[kj] Extremities

[Karen Weil]

Alex is right -- when I first heard the song, I was underwhelmed  -- it told me nothing I didn't already know about this country. 


k.w.
the States 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alexander Smith 
  To: Paul Wady 
  Cc: Gatherers Killing Joke Gatherers 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities


  "What do you American's think of that song to this day?"


  I don't believe it made any significant impact, really. I mean, had it been Simply Red or INXS or whomever was a big deal at the time, that would be different, but for a rather under-the-radar band to produce a curiously slick-but-soulless pop ditty about the skewed values of the American aristocrat, it was pretty much dead-on-arrival.


  It was no "51st State" by New Model Army, for example.


  Alex in NYC






  On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Paul Wady wrote:


    I remember OTG around 1989.  Couldn't get over America.  What do you American's think of that song to this day?
     
    Pandemonium was a kinda Traveller/Rave period thing with some great moments (MY FAMILY IS THE VILLAGE AND THE VILLAGE IS THE LAW..) and finally, the true acoustics of the Kings chamber of the great pyramid of...  Never heard of Roger Whittaker using that place.  Probibly recorded in it to get out of the sun.  
     
    Surely compared to the pandemonium of Hosanna's, OTG stands as this sober, considered work of gentle strings (2nd song, whatsit called?  My love of this land -aaah.) Yana, and some really minimal -with-a-punch songs.  I took this album as their 'look we can be really good without a lot of mad guitars' work.  
     
    Then they went back to being rough and ready, and we ended up with KJ in 2003.  Yippee.  Then they all got too rough and ready and got stuck in that basement in Prague, as seen in that video.  
     
     
    When are they going to do a musical, like U2 did with Spider man?  Theme suggestions please???


     

    > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:40:10 -0400
    > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
    > To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net
    > Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > Good question. Did OTG win them any new fans at the time. Say, did someone hear "America" and run out to buy the album?
    > 
    > Somehow I THINK NOT.
    > 
    > That said, I think I've listened to OTG more recently than I've spun HOSANNAS.
    > 
    > Alex in NYC
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > >From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
    > >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:16 AM
    > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
    > >Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >
    > >>Has anyone ever said OTG is their favourite?!
    > >
    > >I thought OTG was your favourite? 
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
    > >On Behalf Of gingoblin at easynet.co.uk
    > >Sent: 19 March 2010 12:09
    > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    > >Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >
    > >
    > >This is what I like about this list... so many different opinions! For
    > >
    > >me, Extremities is one of KJ's greatest moments, certainly helped by
    > >what 
    > >had come before, but it still sounds great when I play it. And I like
    > >the 
    > >fast bit in Beautiful Dead too! Ha ha, I also like KJ2003 and
    > >Democracy 
    > >but hardly ever play Pandemonium.
    > >
    > >Has anyone ever said OTG is their favourite?! Could such a thing be
    > >possible?!
    > >
    > >Dave in Edinburgh
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >At 16:23 18/03/2010 -0400, you wrote:
    > >>i was a big fan of KJ2003 too, amidst a lot of loathing among 
    > >>Gatherers. could there be a link between our appreciation of both
    > >records?
    > >>
    > >>m
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>----------
    > >>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:21:06 -0700
    > >>From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
    > >>To: gathering at misera.net
    > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>
    > >>Extremities is fantastic. Certainly the fast part in the Beautiful Dead
    > >
    > >>and parts like it have that Ministry "Mind is a Terrible Thing" vibe
    > >and 
    > >>sound dated as hell now but I think it was just a matter of them trying
    > >to 
    > >>"keep up with the joneses". Trying to stay relevent to the kids while 
    > >>still retaining their own unique sound. I think it's a nice blend and I
    > >
    > >>love that they attempted it. I don't think it's the first time they 
    > >>deviated from their standard sound and tried to take on different 
    > >>contemporary styles. Pretty much everything from Nighttime and on sees 
    > >>them melding their style to what was current at the time. The idea of 
    > >>Killing Joke absorbing the musical climate at any given time, putting
    > >it 
    > >>through their own filter and spitting it back out is one that I'm
    > >totally 
    > >>into. I'll take that from most bands, actually. Pandemonium and
    > >Democracy 
    > >>both have standout tracks but are also lousy with filler. Extremities
    > >is a 
    > >>much more solid album. I think it's the last really relevent thing they
    > >
    > >>did, although KJ2003 comes close.
    > >>
    > >>Leigh
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>http://www.nightruiner.com
    > >>http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
    > >>http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>From: Matthew Burke <marsboy1 at msn.com>
    > >>To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
    > >>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:56:37 PM
    > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>
    > >>i think extremities is one of the most complete and perfect things they
    > >
    > >>ever did, the recording style merely reaffirmed the "punk" in their 
    > >>post-punk pedigree.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>----------
    > >>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:48:50 -0700
    > >>From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
    > >>To: gathering at misera.net
    > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>
    > >>I found DMCRCY was a welcome tack in a lighter direction after the
    > >intensity
    > >>of the "Extremities.. - L?IMBO - Pandemonium" sequence.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>... ... ... ... ... ...
    > >>
    > >>[looking at the current state of things..]
    > >>
    > >>'Who has the fun..
    > >> ..is it always a man with a gun...?
    > >> Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>From: n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com>
    > >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    > ><gathering at misera.net>
    > >>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:35:22 PM
    > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>
    > >>love 'em both... that's it.
    > >>even like democracy a lot.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, sade1 
    > >><<mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >>>I've always thought that "Extremities.."(the song) went a little too 
    > >>>"Pink Floyd-ish" at parts.
    > >>>I think Jaz is the Pink Floyd fan of the group.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>... ... ... ... ... ...
    > >>>
    > >>>[looking at the current state of things..]
    > >>>
    > >>>'Who has the fun..
    > >>> ..is it always a man with a gun...?
    > >>> Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>From: Neil Perry <<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>65snoopy at gmail.com>
    > >>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
    > >>><<mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net>
    > >>>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 2:28:19 AM
    > >>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>
    > >>>Yeah I know its a lazy phrase... I'm listening to Extremities now and
    > >I 
    > >>>chiefly meant
    > >>>the fast section slapped into the middle of Beautiful Dead for
    > >absolutely 
    > >>>no reason that ruins what would
    > >>>have been a fantastic song, the horrible mess that is Struggle and 
    > >>>sections of the title track.
    > >>>
    > >>>But Geordie's guitar sounds fucking incredible - was this the last
    > >time 
    > >>>that sound we all
    > >>>know and love was in evidence on a KJ record?
    > >>>
    > >>>Sorry Jel, no more analysis, promise
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>On 16 March 2010 16:24, Brian Whitehead 
    > >>><<mailto:bawhitehead at gmail.com>bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>>"bad thrash metal stuff on Extremities"
    > >>>>
    > >>>>This has been levelled at Extremeties in the past and to be honest I 
    > >>>>cant see it? May be as I don't listen to a lot of thrash metal.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Following Jon's footy analogy, it's 4-2 to Extremeties for me with a 
    > >>>>Geordie hat-trick.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Brian.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>On 16 March 2010 13:12, Neil Perry 
    > >>>><<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>>>Well I think both albums are games of two halves, Alan
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Always hated the bad thrash metal stuff on Extremities but some of
    > >the 
    > >>>>>guitar
    > >>>>>work still stands as some of Geordie's finest - and Termite Mound is
    > >
    > >>>>>always in
    > >>>>>my KJ top ten. Except that Termite Mound was very unrepresentative
    > >of the
    > >>>>>whole LP - wish it was more like this. I just don't think KJ do fast
    > >
    > >>>>>very well,
    > >>>>>and are far more menacing when they slow it down
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Where as Pandemonium had some filler, agreed, but the good stuff was
    > >>>>>great - and I include Communion, the title track, Black Moon and the
    > >
    > >>>>>original mixes of
    > >>>>>Millennium and Mathematics (cheating I know, but...)
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>And I like Jana.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>It goes to penalties, and Pandemonium wins.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Still getting me coat, Jamie hold the bus
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>n
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>On 16 March 2010 13:19, jon chapman 
    > >>>>><<mailto:jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
    > >wrote:
    > >>>>>>Pandemonium was ruined for the poor version of Mathematics,the
    > >shite 
    > >>>>>>that is Jana,Pleasures of The Flesh and i've grown to hate
    > >Communion.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Extremities wasn't ruined.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Extremities wins on the away goals rule.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>----------
    > >>>>>>From: <mailto:gregslawson at msn.com>gregslawson at msn.com
    > >>>>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
    > >>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:12:30 -0400
    > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Extremities may be a better album--certainly more original, and no 
    > >>>>>>real weak songs--but Pandemonium is better to just sit there and
    > >rock out to!
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>----------
    > >>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:30:44 +0100
    > >>>>>>From: <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>rob.moss at gmx.com
    > >>>>>>To: <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>vassifer at earthlink.net; 
    > >>>>>><mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
    > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Quite right.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Looks likes its boys one side of the room and girls the other then!
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>So that's it, if you prefer Pandemonium to Extremities, you are a 
    > >>>>>>girl. Period.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
    > >>>>>>From: Alex Smith
    > >>>>>>Sent: 03/15/10 05:15 PM
    > >>>>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!), 'A list about
    > >
    > >>>>>>all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
    > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>PANDEMONIUM has more filler than EXTREMITIES.
    > >>>>>>Alex in NYC
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
    > >>>>>>From: Brendan
    > >>>>>>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 11:59 AM
    > >>>>>>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
    > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>I don't mind it but Pandy pisses all over it. Ade agrees with me.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>From: 
    > >>>>>><http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.ht
    > >ml?pf=pf#>gathering-bounces at misera.net 
    > >>>>>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Neil Perry
    > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 2:52 AM
    > >>>>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Extremities
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>I never really liked Extremities.
    > >>>>>>Too thrashy. I give Termite Mound and North of the Border a blast
    > >>>>>>now and again.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>I'll get me coat
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>N
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>On 15 March 2010 16:00, n0153 jr 
    > >>>>>><<http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.h
    > >tml?pf=pf#>nomeanswhat at gmail.com> 
    > >>>>>>wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>except Hosannas isn't as terrible as OTG... I actually like it a
    > >lot.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Rob Moss 
    > >>>>>><<http://sn109w.snt109.mail.live.com/mail/RteFrame_15.1.3039.0211.h
    > >tml?pf=pf#>rob.moss at gmx.com> 
    > >>>>>>wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Been a while since I gave this a listen and was blown away by just
    > >how 
    > >>>>>>good this one really is.
    > >>>>>>I remember the sense of anticipation when this one came out after
    > >the 
    > >>>>>>way that OTG was perceived.
    > >>>>>>This ticked all the boxes at the time.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Kind of feel the same about the new one!
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
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