[kj] How I Love ...

[Brendan Quinn]

I'm gonna to - eventually - look into this cos it's too important not to
know, as you say finding the right source is the hard part. 

 

Oh and not really on topic, but did anyone else see this:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084971/Hong-Kongs-cage-homes-Tens-t
housands-living-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html

 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 12:08 p.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...

 

Complete nonsense. These numbers are not only made up, but they don't even
make logical sense. Western "historians" have been completly let off the
hook on USSR and 
China. No historical evidence is required--only made up numbers, and/or
numbers that include deaths from old age, etc. 
The origins of most of this fiction is in the far right--e.g. a Ukranian
Nazi supporter who falsified older photos to make them appear to be from a
famine during the 30.
If you want a good source on Soviet historiography, anything by J. Arch
Getty is good. 
If you want sources from a US researcher who is fluent in Russian and is one
of the only people to study the archives, see webpage of Grover Furr. THere
is also
a book by someone named Thurston that's supposed to be pretty accurate.
Don't have any names for sources on China (they started making that up more
recently) except for books by westerners who LIVED IN CHINA during the
socialist period
(Fanshen by William Hinton, an agriculturalist, and "Away With All Pest" by
an English doctor, and another book by Edgar Snow are the classics).
 

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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:26:30 +1300
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...

Greg I'm interested to know your take on the research claiming 38 to 76
million Chinese citizens were killed by their own govt in the 20th century,
outstripping the number of deaths in all wars that century.by which I'd
assume the current situation looks like significant progress...?

 

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM

 

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of
all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is
responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps
around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit
thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the
cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is
the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such
as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia. 

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big
difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of
democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries
and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer
Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from
April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000.
This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds
of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over
2 to 1. 

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or
near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments,
and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it
shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been
killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the
probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist
country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist
China almost equal it. 

 

 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 3:36 a.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...

 

That's Chinese capitalism for ya!
 

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:36:47 -0500
From: madanistan at gmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] How I Love ...


This morning, I heard a report on NPR (National Public Radio) stating that
in China, "income inequality is staggering, corruption is systemic and
protests occur on a daily basis." 


Hmm ... who does that remind me of? 


Here's a hint:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYjkdwEadOU



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