[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 82, Issue 68
Dominico C
dominicoc at hotmail.com
Sun Jun 13 22:58:58 EDT 2010
I have to agree - Times have changes and I think the "New Joke" are far better than I have seen in the past 15 years!
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> 1. Re: The trouble is...... (fluw)
> 2. Jaz intrviewed by his super-hot New Zealand daughter - found
> it! (B. Oliver Sheppard)
> 3. Re: The trouble is...... (B. Oliver Sheppard)
> 4. Re: The trouble is...... (bongo)
> 5. Re: The trouble is...... (fluw)
> 6. Re: The trouble is...... (fluw)
> 7. Re: The trouble is...... (B. Oliver Sheppard)
> 8. Re: The trouble is...... (Floren Luke)
> 9. Re: The trouble is...... (GREG SLAWSON)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:29:29 -0500
> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> Fluw said nothing of the sort,,it is "floren" that made the statement you
> are referring to.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
> Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:13 PM
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
>
> My point: I am tired of "time warp"-ism.
>
> Nothing new after a) 1973, b) 1984, c) 1995. If some new band chances to
> come after those dates, they get dismissed alltoo easily as being mere
> shadows of the EA shit that oler folks were lucky enough to experience
> in their prime. but if you were born later? Well, you missed out. Sorry.
>
> The original comment was, "You are all waiting for another 'Wardance'
> [1979] to come along," from fluw. Many, MANY, "Wardances" have come
> along since the
>
> -0liver
>
>
> On 6/13/10 6:02 PM, TB wrote:
> >
> > I think you both are throwing a lot of silly, baseless assumptions at
> large groups of people here based on often inaccurate
> > interpretations of a few people's comments.
> >
> > T.B.
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:36:26 -0500
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [kj] Jaz intrviewed by his super-hot New Zealand daughter -
> found it!
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/ExtendedVideo/tabid/315/articleID/60468/Default.aspx#video
>
> Great stuff. Jaz with his (hot) daughter. Awww. :)
>
> -0liver
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:38:32 -0500
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <4C156BF8.1040707 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> If it says "fluw" on the "reply to" thing, and if that's who the
> email/post is actually ascribed to, I reply to that person.
>
> I am not telepathic.
>
> -0liver
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/13/10 6:29 PM, fluw wrote:
> >
> > Fluw said nothing of the sort,,it is "floren" that made the statement you
> > are referring to.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:41:54 +1200
> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimXfYOSrebQrjeJF4WoFFirM-kja4kn98-ri2nv at mail.gmail.com>
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> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard <
> bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> The original comment was, "You are all waiting for another 'Wardance' [1979]
> > to come along," from fluw.
>
>
>
>
> from who?
>
> look again . . . =)
>
>
> ...and 'time-warp-isms' ?? perhaps re-read that first paragraph again...
>
> ":The trouble is that you are all expecting another "Wardance" to come
> along.
> You are all expecting each KJ release to have the same impact on you that
> Wardance did.
> Well, move on , times have changed . ":
>
> seems more like anti timewarp-isms...
>
>
>
> sounds like you have a sorepoint about being young and missing alot of the
> action!
>
> ah, those were the days, back then...
>
> =D
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:56:45 -0500
> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <E1ONx2q-0002ar-G0 at elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> Yes the "reply to" thing quoted floren in the cut yet you stated
> differently, that is all the point being made.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
> Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:39 PM
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
>
> If it says "fluw" on the "reply to" thing, and if that's who the
> email/post is actually ascribed to, I reply to that person.
>
> I am not telepathic.
>
> -0liver
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/13/10 6:29 PM, fluw wrote:
> >
> > Fluw said nothing of the sort,,it is "floren" that made the statement you
> > are referring to.
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:42 -0500
> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <E1ONx4j-0004sk-47 at elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> Danke bongo
>
> ; )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
> <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The original comment was, "You are all waiting for another 'Wardance' [1979]
> to come along," from fluw.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from who?
>
>
>
> look again . . . =)
>
>
>
>
>
> ...and 'time-warp-isms' ?? perhaps re-read that first paragraph again...
>
>
>
> ":The trouble is that you are all expecting another "Wardance" to come
> along.
>
> You are all expecting each KJ release to have the same impact on you that
> Wardance did.
> Well, move on , times have changed . ":
>
>
>
> seems more like anti timewarp-isms...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> sounds like you have a sorepoint about being young and missing alot of the
> action!
>
>
>
> ah, those were the days, back then...
>
>
>
> =D
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:57:43 -0500
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> I regret missing the '66 garage punk explosion!
>
> I regret missing many musical explosions. But i am also, like Ian
> MackHay, very much against a super-laserlike focus on nostalgic "back in
> the day"/"sucks to b you to be born too late"-type bullshit. Last night
> hex Dispnesers played with Eddy Current Suppression ring in Austin. Two
> blocks away GBH played. I loved (and still do like) GBH. But many pople
> are stuck in a time warp. ECSR + Hex Dispnersers kickedso much ass. And
> it it isn't an "oldies" tour.
>
> I am sore about missing a LOT of the action (Minor Threat, etc.) - but
> great music is still being layed. The GBH show sapped away a lot o the
> "right people" (the "body odor punk corwd," as I call them). So the
> ECSR/Hex Dispensers MODERN (post-)-punk show had a good crowd while the
> folks who who had their German shepherds went to GBH. THANK GOD. It's 2010.
>
> I do have a sore point about missing the "real" stuff - we all do no? I
> just hate older elder-elitist folks who insist it's all been done under
> the sun before. Give me a break.
>
> -0liver
>
>
> >
> > seems more like anti timewarp-isms...
> >
> >
> >
> > sounds like you have a sorepoint about being young and missing alot
> > of the action!
> >
> > ah, those were the days, back then...
> >
> > =D
> >
>
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:35:55 +0000
> From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
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> My point wasn't about the quality of the song, it was about how a person relates to said song .
>
> Songs from the era of Killings Jokes inception were actually a new genre and original and anything done after that in that genre is , to a certain degree, copyist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:12:50 -0500
> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> >
> > My point: I am tired of "time warp"-ism.
> >
> > Nothing new after a) 1973, b) 1984, c) 1995. If some new band chances to
> > come after those dates, they get dismissed alltoo easily as being mere
> > shadows of the EA shit that oler folks were lucky enough to experience
> > in their prime. but if you were born later? Well, you missed out. Sorry.
> >
> > The original comment was, "You are all waiting for another 'Wardance'
> > [1979] to come along," from fluw. Many, MANY, "Wardances" have come
> > along since the
> >
> > -0liver
> >
> >
> > On 6/13/10 6:02 PM, TB wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you both are throwing a lot of silly, baseless assumptions at large groups of people here based on often inaccurate
> > > interpretations of a few people's comments.
> > >
> > > T.B.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:12:36 -0400
> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
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> Good point. I see what Ollie and TB and others are saying-the music is as good or maybe even better that the "old days" but in the old days much of it was radically original, and
>
> there was a feeling in the air that is hard to replicate.
>
>
>
> From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:35:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
>
>
>
>
>
> My point wasn't about the quality of the song, it was about how a person relates to said song .
> Songs from the era of Killings Jokes inception were actually a new genre and original and anything done after that in that genre is , to a certain degree, copyist.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:12:50 -0500
> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] The trouble is......
> >
> > My point: I am tired of "time warp"-ism.
> >
> > Nothing new after a) 1973, b) 1984, c) 1995. If some new band chances to
> > come after those dates, they get dismissed alltoo easily as being mere
> > shadows of the EA shit that oler folks were lucky enough to experience
> > in their prime. but if you were born later? Well, you missed out. Sorry.
> >
> > The original comment was, "You are all waiting for another 'Wardance'
> > [1979] to come along," from fluw. Many, MANY, "Wardances" have come
> > along since the
> >
> > -0liver
> >
> >
> > On 6/13/10 6:02 PM, TB wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you both are throwing a lot of silly, baseless assumptions at large groups of people here based on often inaccurate
> > > interpretations of a few people's comments.
> > >
> > > T.B.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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