[kj] Band funding

[Rich Hopkins]

let's be honest, Jaz has always been a bit of a tool

2011/9/22 Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>


> Re Jaz’s involvement, as far as I understand (from internet trawlings), his

> involvement is limited to influencing / persuading Hinewehi Mohi (the singer

> he worked with on the album ‘Oceania’ which has apparently seen a sequel

> done since) to sing the *pre-existing* Maori verses at some game in the

> 1999 Rugby World Cup. So he didn’t write or change anything, but he

> influenced this artist he worked with to perform it with the Maori verses in

> front of possibly the largest audience ever. Which is still a great story

> IMO, just not if he’s embellishing it. ****

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> This link has what I think is close to the truth, minus the anti-Jaz rant

> (it’s about the 5th post) – oh and it appears that the Wiki article has

> since been changed cos I can’t find the below quotes in it.****

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> I might have even sung the Maori version when I was in school, but buggered

> if I know cos I never paid any attention. ****

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> http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3501&start=60****

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> “From wikipedia: "Coleman has studied and played music from many cultures,

> and is a multi-instrumentalist. He studied Arabic music at the Cairo

> Conservatoire and has a passion for Czech folk music and Māori music, among

> others. One of his Māori pieces is the "Second Symphony for Māori Voice and

> Orchestra".[1] He was involved in adding a verse in the Māori language to

> the New Zealand national anthem; it was sung by Māori singer Hinewehi Mohi

> at the 1999 Rugby World Cup match, and after some controversy the verse was

> officially added."

>

> Jaz Coleman helped to rewrite my countries national anthem. Wicked.”****

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> *No he didn't.

>

> I know some people who had personal dealings with Jaz – they didn’t enjoy

> the experience. They called him megalomaniac amongst other things. I’ve

> always thought that it was just down to a bad experience maybe, and that he

> might be tough to work with. But re-writing the NZ National anthem! That’s

> crazy talk and makes me think that they were spot on.

>

> The Maori version of the anthem was written in 1878 (or 1879) – and was

> taught reasonably widely, especially after the Maori Language Act in 1987.

> But it wasn’t used at sporting events. We sung it at school in the early

> 80’s. And it was sung at my university graduation in the 90’s.

>

> Hinewehi Mohi decided to sing the verses in Maori as well as English at the

> world cup in 1999. This may have been at Jazzers encouragement – but you’d

> have to ask Hinewehi about that. But there wasn’t anything ‘new’ about this

> apart from its context.

>

> And the debate was around whether it should be ‘officially’ sung in both

> languages – not whether this ‘new’ version should be official, Maori was

> already an official language and the version that was sung had already

> existed for 120 years.

>

> At the time the Language commission decided it would a good idea in terms

> of promoting the learning of Maori to encourage people to learn & sing both.

> And sporting groups were encouraged to have both languages sung especially

> if their events were being televised. There is still no official protocol

> about what version should be sung and where, the is certainly no law (apart

> from the Treaty of Waitangi Act, and the Maori Language Act which both

> predate Jaz from even being in the country) but in most cases people

> choose to sing both language versions because it sounds better and is more

> meaningful for them - nobody is compelled to do it.

>

> So when he says this to the BBC***

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> “My favourite song is the New Zealand national anthem, in which I take a

> credit for changing it from English into the native Maori tongue.”****

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>

> *He’s just talking absolute crap. What a dick.***

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *jon chapman

> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:56 p.m.

> *To:* gathering at misera.net

>

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Band funding****

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> Interesting thing about the nz national anthem....just how much influence

> did Jaz really have on this ???....i've heard it mentioned (by him) alot.*

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>

> I pledge not to buy anything from Killing Joke until I get the chance to

> buy a concert ticket for a gig in NZ or Aussie, an official apology for

> buggering up our national anthem, and my own plot of semi-barren land on one

> of the TWO VILLAGES, which I plan to plant with a certain kind of hemp…which

> I’m anticipating will be greatly enhanced in the post-apocalyptic

> radioactive atmosphere of the future.****

>

>  ****

>

> Not really into live albums tbh. XXV was cool. Soundgarden Live on I5 was

> cool. Any live Porcupine Tree is great.****

>

>  ****

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *sade1

> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2011 1:29 p.m.

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Band funding****

>

>  ****

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> > ...   a..band who funded it's last album by selling shares. Would you **

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> > buy shares in KJ? ****

>

>  ****

>

> Brendan can set up the IPO with say, oh, 7 million shares/cds, Goldman

> Sachs can underwrite the whole thing and I'll invent the requisite

> hedge-funds n' all the credit-default swaps and all the derivatives. We'll

> clean up huge! Everyone wanna see a bubble? The cd prices will reach

> $419.99/disc and vinyl records $1,643 each, payable in gold! After the cd

> drops, who knows... Killing Joke will be too big to fail, for once!****

>

> Once the prices peak at about $528disc/$2,137vinyl I'll set up the

> short-sale; we'll clean up again!! We'll become so rich I think we can buy

> the band itself at that point and send them around every day to different

> shareholders' houses and have them play in the living room or in the parlor

> after dinner and cigars. ****

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> Cheers!****

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> *From:* Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com>

> *To:* Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16 AM

> *Subject:* [kj] Band funding****

>

>

> Talking about the Pledge funding thing I came across this about a German

> band who funded it's last album by selling shares.

> Would you buy shares in KJ? Would Jaz see this as ethically wrong?

>

> "The German band Angelica Express financed its last album by selling

> “shares” to fans. ****

>

> They issued 500 “shares” at 50 Euros each (which sold out in record time

> and came with a detailed plan of how the money would be spent). With those

> 25,000 Euros, the band financed the recording of their album, the album

> artwork, the manufacture of the actual CDs, and the accompanying promotion.

> ****

>

> Not only do the people who signed up for the shares get the new album but

> in return they also receive 80% of the earnings."****

>

> Brian. ****

>

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