[kj] Jaz still AWOL

[Rob Moss]

Well, put it this way. More people have listened to Pussy Riot since the event than prior to it!

Of course, I appreciate the ridiculous sweeping statement that I made which you must surely expect from me after all these years. I concede that their main objective was not to see records but to make a stand and raise issues which they have down very successfully. I'm actually very supportive of them and think its ridiculous but my point being all along is that they knew what would happen and the fury around it should only be expected. Likely that others made more noise that the detained individuals in reality. 

I reckon they will be pardoned sooner or later anyway. 

Headcount could stage a similarly audacious move. 
I think one of us is going to stand outside David Cameron's local constituency office and drop a sweet wrapper and say that he smells of wee. That'll show them! Consider the system smashed. 






(apologies. It's hot. I can't have a rational discussion)


On 19 Aug 2012, at 16:46, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:


> I reckon they knew (approximately) what they were letting themselves in for - and did it because they reckoned it was ideologically worth it.

>  

> Being any sort of activist in Russia is still a pretty dangerous way of life - less so than in the 1930's of course, but still not a recipe for a carefree existence.  So I think your original post suggesting that it was a publicity stunt to sell more records was wrong.  Do you stand by it?

>  

> Jamie

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> To: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:12

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz still AWOL

> 

> Good point. But they knew that the reaction would be OTT before they did it. 

> You don't go into these things blind if you are in an intelligent politically aware band. 

> 

> On 19 Aug 2012, at 14:40, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> 

>> That would depend on the consequences, really. Does the punishment fit the crime? If it doesn't, why should they accept it? You woudn't, and neither would I.

>>  

>> Jim.

>>  

>> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net> 

>> Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 14:18

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz still AWOL

>> 

>> Then, if they are intelligent, they should be prepared to accept the consequences of their actions. 

>> 

>> On 19 Aug 2012, at 13:06, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>> 

>>> ...also, given that they seem to be a reasonably intelligent and thoughtful bunch - at least by the standard of punk bands - I'd credit them with the realisation that the come-back for this would be pretty severe.  So it doesn't look like an easy way to boost flagging sales from where I'm sitting.

>>>  

>>> Jamie

>>>  

>>>  

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>

>>> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:53

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz still AWOL

>>> 

>>> In the ordinary way of things, I'd agree with you.  However, given the way the Russian Orthodox church has lined up with Putin, I think they were spot on.  Interesting article:

>>>  

>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/19/nick-cohen-pussy-riot-putin

>>>  

>>> Jamie

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 9:51

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz still AWOL

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I really think these people who protest so violently against the church are kind 

>>> of missing the point. 

>>> 

>>> I'm no fan of the church. Headcount lyrics would confirm that, but is there 

>>> anything to be gained in vandalizing a church? I just don't get it. It's like 

>>> the most petulant and holiday way in which to protest. 

>>> 

>>> Ok girls. No one is listening to our records. How do we make our point. Oh I 

>>> know. Let's pick on the church. 

>>> Yeah. Beat the shit out of a cripple too why don't you I you want shock value!  

>>> 

>>> Should Pussy Riot have gone to jail? Of course not. Should they have made a 

>>> smarter protest? Yes. Of course they should protest. If we don't protest we are 

>>> cannot call ourselves intelligent life IMO and Putin? Well.......

>>> 

>>> The St Paul's protesters had the sense to not storm the church. That would have 

>>> guaranteed a harsher reaction. PR could have picked a clever target. Maybe a bag 

>>> of liver and maggots at the local music rag might be an idea.....

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 19 Aug 2012, at 05:14, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> > 

>>> > There is a video of those oh-so-delicioux protest godesses FEMEN responding to 

>>> the Pusssy Riot issue w/a Breast Bash of their own by chopping down the High 

>>> Holy Crucifix outside the local Orthodox Church. WITH a chainsaw. =:~o +:~* 

>>> Wendy O Williams would've been so very, very proud of them.  Amn't at my 'puter 

>>> so cnt post da Utube link.

>>> > ------------------------------

>>> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 4:48 PM PDT Brendan Quinn wrote:

>>> > 

>>> >> Pussy Riot have hopefully wiped any last bit of interest anyone had in the 

>>> Coleman saga, thank god. 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?] On 

>>> Behalf Of pssyche23

>>> >> Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012 6:36 a.m.

>>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> >> Cc: gathering at misera.net

>>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz still AWOL

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> Sent from my iPhone

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> On 13 Aug 2012, at 11:27, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>>> >> 

>>> >> The Guardian website actually had this relatively prominent.

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/13/killing-joke-jaz-coleman-resurfaces

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> The last line is particularly comic:

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> "Nevertheless, there remain signs of friction within Killing Joke. On Sunday 

>>> morning, just one hour before Coleman's comeback statement, Killing Joke called 

>>> off a gig on 8 September "due to Jaz still not surfacing". That concert, at 

>>> London's Metropolis Studios, was due to be recorded for a live DVD."

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> So, not due to the fact that only one ticket has been sold, to Mr A. Adamiak 

>>> of west London?

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> Jamie

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> 

>>> >> Definitely not me - the facebook event suggested 40 "guests" but likely only 

>>> 10% of those actually bought a ticket.

>>> >> 

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