[kj] The war criminal Blair ?

[Karen Weil]

Thank you, Brendan. Unfortunately, often the U.S. foreign policy when it comes to dictators is, "He may be an SOB -- but he's our SOB."
The works for only so long -- until the SOB turns on us -- and no one can figure out why, even though -- especially in the case of Saddam -- the signals were there all along. 

K.W.
the States 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brendan 
  To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
  Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?


  Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were US sponsored nutcases in the first place, I don't know how anyone in the US can trust their govt in the slightest and I can sympathise with the current unprecedented level of dissatisfaction with govt (Dem or Republican it doesn't really make any difference). Look out if the economy heads back down again cos Americans are justifiably pretty pissed off with spending trillions to bail out banks, and on wars to suppress problems they've paid their govt to lie about and create with their tax dollars for the last few decades.

   

  http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

   

   

  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
  Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 8:08 AM
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?

   

  That - hypothetically - iRaq may have invaded anyway and - hypothetically - would've started a war doesn't deny that the U.S. in fact did go ahead and greenlight Saddam's real, actual invasion. We'll never know, except for what actually did happen and how it happened. And a greenlight is a greenlight.

   

  The original point by Fluke was whether Gulf War 1 was legal, so only real actions can be judged, not hypothetical "he-would've-done-so-anyway" suppositions.  The can law only address real, manifest actions and motives, and nothing else. 

  So the guilty parties have been proven to be Kuwait, iRaq, and the U.S. It's been established fact almost since GW1 was over and off the media radar.


   

  ... ... ... ... ... ... 


  [looking at the current state of things..]

   

  'Who has the fun.. 

    ..is it always a man with a gun...? 

      Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat" 

   

   


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  From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 12:27:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?

        Yeah, 'cos Hussein hung on the words of the US ambassador all the time. You can tell from the way he withdrew his troops from Kuwait when told to and co-operated fully with UN weapons inspectors.

         

        Oh wai- 

        --- On Mon, 15/2/10, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

          > The First Gulf war was legitimate 

           

             I remember reading that, among a huge yarnball of issues/smokescreens, the Kuwaitis (w/u.s. wink & nods)  drilled for oil on the iRaq side of the border with slanted-drilling gear on the Kuwaiti side (w/Brit. gear, confirmed by the manufacturer using said gear's serial numbers) - an illegal act of sovereign theft. 

             Then, when Saddam Hussein (after receiving from u.s. $3bil in agri-loans [read, military]) asked the US ambassador Glaspie the U.S. position on his plans to face off w/Kuwait, madame Ambassador (ambassatrix?) said, "the U.S. has no opinion on Arab/Arab conflicts..." Talk about greenlighting a tyrant to do whatever he wants, that was it. 

           

            So, basically, um, "somebody" was being 'Michael Vick' there, baiting both sides in order to get a damn good fight, and a boatoad of ill-gotten gains, out of the whole thing.

           

          We've been living a hoax. someone's got us sussed.

           

          ... ... ... ... ... ... 


          [looking at the current state of things..]

           

          'Who has the fun.. 

            ..is it always a man with a gun...? 

              Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat" 

           

           


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          From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>
          To: gathering at misera.net
          Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 12:20:19 AM
          Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?

           
           
          The First Gulf war was legitimate , one of the conditions of the ceasefire agreement was that U.N. weapons inspectors can have full access to Iraq anytime they like and they can go where ever they wanted .
            Saddam refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors into to some sites in Iraq .
          This contravenes the ceasefire agreement and thus the second Gulf War was legitimate.
           
           


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          From: concrete_cookie at hotmail.com
          To: gathering at misera.net
          Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:16:39 -0800
          Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?

          He just told you what war crimes Tony Blair committed

          a war crime is:
          starting a war based on a lie


          get it?  






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          From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
          To: gathering at misera.net
          Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:19:35 +0000
          Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?

          What war crimes did Tony Blair commit ?
           
          A war crime is :
          Dressing up in an enemies uniform
          Killing prisoners
          Not feeding prisoners
          And there are a few other things that constitute a war crime. 
          Do tell me why Tony Blair falls into the War criminal  category.
           
           
           

           
          > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:42:40 -0600
          > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
          > To: gathering at misera.net
          > Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?
          > 
          > Tony Blair IS a war criminal. I am with Jaz on this one. (So are Bush, 
          > Cheney, Rumsfed, et.al, by the way.)
          > 
          > That isn't irrational, emotional hyperbole. It's a juridical fact.
          > 
          > The Nuremberg Principles, established by the US and its allies (England, 
          > etc.) laid out clearly what constitutes a war crime.
          > 
          > For ex.:
          > 
          > Principle I. Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime 
          > under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.
          > 
          > Principle II. The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for 
          > an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not 
          > relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under 
          > international law.
          > 
          > Principle III. The fact that a person who committed an act which 
          > constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or 
          > responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility 
          > under international law.
          > 
          > The invasion of subsequent horror show in Iraq violated several UN laws. 
          > The UN is a treaty of the U.S. and UK and is is int'l law - or , at 
          > least, it is suppoosed to be regarded as such Not just invoked when 
          > convenient by war hawks in first world countries.
          > 
          > Also see:
          > 
          > 
          > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles
          > 
          > 
          > We could Nuremberg Principles selectively, sat, only to Japan and 
          > Germany ca. 1945 - but God forbid they actually apply to our heads of 
          > state as well! Blair, Bush, Cheney, and their enablers are all war 
          > criminals.
          > 
          > -Oliver
          > 
          > 
          > 
          > Floren Luke wrote:
          > > 
          > > You fit the definition of a troll .
          > > You made no contribution to the subject, you just name call.
          > > You are the troll
          > > 
          > > 
          > > 
          > > 
          > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
          > > From: dpeace at bigfoot.com
          > > To: gathering at misera.net
          > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:16:54 +0000
          > > Subject: Re: [kj] The war criminal Blair ?
          > >
          > > Troll.
          > >
          > > 
          > >
          > > Darren
          > >
          > > Hungerford, UK
          > >
          > > 
          > >
          > >
          > 
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