[kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics

[sade1]

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From: Matthew Burke <marsboy1 at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 4:19:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics

I just can't get this kind of satisfaction out of Facebook.  Thanks Gathering!



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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:19:37 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics


Good one. Hadn't really thought of it all that way..
 
I still hate da' basterds. Put the Bhopal people with the BP a-holes and give them 7 years' hard labor at the Chernobyl People's Farm and make them live off the land. That would be totally rad (lots of it).
Or here: http://www.truthout.org/120308C
 

 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Who has the fun.. 
  ..is it always a man with a gun...? 
    Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat" 




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From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:59:24 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics


It’s not entirely the scientists’ fault, this situation stems in part from the patent and copyright laws, which are proving an unsatisfactory tool with which to try and shoehorn certain kinds of technical & scientific research. Similar to how the privacy laws are having issues with the tech giants’ access to customer information, and their own copyright issues with the ease of digital replication and transmission. 
 
The specific problem for scientists is that there’s not enough govt funding for all the research they want to do, so much of it is done by private corporations and the like (inc commercial offshoots of educational institutes). There is a disincentive to conduct expensive research to isolate & study the effects of genes, if that information is freely & instantly available to competitors. In which case it would often put the company that did the research into the worst position in the market – everyone gets the fruits of their research and they bear the cost. The first to market advantage with products from genetic research isn’t significant, when there are that many labs around the world capable of using the research to bring products / services to the market quickly.
 
The question in some cases is – are you patenting the genes themselves (in some cases they are, which I agree is stupid), or the methods used to extract the genes.
 
It’s an area that needs a lot of tidying up, but from what I gather it stems from the uneasy collaboration of scientists and corporate, and the existing laws around patent which weren’t designed to cover genetics.
 
From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Burke
Sent: Monday, 7 June 2010 4:23 PM
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics
 
Forgive my conspiracy theory hair-trigger, but any time I see a story that involves genetic engineering I'll take the scientist's name and google it with the word eugenics, often to interesting results.  

I found this about Craig Venter on a site called oldthinkernews.com (and it does include links to back its claims).  

And to come full circle with Sade's comments at the start of this thread, the world IS being run by sociopaths, and like all ruling sociopaths since the beginning of history they want to be God, and what better place for a budding all-knowing being than to be manipulating the very structure of humanity . . . (you can use my google trick with any name or institution mentioned in this article for extra credit)

Craig Venter caused many to question his ethics when he moved to found Celera Genomics in 1998, carrying the study of the human genome into the private sector, using the "shotgun strategy" to sequence the human genome at a faster clip than the public project.  
In a press release dated March 1, 2001, Celera Genomics announced that it signed a "multi-year agreement" with AMDeC LLC to "allow member institutions to access Celera's database information [Human Genome data] through its Celera Discovery System." Some of those member institutions included Rockefeller University, and Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Interestingly, Rockefeller University was founded by John D. Rockefeller in 1901 with a dedication to biomedical research. Today, David Rockefeller, grandson to John D. Rockefeller Jr., is the Chairman of the Rockefeller University Council. 
Venter further maddened fellow scientists when he moved to patent human genes. Serious ethical discussions took place after the first attempts to patent human genes, but ultimately the decision stood to allow patenting. The United States Patent and Trademark Office issued guidelines on patenting. The American Medical Association describes the guidelines,
 
"The rules are intended to help end a bitter debate on gene patenting. These regulations have put to rest any question about whether genes can be patented at all -- making it clear that companies may indeed patent both whole genes as well as pieces of genes..."
 
The guidelines allow patenting when the those applying for a patent on a gene show a "utility" for the gene. The AMA goes on to state that arguments were heard opposing the decision based on the fact that these genes were not created by anyone, and thus could not be patented. The AMA describes how the Patent office rejected these ideas,
 
"The PTO firmly rejected this notion based upon the fact that a gene may be removed from a person, then a clone of that gene may be made in a machine, which is then not a part of nature, but a product of the lab."
 
A search in the online patent database for "human genes" yields an astonishing 159021 results as of August 2007.



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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:12:52 +1000
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics
First synthetic cell created, not from scratch but using a host cell and swapping the DNA with a DNA sequence made in the lab. Craig Venter is the guy behind it, same guy responsible for heading the team which sequenced the human genome about 10 years ago. He wants to create organisms which will produce energy, food, soak up carbon...
 
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/45921/Artificial_life_breakthrough_announced____WTF___/
 
 
From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of bongo
Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 12:37 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics
 
I hear tell, that the powers that be want to use this as an excuse to pass a bill or something to allow them to create artificial life to help them solve this problem... they could mop it all up with hay/grass clippings, but they would rather engineer something in the lab... anyone hear anything similar..??


"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been postponed indefinitely..."
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
[cue intro to Butcher]
 
Eerily, similar...
 
 
http://www.mmdtkw.org/ALRIVes0223MaiuriCast.jpg
 
http://image57.webshots.com/57/6/35/35/472763535nNFXoP_fs.jpg
 
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/4437975-Statues_and_Amphoreas-Pompeii.jpg
 
 
http://www.sustainabilityninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/oil-spill.jpg
 
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID5738/slideshows/100604075817oilturtle5star.jpg
 
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID5738/slideshows/100604195339DolphinHornIsland.jpg
 
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID5738/slideshows/100604075815seabird15.jpg
 
 
 
 

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From:Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent:Thu, June 3, 2010 6:50:27 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics
 
Heartbreaking. Makes me sick. 
 
 
k.w.
SoCal 
 
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>From:sade1 

>To:Gathering 

>Sent:Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:02 PM

>Subject:[kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics

> 

>No, these are not sepia-toned, nostalgic pictures of pristine wildlife and wetlands from before the time of Man, no..

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>http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/US/06/03/gulf.oil.spill/t1main.oil.birds.cnn.jpg

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> http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/060310_gulfoilpelican1_copy_20100603_170345.jpg

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>Is it just me or doesn't really seem that they are killing Life itself, as I watch on the tv news as the little creatures stagger along the bottom of the tidepools and just stop, for good. 

> 

>(I was more than happy to endure when BP merely meant "BritPop)

> 

>Curious question here: isn't the silence of the other Oil Companies deafening, as I've heard NONE of them offering any help, technology, or other assistance throughout this whole fiasco??

>                                                     "The waste expands, as their waists expand..."

> 

>In the last 3 years or so hasn't it become clear as a 1,000 suns now to all others beyond the proverbial Conspiracy-Theory "Cabal" that Big Bizness is nothing more and nothing less than a bona fide, unabashed, blatant and flagrante (no, really) combined sociopathic&"terra"-pathic effort?.. 

>                                                     "The liars are out - they have all the assets"

> 

>..Than the exercising of a sociopathic ideal?  And fed by so many who actively or vicariously/passive-aggressively urge it on, all for what, a paycheck, a secure "future"?

> 

>                                                     "Privatise the people's lives, 

>                                                                Be part of the company - or fade"

> 

>vid, (59 secs.)  http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/03/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

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