[kj] Extremities

[Alexander Smith]

"What do you American's think of that song to this day?"

I don't believe it made any significant impact, really. I mean, had it  
been Simply Red or INXS or whomever was a big deal at the time, that  
would be different, but for a rather under-the-radar band to produce a  
curiously slick-but-soulless pop ditty about the skewed values of the  
American aristocrat, it was pretty much dead-on-arrival.

It was no "51st State" by New Model Army, for example.

Alex in NYC



On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Paul Wady wrote:


> I remember OTG around 1989.  Couldn't get over America.  What do you  

> American's think of that song to this day?

>

> Pandemonium was a kinda Traveller/Rave period thing with some great  

> moments (MY FAMILY IS THE VILLAGE AND THE VILLAGE IS THE LAW..) and  

> finally, the true acoustics of the Kings chamber of the great  

> pyramid of...  Never heard of Roger Whittaker using that place.   

> Probibly recorded in it to get out of the sun.

>

> Surely compared to the pandemonium of Hosanna's, OTG stands as this  

> sober, considered work of gentle strings (2nd song, whatsit called?   

> My love of this land -aaah.) Yana, and some really minimal -with-a- 

> punch songs.  I took this album as their 'look we can be really good  

> without a lot of mad guitars' work.

>

> Then they went back to being rough and ready, and we ended up with  

> KJ in 2003.  Yippee.  Then they all got too rough and ready and got  

> stuck in that basement in Prague, as seen in that video.

>

>

> When are they going to do a musical, like U2 did with Spider man?   

> Theme suggestions please???

>

>

>

>

> > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:40:10 -0400

> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net

> > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> >

> >

> >

> > Good question. Did OTG win them any new fans at the time. Say, did  

> someone hear "America" and run out to buy the album?

> >

> > Somehow I THINK NOT.

> >

> > That said, I think I've listened to OTG more recently than I've  

> spun HOSANNAS.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > >From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>

> > >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:16 AM

> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >

> > >>Has anyone ever said OTG is their favourite?!

> > >

> > >I thought OTG was your favourite?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]

> > >On Behalf Of gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

> > >Sent: 19 March 2010 12:09

> > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >

> > >

> > >This is what I like about this list... so many different  

> opinions! For

> > >

> > >me, Extremities is one of KJ's greatest moments, certainly helped  

> by

> > >what

> > >had come before, but it still sounds great when I play it. And I  

> like

> > >the

> > >fast bit in Beautiful Dead too! Ha ha, I also like KJ2003 and

> > >Democracy

> > >but hardly ever play Pandemonium.

> > >

> > >Has anyone ever said OTG is their favourite?! Could such a thing be

> > >possible?!

> > >

> > >Dave in Edinburgh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >At 16:23 18/03/2010 -0400, you wrote:

> > >>i was a big fan of KJ2003 too, amidst a lot of loathing among

> > >>Gatherers. could there be a link between our appreciation of both

> > >records?

> > >>

> > >>m

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>----------

> > >>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:21:06 -0700

> > >>From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com

> > >>To: gathering at misera.net

> > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>

> > >>Extremities is fantastic. Certainly the fast part in the  

> Beautiful Dead

> > >

> > >>and parts like it have that Ministry "Mind is a Terrible Thing"  

> vibe

> > >and

> > >>sound dated as hell now but I think it was just a matter of them  

> trying

> > >to

> > >>"keep up with the joneses". Trying to stay relevent to the kids  

> while

> > >>still retaining their own unique sound. I think it's a nice  

> blend and I

> > >

> > >>love that they attempted it. I don't think it's the first time  

> they

> > >>deviated from their standard sound and tried to take on different

> > >>contemporary styles. Pretty much everything from Nighttime and  

> on sees

> > >>them melding their style to what was current at the time. The  

> idea of

> > >>Killing Joke absorbing the musical climate at any given time,  

> putting

> > >it

> > >>through their own filter and spitting it back out is one that I'm

> > >totally

> > >>into. I'll take that from most bands, actually. Pandemonium and

> > >Democracy

> > >>both have standout tracks but are also lousy with filler.  

> Extremities

> > >is a

> > >>much more solid album. I think it's the last really relevent  

> thing they

> > >

> > >>did, although KJ2003 comes close.

> > >>

> > >>Leigh

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>http://www.nightruiner.com

> > >>http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope

> > >>http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>From: Matthew Burke <marsboy1 at msn.com>

> > >>To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> > >>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:56:37 PM

> > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>

> > >>i think extremities is one of the most complete and perfect  

> things they

> > >

> > >>ever did, the recording style merely reaffirmed the "punk" in  

> their

> > >>post-punk pedigree.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>----------

> > >>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:48:50 -0700

> > >>From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com

> > >>To: gathering at misera.net

> > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>

> > >>I found DMCRCY was a welcome tack in a lighter direction after the

> > >intensity

> > >>of the "Extremities.. - L?IMBO - Pandemonium" sequence.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>... ... ... ... ... ...

> > >>

> > >>[looking at the current state of things..]

> > >>

> > >>'Who has the fun..

> > >> ..is it always a man with a gun...?

> > >> Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>From: n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com>

> > >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:35:22 PM

> > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>

> > >>love 'em both... that's it.

> > >>even like democracy a lot.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, sade1

> > >><<mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >>>I've always thought that "Extremities.."(the song) went a  

> little too

> > >>>"Pink Floyd-ish" at parts.

> > >>>I think Jaz is the Pink Floyd fan of the group.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>... ... ... ... ... ...

> > >>>

> > >>>[looking at the current state of things..]

> > >>>

> > >>>'Who has the fun..

> > >>> ..is it always a man with a gun...?

> > >>> Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can  

> sweat"

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>From: Neil Perry <<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>65snoopy at gmail.com>

> > >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > >>><<mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net>

> > >>>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 2:28:19 AM

> > >>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>

> > >>>Yeah I know its a lazy phrase... I'm listening to Extremities  

> now and

> > >I

> > >>>chiefly meant

> > >>>the fast section slapped into the middle of Beautiful Dead for

> > >absolutely

> > >>>no reason that ruins what would

> > >>>have been a fantastic song, the horrible mess that is Struggle  

> and

> > >>>sections of the title track.

> > >>>

> > >>>But Geordie's guitar sounds fucking incredible - was this the  

> last

> > >time

> > >>>that sound we all

> > >>>know and love was in evidence on a KJ record?

> > >>>

> > >>>Sorry Jel, no more analysis, promise

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>On 16 March 2010 16:24, Brian Whitehead

> > >>><<mailto:bawhitehead at gmail.com>bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:

> > >>>>"bad thrash metal stuff on Extremities"

> > >>>>

> > >>>>This has been levelled at Extremeties in the past and to be  

> honest I

> > >>>>cant see it? May be as I don't listen to a lot of thrash metal.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Following Jon's footy analogy, it's 4-2 to Extremeties for me  

> with a

> > >>>>Geordie hat-trick.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Brian.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>On 16 March 2010 13:12, Neil Perry

> > >>>><<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

> > >>>>>Well I think both albums are games of two halves, Alan

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>Always hated the bad thrash metal stuff on Extremities but  

> some of

> > >the

> > >>>>>guitar

> > >>>>>work still stands as some of Geordie's finest - and Termite  

> Mound is

> > >

> > >>>>>always in

> > >>>>>my KJ top ten. Except that Termite Mound was very  

> unrepresentative

> > >of the

> > >>>>>whole LP - wish it was more like this. I just don't think KJ  

> do fast

> > >

> > >>>>>very well,

> > >>>>>and are far more menacing when they slow it down

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>Where as Pandemonium had some filler, agreed, but the good  

> stuff was

> > >>>>>great - and I include Communion, the title track, Black Moon  

> and the

> > >

> > >>>>>original mixes of

> > >>>>>Millennium and Mathematics (cheating I know, but...)

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>And I like Jana.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>It goes to penalties, and Pandemonium wins.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>Still getting me coat, Jamie hold the bus

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>n

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>On 16 March 2010 13:19, jon chapman

> > >>>>><<mailto:jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk 

> >

> > >wrote:

> > >>>>>>Pandemonium was ruined for the poor version of Mathematics,the

> > >shite

> > >>>>>>that is Jana,Pleasures of The Flesh and i've grown to hate

> > >Communion.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Extremities wasn't ruined.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Extremities wins on the away goals rule.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>----------

> > >>>>>>From: <mailto:gregslawson at msn.com>gregslawson at msn.com

> > >>>>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net

> > >>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:12:30 -0400

> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Extremities may be a better album--certainly more original,  

> and no

> > >>>>>>real weak songs--but Pandemonium is better to just sit there  

> and

> > >rock out to!

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>----------

> > >>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:30:44 +0100

> > >>>>>>From: <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>rob.moss at gmx.com

> > >>>>>>To: <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>vassifer at earthlink.net;

> > >>>>>><mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net

> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Quite right.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Looks likes its boys one side of the room and girls the  

> other then!

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>So that's it, if you prefer Pandemonium to Extremities, you  

> are a

> > >>>>>>girl. Period.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>----- Original Message -----

> > >>>>>>From: Alex Smith

> > >>>>>>Sent: 03/15/10 05:15 PM

> > >>>>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!), 'A  

> list about

> > >

> > >>>>>>all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>PANDEMONIUM has more filler than EXTREMITIES.

> > >>>>>>Alex in NYC

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----

> > >>>>>>From: Brendan

> > >>>>>>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 11:59 AM

> > >>>>>>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>I don't mind it but Pandy pisses all over it. Ade agrees  

> with me.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>From:

> > >>>>>><http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.ht

> > >ml?pf=pf#>gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > >>>>>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Neil Perry

> > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 2:52 AM

> > >>>>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>I never really liked Extremities.

> > >>>>>>Too thrashy. I give Termite Mound and North of the Border a  

> blast

> > >>>>>>now and again.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>I'll get me coat

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>N

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>On 15 March 2010 16:00, n0153 jr

> > >>>>>><<http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.h

> > >tml?pf=pf#>nomeanswhat at gmail.com>

> > >>>>>>wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>except Hosannas isn't as terrible as OTG... I actually like  

> it a

> > >lot.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Rob Moss

> > >>>>>><<http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.h

> > >tml?pf=pf#>rob.moss at gmx.com>

> > >>>>>>wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Been a while since I gave this a listen and was blown away  

> by just

> > >how

> > >>>>>>good this one really is.

> > >>>>>>I remember the sense of anticipation when this one came out  

> after

> > >the

> > >>>>>>way that OTG was perceived.

> > >>>>>>This ticked all the boxes at the time.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Kind of feel the same about the new one!

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

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