[kj] Don't Book Anything
Peter LAMB
Peter.Lamb at nottingham.edu.cn
Thu Mar 4 05:00:48 EST 2010
Got some news from a Joker in Prague who's been in touch with Jaz. Don't book anything is what Jaz has said.
Well pissed off....
Had some up with a great excuse to get out of work. I work in China. Flights are not cheap. Nevermind trains and accommodation.
I got ripped off with the Gems of Power. So not too happy about the slackness in them getting something definitive out to us.
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1. Re: Endgame(s)mix (bongo)
2. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal (bongo)
3. Re: Unacceptable (bongo)
4. Re: Tour Delay (jpwhkj at aol.com)
5. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal
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6. Re: Unacceptable (jpwhkj at aol.com)
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:21:25 +1300
From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Endgame(s)mix
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i'm curious how the guitar will sound in a cleaner version...
sounds like it *could* be magic!
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Then again, I bet if you netcasted some of their better mixed material
> from the past it would kick ass with none of the sonic short comings heard
> on endgames.
>
>
>
> This possibility is the inherent base of the fears for the mix of KJ 13
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Neil Perry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:04 AM
>
> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Endgame(s)mix
>
>
>
> Glad you all came out of the closet before me...
>
> After the initial excitement of a new song, I was distinctly
> underwhelmed, a large part of that because it sounded so 'orrible.
> Light and dark seems to have been replaced by a big bowl of mush.
>
> (And I'm not just saying this because I might now be having a meaningless
> 3 days in Prague for which I gave up my Iggy & Stooges London gig ticket
> because
> I couldn't afford the time and money for both, oh no, not at all).
>
> But like you say, it is an mp3 of a net broadcast - not exactly hi-fi.
> Like anything with KJ 2010, it seems, we have to wait and see.
>
> n
>
> On 3 March 2010 15:51, phil <phil.tofield at virgin.net> wrote:
>
> I totally agree. After reading most of the comments yesterday, I
> thought I must be the only one who thought the mix of this track is
> dreadfull. The drums dont sound like the tribal Big Paul of old, much
> more rocky than I was expecting. The bass, although its doing
> 'something', seems a bit lacking in punch and clarity. The whole thing
> reminds me of the mix on the last album - total wall of sound
> production with none of the individual instruments sitting within
> their own space in the mix. Like Marc & Todd said, it could be because
> its an mp3 ripped from a net radio station, which has squeezed the
> life out of this mix. I'll have to reserve judgement until I hear the
> final release, but from what Ive heard so far, it doesnt bode well.
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:12:44 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >I agree rob, terrible mix and hopefully it is merely a matter of us not
> >hearing the intended production source. But as all too often, almost
> always,
> >killing joke take the heavy handed approach to mixing and create an album
> >that has all the signatures of the producers attempting to blow the
> listener
> >away with a maelstrom of frequencies flooding each other out.
> >
> >
> >
> >What killing joke is not good at is understanding that less is more,
> >unfortunately, every record becomes more, and more, and more.
> >
> >
> >
> >some space in the mix would greatly increase the power of the aggregates
> for
> >the whole
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On
> >Behalf Of Rob Moss
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:49 AM
> >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Endgame(s)
> >
> >
> >
> >I know it's an MP3 grab from the radio and could be a rough mix, but I
> find
> >the whole mix very poor.
> >
> >Vocals don't come out, guitars rather fuzzy and drums very buried.
> >
> >
> >
> >Immense power though and a really great chorus. Goes round and round in my
> >head.
> >
> >
> >
> >B
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: Karen Weil
> >
> >Sent: 03/02/10 09:20 PM
> >
> >To: A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)
> >
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Endgame(s)
> >
> >B
> >
> >Hmmm. ... definitely not his more "tribalistic" sound, but I think he
> holds
> >his own.
> >
> >B
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >B
> >
> >k.w.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >From: Bob Barathy
> >
> >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:59 PM
> >
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Endgame(s)
> >
> >
> >
> >Yes many thanks guys. Love the guitar. Chorus is v strong but where are
> the
> >BIG BPF drums?! :-(
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
> ]On
> >Behalf Of ADRIAN WASON
> >Sent: 02 March 2010 20:20
> >To: gathering at misera.net
> >Subject: [kj] Endgame(s)
> >
> >massive thanks to Jon
> >
> >i've only listened once-first time saw video clipB ithought it was pure
> >firedances but it's a litle more sophisticated.
> >
> >everyone came in their pants when implant was 'leaked' but ther were only
> >another 2 tracks on that cd(D&R,BOYH)
> >
> >disagree with anyone who says it isB B way better than anything on
> >hosannas-title track /judas goat/universe b up their with best
> >
> >popping headphones on now for another go!
> >
> >
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From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in
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"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:56 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard <
bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Um, I'm actually really chill. Got a new prescription for Xanax today, in
> fact. :)
>
dude, fuck those corporation drugs!
you dont need em!
>
> Sorry I got you hot and bothered,
>
> --Oliver
>
>
> fluw wrote:
>
>> Oh chill out oliver you are reading way too much into the post. Just
>> relaying the harsh realty of an opening bands status.
>>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:40:34 +1300
From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable
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how hard is it for them to get a message to the gathering? FUCK ALL!
how many gatherers are out hundreds of dollars?
i'm angry at this and i aren't even in with a chance of seeing them! to me,
its just disrespectful.
there may yet surface legitimate reasons, but i doubt it. and if there are
legitimate reasons, why not LET US KNOW! one paragraph, or even one big
sentence would put our minds at rest, but will they extend this nicety?
DOUBTFUL.
think i'll just download the album when it comes out.........
=)
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Marcel <spooman at freenet.de> wrote:
> Aren't you being a little bit harsh? I do know this whole thing sucks big
> time, but what if they're having a serious problem? Some of them haven't led
> their lifes in the most healthiest manner...
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:31:07 -0500
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Which year?
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Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in
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That is *very* cool. Imagine Killing Joke doing that... you can't? Thought not.
PS One of the millions of times I saw the Minutemen, Mike Watt was making up the setlist on posterboard in their van before the show. He said "what songs do you want to hear"? and wrote down my answers on the set list. Cool.
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To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:05
Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal
THe best Flag show I ever saw was in Cleveland, 1982 perhaps. My friend (who didn't like punk) and Chuck Dukowski, from a maybe foot-high stage, heckled each other in between songs. Rollins, wearing LONG and BAGGY shorts and nothing else (of course), during a slow song (Damaged II?) crawled across the floor on his stomach for about 10 minutes, thru all the spilt beer, broken glass, etc. right thru the audience, which respectfully parted. The rest of the time the audience was swaying back & forth like big waves. At another show I saw Rollins loading the drum set into the van after the gig (no big expenses like roadies). I also went backstage before the show and told Greg Ginn that I never got my "My Rules" t-shirt that I'd mail ordered. He wrote down my name and address, put it in his guitar case, and a few weeks later I got my shirt in the mail. THey really were a band-o-the-people.
PS One of the millions of times I saw the Minutemen, Mike Watt was making up the setlist on posterboard in their van before the show. He said "what songs do you want to hear"? and wrote down my answers on the set list. Cool.
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:11:05 -0800
> From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal
>
> Black Flag certainly did suck after awhile. Rollins was a big part of it, I think, but not completely. His initial time in the band (the Damaged era) was shit-hot. Probably all the way up until Dez and Chuck Dukowski left the band. My War and every album that followed are all pretty terrible. It's not just Rollins though. I think Bill Stevenson and Kira are SO overrated in that band. I've never heard so much praise for such a stiff, awkward and boring rhythm section.
>
> Leigh
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "gath >> "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"" <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 11:56:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal
>
> I love Venom's 1st two albums, from like 1980 - 1982.
>
> But this was like 1985 when Venom had turned badly cheese metal wanky and also, to be fair, Black Flag were sucking big time at that time, too, in my opinion. Whenever the time was right before they ultimately broke up, somewhere around then.
>
> Henry "Rollins" Garfield was starting to bulk up, show up to shows with his new tats and muscles and long hair, and tiny sweaty black shorts and nothing else on, and singing songs like "Who's Got the 10 1/2". I hate that era of Black Flag with a passion. It was probably a pretty hilarious show,overall, to see wank-metal era Venom come on after Rollins and his tiny black shorts playing their shittiest songs.
>
> --Oliver
>
> Alex Smith wrote:
> > Let's not go cutting on Venom, shall we?
> >
> > My nextdoor neighbor is a Seattle transplant and told me some story of how Green River opened up for PiL in Seattle back in the good ol' days and Lydon treated them similarly shittily. When Green River informed the crowd of same, the audience turned on PiL viciously. This, I've heard tell, is the origin of the PiL song titled -- wait for it -- "Seattle."
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:38:57 -0500
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I thought the, er, joke about propping Geordie up on stage was fecking hilarious. Thank God (or someone) that we have Pete West here to make us (well, me) laugh...
Jamie (very disappointed)
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Aren't you being a little bit harsh? I do know this whole thing sucks big time, but what if they're having a serious problem? Some of them haven't led their lifes in the most healthiest manner...
And I don't really believe fans will not buy their albums because they cancel tours. In fact some of us have bought a shitload of albums in the last couple of years full of songs we already owned for a very long time...
I also have to say that I find this fantasy about the dead Geordie on stage extremely tasteless - even if it's meant to be a joke. It's deffo not a killing one.
I'm grateful for every KJ gig I can see. After Democracy they seemed to have quit and I was very happy to see them return and to get the opportunity to see them play again. You never know when it's over for good....
Give em a break and wait what the reasons are. You can slaughter them, if it turns out to be bullshit.
Sorry if that sounds pathetic but it's the way I feel and I had to get it off my chest.
Marcel GER
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> 1. Re: This: About Raven (Karen Weil)
> 2. Re: Unacceptable (Karen Weil)
> 3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)
> 4. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)
> 5. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)
> 6. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:16:50 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven
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>True, that. : )
>
>k.w.
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>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven
>
>
>Paul?s mother, Kate, said it was an ?amazing tribute? to her son, who
>died of a suspected heart attack aged 46. Mrs Raven, of
>Tettenhall,Wolverhampton, said: ?Paul would have been so proud that
>his music was in the film and so are we.
>
>?He would have loved to go to the Oscars. He might even have been on
>the red carpet."
>
>
>Now *that* would have made the Oscars worth watching!
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable
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>While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed true, the
>band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I would write a
>letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't play live
>this year.
>For whatever it's worth ...
>
>K.W.
>the States
>----- Original Message -----
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>
>
>I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this
>and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I
>bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no
>doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.
>
>Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played
>virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make
>me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the
>band for so long.
>
>On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.
> >
> >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all
> >these cancellations causes people .
> >
> > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they
> > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has
> > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just unacceptable
> > .
> >
> > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the
> > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : Anyone going
> > to Geneva ?
> >
> > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even
> > mention Gems of Power.
> >
> >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are
> >wholly unacceptable.
> >
> > Anyone any good at writing letters ?
> >
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:27 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
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>My sentiments, exactly. If anyone has any direct connection to the >band, please pass that on: We need the official story.
>
>Best,
>
>K.W.
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:05 AM
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>
>
>
> I'm going to go off on a limb here, but I blame Spinefarm > records. Why? Because, honestly, if you're moronic enough to name > your business venture "Spinefarm," I'd say there's a 99% chance > that you really don't have your shit in order.
>
>
> An official statement would be strenuously appreciated at this > unfortunate-but-all-too-familiar stage of the proceedings.
>
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:45 AM, <jane.shadforth at shell.com> wrote:
>
>
> If it's true - I guess Iain & I will be having a very different > holiday in Eastern Europe. Oh well - shrugs....
>
> All trains booked between Manchester & Prague - I'm not wasting them...
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> http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558
>
> I think they do this to us on purpose...
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:23:08 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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>That's my situation.
>
>k.w.
>SoCal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Floren Luke
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
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> It may have been mildly amusing when Kj were playing the local > Palais and all punters had to do was turn up on a different dater, > but its a different matter when people book time off work and > purchase non refundable flights and pay for hotel rooms .
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> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:44:17 +0100
> > From: wo2 at gmx.de
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
> >
> >
> >
> > haha ... the jokers at their best
> > but maybe that's not true because
> > .. normaly they cancel later ...
> >
> >
> > wolfi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558
> > > >
> > > > I think they do this to us on purpose...
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:26:38 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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>Good grief, Cliff -- that is one hell of an ordeal. Appreciate your >sense of humor about it, however.
>Everybody just keep your fingers crossed.
>
>k.w.
>the States
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cliff Livingston
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
>
>
> happened to me and the wife in 2006,had the Alaska to UK trip > ready,drop the kids off in NYC and then off to London and the band > had to reschedule,so we went thru so much work to get everything in > order,off work,off school,and flights,and lucky enuf to stay with > Woody 2 Shoes,we went and had a complete blast,meeting gatherers > while there,and cursed Killing Joke the entire time,haha.
> I do hope everything's ok in KJ land and that you all get some > well deserved fun and do get to see the band when they do the tour.
> CliffMonk
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Brian Whitehead > <bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If this is true I think it'll be once too many for me. I've > ended up on two mini holidays in Germany in the past with no KJ > gig, doing my tour of zoos.
> The cash I've lost is a joke and I feel for those (Jon etc) who > were darting all round Europe and will have lost a hell of a lot more.
>
> I just hope the band come up with some sort of 'make it up' for > those who've lost out AGAIN.
>
> Brian. (looking up if Edinbrugh has a zoo)
>
>
>
>
> On 2 March 2010 22:28, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You have to be fucking kidding!!!
>
> That's all our flight money down the drain :( :(
>
>
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> From: tabazan at gmail.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September
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>
> Oh you are fucking joking!!
>
> *unhappy face*
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee > <kjlist at live.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558
>
> I think they do this to us on purpose...
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:42:41 -0300
>From: circusbar <circusbar at uol.com.br>
>Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in
> Montreal
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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:43:51 +0000
>From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable
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>I beleive that that is where the problem lies .
>
>The band need to realise that they HAVE to get their act together.
>
>The band need to realise that without people buying their albums and >without people buying their concert tickets, there would be no point >in them existing .
>
> At this point in their career, Killing Joke need their supporters > much more than their supporters need Killing Joke .
>
>
>
>
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> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com
> > To: phil.tofield at virgin.net; gathering at misera.net
> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable
> >
> > While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed > true, the
> > band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I > would write a
> > letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't > play live
> > this year.
> > For whatever it's worth ...
> >
> > K.W.
> > the States
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable
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> >
> > I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this
> > and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I
> > bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no
> > doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.
> >
> > Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played
> > virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make
> > me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the
> > band for so long.
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.
> > >
> > >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all
> > >these cancellations causes people .
> > >
> > > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they
> > > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has
> > > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just > unacceptable
> > > .
> > >
> > > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the
> > > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : > Anyone going
> > > to Geneva ?
> > >
> > > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even
> > > mention Gems of Power.
> > >
> > >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are
> > >wholly unacceptable.
> > >
> > > Anyone any good at writing letters ?
> > >
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