[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 81, Issue 48 [SPAM]

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> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:00:31 -0400

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> 1. Re: (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding (phil)

> 2. Re: My reaction to UK election polls (Antoni Adamiak)

> 3. Re: (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

> (Dave Axford)

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> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 15:02:39 +0100

> From: phil <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> It seems to me, as is often the case when people discuss Richard

> Dawkins, that he is being either misunderstood or misquoted. Dawkins

> doesnt claim to be 100% correct and anyone who disagrees with him

> wrong. Nor does he claim to be 100% convinced as to the non-existence

> of god. The whole basis of the God Delusion is that, based on the

> available evidence, god is very improbable. 

> 

> I remember a passage in the book where he presents a 7 point scale of

> belief, where 1 is absolute total belief that god exists and 7 is the

> opposite, total atheism. Dawkins places himself at number 6 - that he

> thinks god is very improbable but cannot, of course, know for certain.

> 

> I read The Blind Watchmaker recently, one of the most inspiring books

> Ive ever read.

> 

> On Fri, 7 May 2010 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

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> >Fine. But I'm not conducting a science vs religion debate, and I'm not?convinced why a discussion about Dawkins'?beliefs has to become one about science against religion- especially when I haven't described my views on science, and have already stated my opposition to religion.

> >?

> >For the record,? I'm not disputing his right to write the book. I don't care if he publishes his toenail clippings.

> >?

> >Okay. Here it is. I don't like people who are absolutely convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. It's a dangerous position.

> >?

> >And no, your belief that God is about as logical as the Tooth Fairy doesn't instantly make it a fact. You don't know, I don't know, and Dawkins doesn't know.

> >?

> >Jim.

> >

> >--- On Fri, 7/5/10, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> >

> >

> >A prominent scientist attacking the existence of god based on the lack of

> >evidence means that the argument is categorically a science vs religion

> >rebate.

> >

> >I think you need to make a point, attack something he's said specifically

> >(rather than the way he's said it), because I'm not really getting any

> >solid reason you're against his right to write that book.

> >

> >Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The god argument has as

> >much proof as the Tooth Fairy argument. Writing a book to go into that in

> >depth doesn't make someone a fanatic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 

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> Message: 2

> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:08:45 +0000

> From: Antoni Adamiak <pssyche23 at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] My reaction to UK election polls

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> * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/scotland/8669883.stm *

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> 

> Yep, the link above suggests I might not have been talking bollocks after all ... a progressive (ie. non Tory) alliance is mooted, at least by the minor parties ... although I sense Brown knows he is beaten & would prefer Clegg to do a deal with the Tories that included the clear electoral reform (not just some vague promise) knowing that Cameron himself would be signing his (and his party's) own death warrant ... 

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> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:44:24 -0400

> From: jpwhkj at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [kj] My reaction to UK election polls

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> Likewise intrigued. Clegg has a once-in-generation chance to cut a deal. What he desperately needs to realise is that whoever he deals with will use him and the LD's support only for as long as they actually need it (i.e. until they can call an early election and get their own majority). Consequently he has to get the single thing that really matters - namely electoral reform - and get it quickly.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Antoni Adamiak <pssyche23 at hotmail.com>

> To: The Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:11

> Subject: Re: [kj] My reaction to UK election polls

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> I'm intrigued by what's going to happen over the next few days. Surely Clegg can only do a deal with Cameron if dodgy Dave agrees to LibDem demands for voting reform and a pledge for a further election on those terms in the next 18 months, otherwise it is not Dave's call. The party rank and file would never forgive shagger Nick for passing up the historic opportunity and cuddling up to Cam for a full term. Play hard ball. It's a bit of a nightmare situation for the Tories. They'd take the flak over their austerity measures, probable inner city riots by next summer and there would be a resurge of Labour support under Dave Milliband, Gordon Brown's likely successor. If Cam can't seal the deal, Gordon can cobble together a government majority (maybe not quite) with additional support from the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the SDLP etc, more then likely handing over to Milliband sooner rather than later but keeping Cameron out of number 10 ... but I could be talking complete bollocks :o)

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> From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 19:56:04 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] My reaction to UK election polls

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> Oliver mate, it weren't necessary on Facebook and it aint necessary ere either!

> 

> Our Country is in ruin and we are none of us impressed regardless our point of view, an old Anarchic ditty aint gonna make us any the more cheerful!

> 

> Mate luv ya, but nah! 

> 

> We are now in an abyss and nothing short of 5 more years of misery and grief awaits us all, nostalgia pales under reality!

> 

> Jelly

> 

> > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:19:38 -0500

> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: [kj] My reaction to UK election polls

> > 

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1uSSRcn7UE

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> > 

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> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:09:33 -0400

> From: "Dave Axford" <daxford at primus.ca>

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

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> I'm glad he can sleep well at night, knowing that he's 'doing God's will'. How fucking blind and arrogant is that?

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> Oh, just a lovely little practice by a little-known coterie of people called The Saudis

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm

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> Alex in NYC

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