[kj] OT: The origins of goth?

[Per G Olsson]

As a living dead, he must qualify as a Zombie...

/Per G O

23 nov 2012 kl. 06:31 skrev "Brendan Quinn" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>:


> All wrong, in some cases by up to 2000 years.

> 

> Jesus was more Goth than you.

> 

> - he is referred to as Lord Jesus.

> - he was into fishnet.

> - he went to dens of iniquity.

> - he had the gaunt look down.

> - he was big on crucifixes.

> - he was into body piercing.

> - he was fascinated with the occult.

> - he spent time in tombs.

> - he was secretly a vampire.

> - he was obsessed with Death.

> 

> http://thejesusquestion.org/2012/01/03/tee-time-jesus-was-more-goth-than-you

> /

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Peter Moltesen

> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012 9:45 a.m.

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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The origins of goth?

> 

> Ever seen Nic Roeg's film of 'Glastonbury Fayre' from 1971?

> Arthur Brown & Kingdom Come's set surely qualifies as proto goth 

> 

> Peter

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Wolfgang Worschech

> Sent: 22 November 2012 20:19

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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The origins of goth?

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> 

> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cathy.hawkes/bands1.htm

> 

> i saw > atomic rooster < live in germoney in 1971 with vincent crane, john

> du cann and paul hammond.

> all dressed in black they played the songs from the album > death walks

> behind you <.

> sadly they are all gone now.

> 

> wolfi

> 

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>> Datum: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:30:28 +0100

>> Von: Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com>

>> An: "A list about all things Killing Joke \\(the band!\\)"

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>> Betreff: Re: [kj] OT: The origins of goth?

> 

>>    OK...

>>    And following on to that:

>>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_rock

>>    (WHAT? The Doors?!?!)

>> 

>>    But nothing between 1967 (counting The Doors) / 1968 (Glass House

> Family)

>> and Joy Division?

>> 

>> 

>> 22 nov 2012 kl. 14.19 skrev wessidetempest .:

>> 

>>> Just to get everyone riled up

>>> 

>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subculture

>>> 

>>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:17 AM, "Per G Olsson"

>> <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>    Yep, I know that the term is extremely widely used.

>>>>    Sticking my neck out as little as possible I'd say that Sisters of

>> Mercy and Bauhaus fully fits my expectations of "goth".

>>>>    Also early Specimen, a bit of Joy Division, early Clan of Xymox 

>>>> etc

>> etc...

>>>>    

>>>> 

>>>> 22 nov 2012 kl. 14.07 skrev wessidetempest .:

>>>> 

>>>>> I guess it depends on what you consider goth. For example there 

>>>>> are

>> metal bands that are considered. And from my opinion it's only because

> they

>> dress the part. 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "Per G Olsson"

>> <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>>>    As the list pretty quiet at the moment (strange considering that 

>>>>>> Jaz

>> & Youth apparently are releasing stuff and and a KJ single is 

>> supposedly due soon) I'd thought I ask a "simple" question...

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    Anyone out there who has a good idea on tracking the roots of

>> "goth"?

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    As with the term "punk" there are many different views on what 

>>>>>> bands

>> to include, but I hope that among KJ fans there are quite a few that 

>> also listens to a lot of "goth".

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    The reason I ask is that I stumbled on this track by The Glass

>> Family from 1968 (http://youtu.be/q_pIiQUIZoA), which in my ears 

>> sounds

> quite

>> "gothic".

>>>>>>    The rest of what The Glass Family released has very little

>> resemblance to "goth" (in my humble ears) so it seems to be a one off.

>>>>>>    Never heard any other 60:s track that sounds so "gothic", but 

>>>>>> please

>> feel free to enlighten me if there are others!

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    /Per

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    (Cue "It started in the UX" "No, it began in the UY", where X 

>>>>>> and Y

>> equals K or S depending on who starts)

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>    

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