[kj] The Great Belly.......

[andrew scott]

Certainly would agree with u about 1991, they reignited my extreme passion for the band & more, which had formed in 1985 & died 1987-89.  Amazing LP, amazing gigs, the Astoria one in particular being possibly my favourite of any show been to & if not, in top 5.  I think Atkins was obviously big part of that sound obviously (and remember him chucking the drum set-up into audience at end!) & after Murder Inc which was also amazing, with twin drummers, (why have KJ never tried this?!), especially at Subteranea as well, got me into the other stuff like Ministry, Pigface, Prong, Flowers Of Romance & other things like Therapy etc etc.  And that light for the Extremities period never dimmed through the nineties really, was slightly dissapointed with the 94 shows because of that & not impressed with Dugmore, although many positives.  As  for the current LP, is very good but definitely don't have the same feelings for it or its sound, probably as have
 been so many magical moments since 2003, anyway I think Absolute Dissent may b better. Also think Death & Resurrection Show is vastly superior opener to Pole Shift!  By the way maybe it is a shame that they never tried Karl Burns, the Fall drummer out, am sure he could have suited them.  Did anyone here ever hear the story of his short spell with PIL he had, where apparently they experimented to see if he really does, Burn?  Hhahahaha!! 


The Fungus Moth.
 
Challenging the Future.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:39:18 -0500
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Respectfully counter-disagree, since I did see them in 1991.

Atkins was a fine addition and certainly better than either Dugmore or Parsons (sorry Godflesh-lovers) but his schtick only worked on the Extremities tracks. Anything else and he sounded like a toddler taking it out on the pots and pans. 

The water-on-the-drumhead bit was labored as well.

There seems to be a big divide here between the rubbery finesse of the Youth/BPF axis vs. the industrial thuggery of Raven/Atkins. Read any recent review online and you can usually tell with what album the writer started listening to KJ.





Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:05:30 +0100
From: adrianwason at btinternet.com
To: gathering at misera.net
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disagree totally
anyone who saw killing joke early in 1991 realised at the time that they were probably seeing the best live act ever to grace the stage

the songwriting has been better on 2012  IMO than on any other recording since extremities is that down to a combination of the 4 original members gelling after a few years?probably





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Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012, 18:41
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...







Rheinhold:

You summed it up, beautifully, about Big Paul.  There are no substitutes, period. 

K.W. 
SoCal



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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:03 AM
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BPF didn't play the festivals in 2010-11 either. I assume he's able to manage his NYC schedule around a full tour but not these one-off weekend gigs.

I said it before and I'll say it again: BPF is the missing piece and the video of Jason Bowld just confims it. Bowld's a dependable timekeeper, i'm sure, but also a basher with little finesse. I've seen KJ with 5 different drummers now and the closest anyone's come to BPF is Ben Calvert and even he was wide of the mark. My GF accompanied me to the Chicago shows in 2010 and she couldn't give a rip about KJ but she left impressed, commenting "the drummer was incredible."

Indeed.





From: PaulGorman at ireland.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:28:15 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

Hey Alex,

No doubt you caught up, but just in case, Jason Bowld, is the drummer.
What I have not heard yet is why, had Big Paul, a sick note?
I guess it could be any reason and none of my business, but after the Youth blog, I think it was, things did not sound happy in camp KJ.
Or I guess he could have had other commitments, just curious though.

dub



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Who's that on drums?



Alex in NYC





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It is him. And yes he got paid!

On 12 Jul 2012, at 21:57, Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> wrote:


>    OK, I've been moaning about the farcical delays of Down by the River and I've already stopped listening to the mp3s, but...

>    

>    ...the DVD is a gem (not of power though).

>    I feel that normal live DVD's are a bit dull, but this has no images of any band members and is instead the visuals with the soundtrack from the concert.

>    F**ing great stuff.

>    It bears Colesey's hallmarks, but I can't see him credited anywhere, I hope he got paid for it at least.

> 

>    So, after all, I feel that wait was worth it...

> 

>    /Per

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:14:33 +0100
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Atkins Raven was a hell of a combination for sure. Raven always gave credit to Atkins even when they didn't see eye to eye. 


On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:39, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:


> Respectfully counter-disagree, since I did see them in 1991.

>  

> Atkins was a fine addition and certainly better than either Dugmore or Parsons (sorry Godflesh-lovers) but his schtick only worked on the Extremities tracks. Anything else and he sounded like a toddler taking it out on the pots and pans. 

>  

> The water-on-the-drumhead bit was labored as well.

>  

> There seems to be a big divide here between the rubbery finesse of the Youth/BPF axis vs. the industrial thuggery of Raven/Atkins. Read any recent review online and you can usually tell with what album the writer started listening to KJ.

>  

>  

> 

> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:05:30 +0100

> From: adrianwason at btinternet.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

> 

> 

> disagree totally

> anyone who saw killing joke early in 1991 realised at the time that they were probably seeing the best live act ever to grace the stage

>  

> the songwriting has been better on 2012  IMO than on any other recording since extremities is that down to a combination of the 4 original members gelling after a few years?probably

> 

> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net> 

> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012, 18:41

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

> 

> Rheinhold:

>  

> You summed it up, beautifully, about Big Paul.  There are no substitutes, period.

>  

> K.W.

> SoCal

>  

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:03 AM

> To: Gathering Gathering

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>  

> BPF didn't play the festivals in 2010-11 either. I assume he's able to manage his NYC schedule around a full tour but not these one-off weekend gigs.

>  

> I said it before and I'll say it again: BPF is the missing piece and the video of Jason Bowld just confims it. Bowld's a dependable timekeeper, i'm sure, but also a basher with little finesse. I've seen KJ with 5 different drummers now and the closest anyone's come to BPF is Ben Calvert and even he was wide of the mark. My GF accompanied me to the Chicago shows in 2010 and she couldn't give a rip about KJ but she left impressed, commenting "the drummer was incredible."

>  

> Indeed.

>  

>  

> From: PaulGorman at ireland.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:28:15 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

> Hey Alex,

>  

> No doubt you caught up, but just in case, Jason Bowld, is the drummer.

> What I have not heard yet is why, had Big Paul, a sick note?

> I guess it could be any reason and none of my business, but after the Youth blog, I think it was, things did not sound happy in camp KJ.

> Or I guess he could have had other commitments, just curious though.

>  

> dub

>  

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 09 July 2012 02:16 PM

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>  

>  

> Who's that on drums?

>  

> Alex in NYC

>  

>  

> On Jul 8, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Paul Gorman [Home] wrote:

>  

> Time for a new boiler suit me thinks?

>  

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