[kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

[Steve Hackett]

Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:



Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a
cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.
Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-
wasting.

Alex in NYC


On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:


>

> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."

>

> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?

>

> LET'S DROP IT!!!

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>

>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to

>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and

>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?

>>

>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the

>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album

>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how

>> much you love it.

>>

>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas"  than

>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."

>>

>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>

>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous  nature of 

>>> your

>>> own response.

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>

>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.

>>>>

>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>  wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking  for 

>>>>> many

>>>>> years with rarely posting.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that  there's 

>>>>> too

>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda  the

>>>>> nature

>>>>> of the beast.

>>>>>

>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of  opinion, 

>>>>> and

>>>>> no

>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong"  for

>>>>> liking

>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.

>>>>>

>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express  it 

>>>>> and

>>>>> add

>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column

>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation,  no

>>>>>> structure.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning  something? 

>>>>>> What

>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> 

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of  terminology, 

>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win  something?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely 

>>>>>>>> posting.

>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an  email

>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a 

>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics  etc,

>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith  <vassifer at earthlink.net> 

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is  entirely

>>>>>>>>> flotsam,

>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token,  being 

>>>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>> open

>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You  would

>>>>>>>>> prefer

>>>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party  line?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is  dross

>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I  would 

>>>>>>>>>> term

>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors".   Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading 

>>>>>>>>>> bitching

>>>>>>>>>> on here.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith  <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right  to 

>>>>>>>>>>> bitch

>>>>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>> then.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the  only 

>>>>>>>>>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting  said

>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute  enough 

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering  used 

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before?  Just saying.   Length and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on  Hosannas in 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also  built 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition.  Yours is not the only opinion on here, 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed  out, 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I  don't

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only  silver 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's  hoping he

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after  they

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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