[kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks

[Dominico C]

Fema Camps maybe.... bunk, but... Over the last couple of years of watching 
documentaries, and reading articles, The Earth's Poles do shift, ok, maybe 
the context is being exaggerated for current times. The earth's axis did 
shift 10cm, due to Japan's earth quake last year. On a similar subject, 
there has been a lot more solar flare activity being recorded as we speak. 
Though, I don't believe in the "end of days" stuff... Some scientists have 
pointed out that the Poles are slightly cycling.


"Yes, spot on Neil.

Try googling pole shift and see whether things are heading for the disaster 
Jaz claims.  Guess what?  The north pole isn't "hurtling" towards Siberia 
after all.

A lot of what the Joke sing about (for some long while) is just plain silly. 
And as Neil says, the world would be a much better place if people worried 
about the *real* death camps"

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   1. Re: MMXII after a few listens (bongo)
   2. Re: MMXII after a few listens (jon chapman)
   3. Re: MMXII first listen (jon chapman) (ADRIAN WASON)
   4. Re: Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII
      (Neil Perry)
   5. Re: MMXII first listen (jon chapman) (jon chapman)
   6. Re: Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:27:36 +1300
From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII after a few listens
To: Leigh Newton <angrytomsizemore at yahoo.com>, "A list about all
things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
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i still haven't had the chance for repeat listenings, but, so far, all the
songs seem pretty good !

i think it'll be a pleasant grower, and maybe even one of my top KJ albums..
staunch, but not a muscle-thug...
grown up and battle-weary...
roadworn, but still trudging on...
passive aggressive aural delight!




"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Leigh Newton 
<angrytomsizemore at yahoo.com>wrote:


> It's probably not as good as Absolute Dissent but it's really damn good

> all the same. WAY better than Democracy and better than KJ2003 as well.

> Possibly even better than Pandemonium? I dunno. That's a weird album for

> me. Some of their best songs are on there as well as some of their most

> forgettable. The filler on this one is far more enjoyable, I find 

> (Rapture,

> for example. I'll take that song any day over Labyrinth, Pleasures of the

> Flesh, Millenium, Black Moon).

>

> Pole Shift is a nice, slow burner of a first track. An interesting change.

> Lots of open space in that song. It's not wall-to-wall guitars which is

> particularly incharacteristic of an opening track. Awesome vocal melodies

> from Jaz on that one too. Fema Camp is killer, don't know why anyone would

> have a problem with that one. Instant like. All Hallow's Eve is probably

> the best song on the album. Amazing closer. Colony Collapse and Corporate

> Elect are also great, the former having a sweet and dirty glam-type groove

> and the latter reminding me quite a little bit of MINOG. Still taking the

> rest of it in.

>

> Leigh

>

>    *From:* Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> *To:* Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:34:12 AM

> *Subject:* [kj] MMXII after a few listens

>

>

>

> Still think it's bloody good.

>

> Pole Shift is 2 minutes too long and Trance gets a bit lost, but I really

> do like the variation in this album.

> I can see what some are saying about Geordie's guitar being a bit lost,

> but actually you can say that about alot of the releases. His truly

> identifiable sound disappears after Night Time for me, brief appearance on

> Extremities, but since then I think it has become a "part" of the sound.

> And I think that shows that he must be comfortable in his own skin to

> relaise that it's not all about the guitar.

>

> There is immense power in this album and that has always moved me about

> KJ. Those low synth growls and almost swamped reverb vocals give it an

> overall feeling of onslaught!

>

> Not many bands at this stage in their career can come anyway close to 

> this.

>

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:30:23 +0000
From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII after a few listens
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I was with you all the way there Leigh until you said All Hallows Eve is 
probably the best song on the album.






Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:13:39 -0700
From: angrytomsizemore at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII after a few listens

It's probably not as good as Absolute Dissent but it's really damn good all 
the same. WAY better than Democracy and better than KJ2003 as well. Possibly 
even better than Pandemonium? I dunno. That's a weird album for me. Some of 
their best songs are on there as well as some of their most forgettable. The 
filler on this one is far more enjoyable, I find (Rapture, for example. I'll 
take that song any day over Labyrinth, Pleasures of the Flesh, Millenium, 
Black Moon). Pole Shift is a nice, slow burner of a first track. An 
interesting change. Lots of open space in that song. It's not wall-to-wall 
guitars which is particularly incharacteristic of an opening track. Awesome 
vocal melodies from Jaz on that one too. Fema Camp is killer, don't know why 
anyone would have a
problem with that one. Instant like. All Hallow's Eve is probably the best 
song on the album. Amazing closer. Colony Collapse and Corporate Elect are 
also great, the former having a sweet and dirty glam-type groove and the 
latter reminding me quite a little bit of MINOG. Still taking the rest of it 
in. Leigh
        From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
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<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:34:12 AM
Subject: [kj] MMXII after a few listens





Still think it's bloody good.



Pole Shift is 2 minutes too long and Trance gets a bit lost, but I really do 
like the variation in this album.

I can see what some are saying about Geordie's guitar being a bit lost, but 
actually you can say that about alot of the releases. His truly identifiable 
sound disappears after Night Time for me, brief appearance on Extremities, 
but since then I think it has become a "part" of the sound. And I think that 
shows that he must be comfortable in his own skin to relaise that it's not 
all about the guitar.



There is immense power in this album and that has always moved me about KJ. 
Those low synth growls and almost swamped reverb vocals give it an overall 
feeling of onslaught!



Not many bands at this stage in their career can come anyway close to this.









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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:38:09 +0100 (BST)
From: ADRIAN WASON <adrianwason at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen (jon chapman)
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hi jon
why is glitch so different?
is it case of meddling by youth(democracy)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:06:34 +0200
From: Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks
MMXII
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Yes... but ALL governments have this.
This isn't a secret or a conspiracy.
As for FEMA, they are the body that deals with natural disasters etc. They
have powers to deal with huge
amounts of people. I fail to find this sinister.

The old adage that every society is only three meals away from anarchy
holds true - and
if the food starts running short, expect riots, and expect the government
of the day to
start enacting harsh measures that have long been on the statute books.
In the UK there was what was known as the Riot Act, which was a 1715 act of
parliament designed
to deal with groups of 12 people or more. And I don't think you'll find a
nation on the planet
that hasn't had some similar sort of legislation for the past few hundred
years.


On 29 March 2012 04:27, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:


>  I'm sure the camps are fake, but a scary truth is that the FEMA

> legislation has provisions for mass arrests, etc of civilians in times of

> domestic

> uprising.

>

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> From: fluwdot at earthlink.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:24:52 -0500

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII

>

>  Well done neil!

>

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *Neil Perry

> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:24 PM

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII

>

>

>

> Heh well said.

> Jaz is an intelligent man so I find it slightly - what's the word -

> mystifying? - that

> he believes this Fema Camp nonsense. The fact is, if you go on

> YouTube/Google/whatever,

> as Jaz urges, you can swiftly discover how the whole thing is a crock of

> shit.

> The Fema Camp conspiracy theory is one of the more interesting ones in

> that, as

> with the fake moon landing conspiracy, the effect seems to be that the

> bigger and more

> rediculous the lie is, the more people seem willing to believe it.

> Of course, when the conspiracy started they were Clinton death camps, then

> Bush death

> camps, now they are Obama death camps. Funny how all these administrations

> agreed on

> one thing - we really need lots of death camps!

> And yet no matter how secret these places are meant to be, people can just

> drive around,

> film them, put up videos on YouTube and get away with it. Spooky.

>

> The video I posted earlier

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

>

> is well known, its 17 years old and shows an old train-repair facility

> which is apparently in

> the process of being turned into a new Auschwitz. Listen to the commentary

> - along the lines of

> "This is a big building, it could be used to process prisoners" - and try

> to keep a straight face.

> The video was shot by this woman

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)

>

> who is, surprise surprise, a bit unhinged. She was disowned by the US

> militia movement

> because they thought she was too extreme (she planned an armed march on

> Washington

> to put senators on trial for treason).

>

> Glenn Beck, of all people, actually debunked the whole thing here - guess

> what? It actually

> is a train-repair facility.

>

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html

>

> Popular Mechanics also have their own page on it

>

> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

>

> (see point 3 for the train-repair facility)

>

> This features the infamous photo supposed to be a US death/internment

> camp. It is actually

> a prison camp... in North Korea. If more people got worked up about real

> death camps instead

> of imaginary ones, the world might be a better place.

>

> Well, it goes on and on, its all out there if you want to read up on it.

> Sorry but this particular

> facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that

> he's clogging up valuable

> album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I

> wouldn't have minded so much.

>

> n

>

>  On 28 March 2012 23:08, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

>

> Ever cheerful Jaz.

>

>

>

> Thing is, he laughs alot too!

>

> A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!

>

>

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:46:33 +0000
From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen (jon chapman)
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It was a very early version with just drums and guitar that they played at 
Rehearsals last year. Very rough,but sounded promising,and fantastic. Ok, a 
primitive version,but it makes you wonder what other Geordie works of art 
have been terribly disfigured going through an album recording process.







Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:38:09 +0100
From: adrianwason at btinternet.com
Subject: Re: MMXII first listen (jon chapman)
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hi jon
why is glitch so different?
is it case of meddling by youth(democracy)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
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Yes, spot on Neil.

Try googling pole shift and see whether things are heading for the disaster 
Jaz claims.  Guess what?  The north pole isn't "hurtling" towards Siberia 
after all.

A lot of what the Joke sing about (for some long while) is just plain silly. 
And as Neil says, the world would be a much better place if people worried 
about the *real* death camps

Jamie







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Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 0:23
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII


Heh well said.
Jaz is an intelligent man so I find it slightly - what's the word - 
mystifying? - that
he believes this Fema Camp nonsense. The fact is, if you go on 
YouTube/Google/whatever,
as Jaz urges, you can swiftly discover how the whole thing is a crock of 
shit.
The Fema Camp conspiracy theory is one of the more interesting ones in that, 
as
with the fake moon landing conspiracy, the effect seems to be that the 
bigger and more
rediculous the lie is, the more people seem willing to believe it.
Of course, when the conspiracy started they were Clinton death camps, then 
Bush death
camps, now they are Obama death camps. Funny how all these administrations 
agreed on
one thing - we really need lots of death camps!
And yet no matter how secret these places are meant to be, people can just 
drive around,
film them, put up videos on YouTube and get away with it. Spooky.

The video I posted earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

is well known, its 17 years old and shows an old train-repair facility which 
is apparently in
the process of being turned into a new Auschwitz. Listen to the commentary - 
along the lines of
"This is a big building, it could be used to process prisoners" - and try to 
keep a straight face.
The video was shot by this woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)

who is, surprise surprise, a bit unhinged. She was disowned by the US 
militia movement
because they thought she was too extreme (she planned an armed march on 
Washington
to put senators on trial for treason).

Glenn Beck, of all people, actually debunked the whole thing here - guess 
what? It actually
is a train-repair facility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html

Popular Mechanics also have their own page on it

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

(see point 3 for the train-repair facility)

This features the infamous photo supposed to be a US death/internment camp. 
It is actually
a prison camp... in North Korea. If more people got worked up about real 
death camps instead
of imaginary ones, the world might be a better place.

Well, it goes on and on, its all out there if you want to read up on it. 
Sorry but this particular
facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that 
he's clogging up valuable
album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I 
wouldn't have minded so much.

n



On 28 March 2012 23:08, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:


Ever cheerful Jaz.


Thing is, he laughs alot too!
A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!






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