[kj] Unacceptable

Floren Luke fluke1 at live.co.uk
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They would be the last to find out though .

> From: phil.tofield at virgin.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:24:52 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>

> I rang Ticketmaster this afternoon and they told me they knew nothing

> about any postponement or cancellation of the tour.

>

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:27:48 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Ticket master are no longer selling tickets , tried calling them to speak to an operator but that is an impossibility.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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> >

> >From: gregslawson at msn.com

> >To: gathering at misera.net

> >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:15:18 -0500

> >Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >

> >

> >

> >I'm still not convinced this is a real cancellation. It's only come from some obscure website, hasn't been on the bands' or any of the clubs sites, nobody in touch w/the band has heard anything yet, etc. It could be a prank or just misinformation...

> >

> >

> >

> >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:49:54 +0000

> >From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk

> >To: gathering at misera.net

> >Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >If there's solid reasons for cancelling the tour I'm sure most of us will understand. Sometimes unforeseen things happen that are completely beyond the control of the people involved. Unfortunately this kind of thing has happened a lot over the past 10+ years- has there been any Killing Joke release or tour from Democracy onwards that hasn't been plagued with problems? A lot of people have made arrangements that have gone to waste, over and over again, and that can start to become trying, not to mention inordinately expensive. However, as I said, if there's a good reason behind these cancellations, most of us will be fairly sympathetic.

> >

> >There is one area which is *never* beyond the group's control- and that is communication. If there are problems, the fans need to be kept informed at all times, so that we can understand the situation and make our own arrangements. We really do need accurate updates and facts whenever possible.

> >

> >Jim.

> >

> >--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Marcel <spooman at freenet.de> wrote:

> >

> >

> >Aren't you being a little bit harsh? I do know this whole thing sucks

> >big time, but what if they're having a serious problem? Some of them

> >haven't led their lifes in the most healthiest manner...

> >

> >And I don't really believe fans will not buy their albums because

> >they cancel tours. In fact some of us have bought a shitload of

> >albums in the last couple of years full of songs we already owned for

> >a very long time...

> >

> >I also have to say that I find this fantasy about the dead Geordie on

> >stage extremely tasteless - even if it's meant to be a joke. It's

> >deffo not a killing one.

> >I'm grateful for every KJ gig I can see. After Democracy they seemed

> >to have quit and I was very happy to see them return and to get the

> >opportunity to see them play again. You never know when it's over for good....

> >Give em a break and wait what the reasons are. You can slaughter

> >them, if it turns out to be bullshit.

> >

> >Sorry if that sounds pathetic but it's the way I feel and I had to

> >get it off my chest.

> >

> >Marcel GER

> >

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> >> 1. Re: This: About Raven (Karen Weil)

> >> 2. Re: Unacceptable (Karen Weil)

> >> 3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

> >> 4. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

> >> 5. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

> >> 6. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal

> >> (circusbar)

> >> 7. Re: Unacceptable (Floren Luke)

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> >>Message: 1

> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:16:50 -0800

> >>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> >>True, that. : )

> >>

> >>k.w.

> >>San Diego

> >>----- Original Message -----

> >>From: "Ana Madani" <madanistan at gmail.com>

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >><gathering at misera.net>

> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

> >>

> >>

> >>Paul?s mother, Kate, said it was an ?amazing tribute? to her son, who

> >>died of a suspected heart attack aged 46. Mrs Raven, of

> >>Tettenhall,Wolverhampton, said: ?Paul would have been so proud that

> >>his music was in the film and so are we.

> >>

> >>?He would have loved to go to the Oscars. He might even have been on

> >>the red carpet."

> >>

> >>

> >>Now *that* would have made the Oscars worth watching!

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

> >> >

> >> http://www.expressandstar.com/2010/02/08/oscar-hope-for-music-of-star-raven/

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> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

> >>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >>To: <phil.tofield at virgin.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke

> >> \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

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> >>While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed true, the

> >>band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I would write a

> >>letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't play live

> >>this year.

> >>For whatever it's worth ...

> >>

> >>K.W.

> >>the States

> >>----- Original Message -----

> >>From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >><gathering at misera.net>

> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >>

> >>

> >>I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

> >>and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

> >>bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

> >>doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

> >>

> >>Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

> >>virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

> >>me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

> >>band for so long.

> >>

> >>On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

> >> >

> >> >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all

> >> >these cancellations causes people .

> >> >

> >> > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

> >> > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has

> >> > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just unacceptable

> >> > .

> >> >

> >> > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the

> >> > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : Anyone going

> >> > to Geneva ?

> >> >

> >> > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even

> >> > mention Gems of Power.

> >> >

> >> >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

> >> >wholly unacceptable.

> >> >

> >> > Anyone any good at writing letters ?

> >> >

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> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:27 -0800

> >>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> >>My sentiments, exactly. If anyone has any direct connection to the

> >>band, please pass that on: We need the official story.

> >>

> >>Best,

> >>

> >>K.W.

> >>SoCal

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: Alexander Smith

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:05 AM

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I'm going to go off on a limb here, but I blame Spinefarm

> >> records. Why? Because, honestly, if you're moronic enough to name

> >> your business venture "Spinefarm," I'd say there's a 99% chance

> >> that you really don't have your shit in order.

> >>

> >>

> >> An official statement would be strenuously appreciated at this

> >> unfortunate-but-all-too-familiar stage of the proceedings.

> >>

> >>

> >> Alex in NYC

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:45 AM, <jane.shadforth at shell.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> If it's true - I guess Iain & I will be having a very different

> >> holiday in Eastern Europe. Oh well - shrugs....

> >>

> >> All trains booked between Manchester & Prague - I'm not wasting them...

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

> >> Sent: 02 March 2010 22:18

> >> To: Gathering Gathering

> >> Subject: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >>

> >> http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

> >>

> >> I think they do this to us on purpose...

> >>

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> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:23:08 -0800

> >>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> >>That's my situation.

> >>

> >>k.w.

> >>SoCal

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: Floren Luke

> >> To: gathering at misera.net

> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> It may have been mildly amusing when Kj were playing the local

> >> Palais and all punters had to do was turn up on a different dater,

> >> but its a different matter when people book time off work and

> >> purchase non refundable flights and pay for hotel rooms .

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:44:17 +0100

> >> > From: wo2 at gmx.de

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > haha ... the jokers at their best

> >> > but maybe that's not true because

> >> > .. normaly they cancel later ...

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > wolfi

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > > http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I think they do this to us on purpose...

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> >>Message: 5

> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:26:38 -0800

> >>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> >>Good grief, Cliff -- that is one hell of an ordeal. Appreciate your

> >>sense of humor about it, however.

> >>Everybody just keep your fingers crossed.

> >>

> >>k.w.

> >>the States

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: Cliff Livingston

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:40 PM

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >>

> >> happened to me and the wife in 2006,had the Alaska to UK trip

> >> ready,drop the kids off in NYC and then off to London and the band

> >> had to reschedule,so we went thru so much work to get everything in

> >> order,off work,off school,and flights,and lucky enuf to stay with

> >> Woody 2 Shoes,we went and had a complete blast,meeting gatherers

> >> while there,and cursed Killing Joke the entire time,haha.

> >> I do hope everything's ok in KJ land and that you all get some

> >> well deserved fun and do get to see the band when they do the tour.

> >> CliffMonk

> >>

> >>

> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Brian Whitehead

> >> <bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> If this is true I think it'll be once too many for me. I've

> >> ended up on two mini holidays in Germany in the past with no KJ

> >> gig, doing my tour of zoos.

> >> The cash I've lost is a joke and I feel for those (Jon etc) who

> >> were darting all round Europe and will have lost a hell of a lot more.

> >>

> >> I just hope the band come up with some sort of 'make it up' for

> >> those who've lost out AGAIN.

> >>

> >> Brian. (looking up if Edinbrugh has a zoo)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On 2 March 2010 22:28, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> You have to be fucking kidding!!!

> >>

> >> That's all our flight money down the drain :( :(

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> >> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:20:19 +0000

> >> From: tabazan at gmail.com

> >> To: gathering at misera.net

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >>

> >> Oh you are fucking joking!!

> >>

> >> *unhappy face*

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee

> >> <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

> >>

> >> I think they do this to us on purpose...

> >>

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> >>From: circusbar <circusbar at uol.com.br>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in

> >> Montreal

> >>To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things

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> >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:43:51 +0000

> >>From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >>To: <gathering at misera.net>

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> >>

> >>I beleive that that is where the problem lies .

> >>

> >>The band need to realise that they HAVE to get their act together.

> >>

> >>The band need to realise that without people buying their albums and

> >>without people buying their concert tickets, there would be no point

> >>in them existing .

> >>

> >> At this point in their career, Killing Joke need their supporters

> >> much more than their supporters need Killing Joke .

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> >> > To: phil.tofield at virgin.net; gathering at misera.net

> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >> >

> >> > While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed

> >> true, the

> >> > band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I

> >> would write a

> >> > letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't

> >> play live

> >> > this year.

> >> > For whatever it's worth ...

> >> >

> >> > K.W.

> >> > the States

> >> > ----- Original Message -----

> >> > From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

> >> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

> >> > and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

> >> > bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

> >> > doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

> >> >

> >> > Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

> >> > virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

> >> > me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

> >> > band for so long.

> >> >

> >> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

> >> > >

> >> > >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all

> >> > >these cancellations causes people .

> >> > >

> >> > > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

> >> > > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has

> >> > > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just

> >> unacceptable

> >> > > .

> >> > >

> >> > > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the

> >> > > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played :

> >> Anyone going

> >> > > to Geneva ?

> >> > >

> >> > > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even

> >> > > mention Gems of Power.

> >> > >

> >> > >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

> >> > >wholly unacceptable.

> >> > >

> >> > > Anyone any good at writing letters ?

> >> > >

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