[kj] new cd
Dominico C
dominicoc at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 23 20:34:51 EST 2010
Yeah, I know what you mean... Finally, I have my CD in my hands and I am
elated! I ordered mine online with that special offer of ordering KJ AD and
getting the autographed booklet! SWEET! I also wasn't interested in the
cover versions. Perfectly happy with the album. IT ROCKS!
"I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new cd,
just released in the US TODAY!
I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly more
expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions
and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know that).
At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it
even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!"
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Mark Kolmar)
2. Re: ot- request kj manager (sade1)
3. Re: ot- request kj manager (Rob Moss)
4. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)
5. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Rob Moss)
6. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)
7. Re: new cd (GREG SLAWSON)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:26:52 -0600
From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a
truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to
start
The links do not look functional.
I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the
item was cancelled.
You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to
be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic
step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or
licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,
well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld
for example. And the Manics.)
--Mark
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds like somebody wants to?go sit in a tiger cage?and throw stones..
>
> ?i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.
> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html
>
> This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.
>
> I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and wants
> to make the two ESS mixes available...
>
> I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made available
> in the US
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:30:50 -0800 (PST)
From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
<gathering at misera.net>
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*answers phone*
"Hello, ACME?*erm**cough*?I mean, KJ Management,?how can we?help you?"
?
http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg
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Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager
Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal
Dave
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:01:12 +0100
From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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Honestly, I think the management get a raw deal here sometimes.
What KJ does is pretty transparent largely because Jaz says lot of things
that perhaps he shouldn't and then the management has to deal with the after
effects.
Ok. Gems of power. That was a fuck up but I think there is alot behind the
story. I am not at all sure it's the managements fault. I saw a great deal
of Raven at the time and there was much going on. The money is not in Matt
Luxon's pocket.
But in a wider context, to get the four original members together, gigging,
recording and getting paid enough so thy are happy to do it takes a huge
amount of effort and a considerable amount of skill. I can imagine it is
like herding kittens at the best of times!
On 23 Nov 2010, at 00:30, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> *answers phone*
>
> "Hello, ACME *erm**cough* I mean, KJ Management, how can we help you?"
>
>
> http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg
> From: "Wrightdvdw at aol.com" <Wrightdvdw at aol.com>
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 3:28:15 PM
> Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager
>
> Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal
>
>
> Dave
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +1300
From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with
creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???
=)
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a
> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to
> start
>
> The links do not look functional.
>
> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the
> item was cancelled.
>
> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to
> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic
> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or
> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,
> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld
> for example. And the Manics.)
>
> --Mark
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..
> >
> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.
> >
> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html
> >
> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.
> >
> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and
> wants
> > to make the two ESS mixes available...
> >
> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made
> available
> > in the US
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:29:33 +0100
From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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It doesn't help make any money that's why!
Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE DEALER.
not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales price.
So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.
Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows what
else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard
work.
You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket
prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and
movies pays considerably more than record sales.
I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.
Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.
On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with
> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???
>
>
>
>
>
> =)
>
>
>
>
> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a
> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to
> start
>
> The links do not look functional.
>
> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the
> item was cancelled.
>
> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to
> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic
> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or
> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,
> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld
> for example. And the Manics.)
>
> --Mark
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..
> >
> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.
> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html
> >
> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.
> >
> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and
> > wants
> > to make the two ESS mixes available...
> >
> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made
> > available
> > in the US
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300
From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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yeah i get that, things are tough all over..
just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in such
a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> It doesn't help make any money that's why!
> Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE
> DEALER.
> not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales
> price.
> So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.
>
> Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows
> what
> else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard
> work.
>
> You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket
> prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and
> movies pays considerably more than record sales.
>
> I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.
> Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.
>
>
> On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with
> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???
>
>
>
>
>
> =)
>
>
>
>
> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar < <mkolmar at gmail.com>
> mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a
>> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to
>> start
>>
>> The links do not look functional.
>>
>> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the
>> item was cancelled.
>>
>> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to
>> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic
>> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or
>> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,
>> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld
>> for example. And the Manics.)
>>
>> --Mark
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 < <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
>> saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..
>> >
>> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.
>> >
>> <http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html>
>> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html
>> >
>> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.
>> >
>> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and
>> wants
>> > to make the two ESS mixes available...
>> >
>> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made
>> available
>> > in the US
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:28:46 -0500
From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] new cd
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I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new cd,
just released in the US TODAY!
I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly more
expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions
and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know that).
At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it
even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:
yeah i get that, things are tough all over..
just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in such
a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
It doesn't help make any money that's why!
Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE DEALER.
not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales price.
So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.
Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows what
else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard
work.
You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket
prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and
movies pays considerably more than record sales.
I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.
Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.
On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with
creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???
=)
"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a
truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to
start
The links do not look functional.
I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the
item was cancelled.
You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to
be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic
step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or
licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,
well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld
for example. And the Manics.)
--Mark
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..
>
> i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.
> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html
>
> This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.
>
> I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and wants
> to make the two ESS mixes available...
>
> I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made available
> in the US
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