[kj] What? Records:

[Rob Moss]

Fuck me silly!

Heard it all now!!!

Back in your box!

On 25 Apr 2012, at 21:11, ADRIAN WASON <adrianwason at btinternet.com> wrote:


> Rob you're a fuckin BULLY!

> 

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net> 

> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 18:21

> Subject: Re: [kj] What? Records:

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> But this is a common misconception. Sorry. Not meaning to pick on you. 

> 

> But. 

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> That £5 goes to what records. Not KJ. What records pay 20% vat. So that's £1 off. Then they have to make money. So maybe another £1 as retailer. Then Spinefarm have to press it and distribute it. £1. And colesy gets paid for artwork. So, there is probably less than £2  that has to give Spinefarm a profit and the band some money. 

> 

> On a standard release at £15 in the shop the retailer will probably pay £8. The distribution get 20-25%. The band get about 14% on the dealer price of £8. About £1. Between 4. And the management get 20% of that!

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> Believe me. As someone who has released 3 albums and never received a penny. The band does not make money at this!

> 

> That is why pledge, for all it's faults, is a good deal for the artist. Always try and buy music from the artist website. It makes a hell of a difference. 

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> On 25 Apr 2012, at 17:56, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

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>> Well, I was speaking with tongue planted firmly in cheek, but the single wasn't self-released, it was a licensed limited edition of 200 (mine is #87). At 5BP each, there is only the potential to generate $1000BP, so nobody is getting rich but I doubt the band lost money on the deal. Its not like they're selling it for less than it cost to produce, even taking studio costs for "Penny Drops" into account.

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>> I wasn't criticizing KJ; they're doing what every other band in their position does on a regular basis: sell special editions in multiple formats to hardcore fans.

>> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:58:16 +0200

>> From: rob.moss at gmx.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] What? Records:

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>> Seriuosly, you don't think the band make money out of that do you?

>> 

>> 90% of what you described has nothing to do with the band. They will have lost money on that single release.

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>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Rheinhold Squeegee

>> Sent: 04/25/12 04:31 PM

>> To: Gathering Gathering

>> Subject: [kj] What? Records:

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>> Just got my single and album from What Records yesterday (ship date was 4/14). All arrived intact and in good order, although the CD was unwrapped, which I thought odd.

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>> If anyone is still wondering how the band generate revenue short of Youth loaning them all a daily fiver: the single contains exactly one unique tune ("Penny Drops"). This cardboard-sleeve single cost me $8.50US, plus another $4US for shipping.

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>> In all, I paid app. $13US for one song. I don't even want to think about what that one song cost the people who also bought the vinyl.

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>> At least "New Uprising" will only set me back a dollar, assuming they get their digital distribution issues resolved.

>>  

>> I can't even say it without laughing...

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