live the guitar and keyboard riff. I'm glad they arenfinally easing up on pandemonium. I liked 2003 so id prefer  something other then asteroid. Hell give me one song off of hosannas just because we never got it in the states. 



    Oh well. Beggars can't be choosers. But beggars can be gatherers. 



    Chris


    On Dec 5, 2010, at 3:43 PM, PHIL TOFIELD <phil.tofield at virgin.net> wrote:

      It kind of pisses me off that they seem to completely disregard about 90% of their back catalogue now. Nothing from Revelations, nothing from Fire Dances, nothing from Brighter, nothing from Extremities (I never really liked Extremities era, but Termite Mound was great live), nothing from OTG (cough....), nothing from Democracy....



      It would be good if they'd throw in a couple of curve-balls now and again though, Darkness Before Dawn, Song and Dance, The Hum, Twilight of the Mortals, Kings and Queens, Pandys, the full rap version of Stay One Jump Ahead....



      (ok strike that last one...)

      Im not complaining, its great that they are still touring and are still sounding so good live, but do they absolutely have to play Wardance/Pssyche/Requiem et al. at every single gig? A bit of variety from the back catalogue wouldn't go amis.



      Good to hear that the gigs are going down well over the pond.



      On 5 December 2010 13:47, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:



      I know Youth didn't play on the album, but would it KILL the band to play a track off of FIRE DANCES? Youth didn't play on NIGHTTIME and they still do "Love Like Blood" and "Eighties." 



      Alex in NYC







      On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:55 PM, sade1 wrote:



        Same here.

        Though I'm not thrilled by that setlist (30 fuckin' years[32+!!]of work and that's what they choose??) I will prolly go see them because I am getting the impression this will be the last time we will see them Live.






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        From: "LONESTYLE at aol.com" <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
        To: gathering at misera.net
        Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:00:47 PM
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        Alex,





        That will be us too when they play LA. Just enough time for a pee and a drink plus  maybe a smoke too if we are lucky. ;) HA!





        ~ LB







        In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:54:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

          "This World Hell" was my going-to-the-men's-room-then-getting-another-beer song.







            In a message dated 12/4/2010 8:34:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

              SET LIST.
               
              Tomorrow's World
              Love Like Blood
              Absolute Dissent
              Wardance
              In Excelsis
              Bloodsport
              European Superstate
              Madness
              Fall of Because
              Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove
              Eighties
              The Great Cull
              The Wait
              This World Hell
              Requiem
              Asteroid
              Pssyche

              Change
              Complications
              Pandemonium



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