[kj] KJ in China?

[Karen Weil]

Somewhere, Dr. Seuss is crying. ; ) 


k.w.
SoCal
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  From: sade1 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:08 AM
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  Apparently "the People's wisdom" comes to the fore as 
  China has its own oil spill, and their answer is to use straw 
  mats and.. -- wait for it -- waaiiit for it -- chopsticks! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_china_pipeline_explosion

   


  ... ... ... ... ... ... 

  [looking at the current state of things..]

  'Who has the fun.. 
    ..is it always a man with a gun...? 
      Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat" 





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  From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:39:09 PM
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  Ooops!


  And you could say the same of the UK USA Australian govts too ( feel free to add to the lists). 


  All regimes elected or otherwise, corrupt themselves the very moment they get into office. 


  Want to talk about Human Rights? Why the fuck is Guantanamo bay still open? Why is there a warehouse full
  of people who want asylum less than 10 miles from my house?
  Why are so called civilized nations still putting people to death for their crimes?
  Why did the UK govt lie and lie and lie about Iraq and the economy. 




  Our problem in the west is that we can't accept failure or criticism. 


  Why do people have such a downer on China? Without it We are all fucked! 


  Sure China ain't perfect but it's a whole lot better than it was. It's moving forwards whilst I sometimes think we are running backwards. 


  By the way, my name translated into Chinese and then back again comes out as Raspberry Hair mousse. 
  Those that know me will see the irony!!







  On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


          The pre-80s era was also characterized by massive human rights violations, insane and counterproductive business practices and corruption on a immense scale.

          (To be fair, they've partially managed to sort out the business practices issue).

          Oh, and let's not forget the Chinese government's fondness for lying through their teeth about their 'successes'.

          Jim. 

          --- On Tue, 20/7/10, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

            Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather
            than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population (creating a phonetic alphabet helped).
            Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of communist period:
            "Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement; "Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist
            who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular vote
            in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership). There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who
            witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what 
            seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.
             

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            From: karen.weil at sddt.com
            To: gathering at misera.net
            Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700
            Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


            In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals were introduced in the early 80s.
            Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable. 

            K.W. 
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              From: folk devil 
              To: gathering at misera.net 
              Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:43 PM
              Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


              was it ever? 
               

               

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              From: karen.weil at sddt.com
              To: gathering at misera.net
              Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700
              Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


              Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore. 


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