[kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
Alexander Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 08:36:05 EDT 2011
It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for
many years with rarely posting.
I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that there's
too much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda
the nature of the beast.
As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,
and no reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are
"wrong" for liking what we like. There is no end to that argument.
Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it
and add to the conversation instead of lurking?
Alex in NYC
On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no
> structure.
>
> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something? What
> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>
> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology, how
>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>
>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>> posting.
>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email
>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a proper
>>> website in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,
>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely
>>>> flotsam,
>>>> but
>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being
>>>> an open
>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would
>>>> prefer
>>>> maybe
>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross
>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would
>>>>> term
>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>> bitching
>>>>> on here.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to
>>>>>> bitch about
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the only
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said
>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute enough to
>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering used
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length and
>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built on
>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,
>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>> regularly how
>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver
>>>>>>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was already
>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping he
>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee
>>>>>>>>>>>> <kjlist at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we’ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we’re really pleased to bring you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘European Super
>>>>>>>>>>>>> State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12” coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (edit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘Kali Yuga’
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove’ (Dub Mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12” vinyl – 290 numbered copies available exclusively from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.whatrecords.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard Extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Download
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we’ll announce details
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re really excited to be back working with the label
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we’re also glad to announce they’ll be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London, Nottingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz retired
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ‘European Super State’ we’re all very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We’ll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’ve also got something very special to announce for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal Festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles, an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live
>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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