[kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

[GREG SLAWSON]

Yes, I think you're on the right track. There is of course a wide range of "human nature" behaviors, very little of them due purely to genes, and much of thems based on upbringing/environment/social norms/prenatal condidtions, etc.
 


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:41:02 -0800
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!







> I don't buy the 'Human Nature' argument at all!  


 
   Maybe not as some wield that argument, but, that all said, self-preservation/survival, empathy, sympathy, love, affection, cooperation/collective orientation (cuz we're pack animals), the individual/collective physiological responses to both good deeds and bad events are all part of 'human nature.'  
   Now, it's how those things get acted out that has alot to do with people's upbringing, and it's that 'acting out' that people use to slam the 'human nature' angle, and keeps people from looking even further and into individual's/collective "source code" (upbringing or lack of).
 
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Who has the fun.. 
  ..is it always a man with a gun...? 
    Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat" 






From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!



Below is probably the most often repeated reason for why communism "would never work". I challenge you ask most biologists what really IS human nature. Very little human behaviour can be attributed to "human nature" (ie., genes). How else do you explain, for example, hugely different behaviours in different societies (matriarchal ones, for example), enormously varied behavior between individuals (e.g., most of us have never hurt an ant, but Bush/Chaney/Obama etc have killed millions), and again huge differences in the behviour of even the SAME human in different situations (many of us don't even realize what me might do in the case of a disaster, for example--jumping in a river to save drowning people, etc). 
I don't buy the 'Human Nature' argument at all!
 

> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:37:15 +1300

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

> 

> "Doesn't really jibe with human nature"

> 

> Which is bloody strange when you consider that religion does...

> 

> 

> Communism: A nice idea on paper, but in real life ... not so much. Doesn't

> > really jibe with human nature.

> >

> > k.w.

> > SoCal

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: sade1

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:21 PM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

> >

> >

> > Assuming Ultimate Communism would encourage everyone to be

> > "exceptional," were it to succeed and everyone became

> > "exceptional"... how would anyone be exceptional? Exceptional being a

> > relative term, is there some explanation of "exceptional" (as in, in

> > relation to what?) that would still hold?

> > Because if everyone had Bill Gates' money, a philosopher's depth, and

> > the health of a base-jumping 130-year-old twice-reincarnated Himalay

> > Sherpa, no one could possibly be exceptional.

> >

> >

> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

> >

> > [looking at the current state of things..]

> >

> > 'Who has the fun..

> > ..is it always a man with a gun...?

> > Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 10:49:12 AM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

> >

> > Communism would encourage people to be "exceptional". It says nothing

> > about going over people's needs. And yes, no country has got it

> > right yet (it's only been about 100 years--a short time by historical

> > standards).

> > And as for your "it will never work b/c all people care about is $"

> > beliefs, why are thousands flooding into Haiti, mostly unpaid, to help?

> >

> >

> >

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> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:50:01 -0500

> > From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

> >

> > Right on!

> >

> > If only we all lived in Imaginary Communist Land (because it seems that

> > no one can ever get it right and communism has never

> > ever existed) things would be so much better and we'd all be happy,

> > joyful, thoughtless providers to the betterment of man kind.

> >

> > Should anyone choose to be exceptional we will just maim them till they

> > are EQUAL with all the others. Should anyone want more than

> > what is deemed acceptable to them... Ohhhh boy! I pity the fool!

> >

> > Greg, I do hope that your salary does not go one penny over your needs

> > and that if you ever had or will have a pay raise

> > you will promptly denounce it and threaten your employer with

> > resignation.

> >

> > FIGHT THE POWER MUTHAFUCKAS!

> >

> > At 03:03 PM 2/13/2010, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

> >

> > Unfortunately the march toward war doen't depend entirely on who's

> > pres or PM. It stems from the competition between nations over

> > markets,

> > resources, cheap labor, etc. Obama has already stepped up the Afghan

> > war (where the US wants to build an oil pipeline w/o Taliban

> > interference), and

> > has not withdrawn troops from Iraq any faster than Bush would have. As

> > long as capitalism exists, WWIII will be on it's way (w/China?)...

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:39:38 +0000

> > From: adrianwason at btinternet.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: [kj] New Topic The war criminal Blair must pay!

> >

> > I dont know how many of the gathering outside the UK have heard about

> > the latest bollocks enquiry about tony & george's ego trip but I found

> > it alarming how much blair mentioned Iran.My motto is attack is the

> > best form of defence but it has to be organised.

> >

> > Can anyone imagine what would have happened if these 2 clowns were

> > left in power. I never ever thought I would say this but thank God

> > america can get rid of it's idiots after their terms.

> >

> > If George & Tony were still in power WW3 would be just around the

> > corner. In the Uk now we have a one eyed grumpy disorganised

> > threatining(to his staff) totally fiscally incompetent person who

> > inherited a good economic base and has totally fucked it up & the

> > USA-who knows.

> >

> > But thank God it's not Cuba otherwise we could have those simpletons

> > in for life.

> >

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