[kj] punk

[Brendan Quinn]

As I recall, Alex in NYC has strong opinions on this topic.

 

Alex happens to know his shit not only about punk, but he hasn't let it get
to him to the point that he goes feral about any other genre of music that
simpletons might try to line up as having some sort of conflict with their
one master genre. 

ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL, ONE RING TO CONTROL THEM, ONE RI-

 

"DUDE! STFU! EVERYTHING ISN'T ABOUT TOLK-"

 

"Okay okay! Sorry."

 

I love grunge, okay. I love the chaos, the fun (Melvins e.g) singing about
real shit (vs the late 80s rock that I cut my teeth on as a teen, singing
about Cherry Pop and pour Some Sugar on Me, it actually spoke to something
that meant something to me), and more than anything else I love that the
music kicks fucking ass..it pays homage to metal, and punk, and Pixies, and
Queen, and Zep, and melody, and Zappa, and Killing joke..etc etc

 

I'm class of 73. I was 4 when punk happened, and living in NZ, so hey,
sorry.but it passed me by. I was WAY more into Tonka and Legos and boogers.
I was - accidentally - listening to Lionel Ritchie FM and Phil Collins FM.
Little River Band. And the Smurf's Allstar Show.

 

So I was 21 in 1994. In NZ listening to mainsteam radio, and a shit ton of
NWOBM and some American metal and some Skandi metal, and Beatles, Zep,
Sabbath, and a shitton of Jimi. Someone gave me a cassette copy of
Superunknown. It was SO FUCKING HEAVY to me that I thought it was some new
cassette / musical recording technology. I like, okay. I defend it to the
fucking hilt. Like you guys do with punk. But I won't take a single step
back, neither will you. At the end of the day, we have a laugh about it.

 

BUT WE ALL KNOW I'M RIGHT.

 

1994 also gave me Pandemonium by Killing Joke. I can't describe how much it
blew me away, originally stuff like Millenium, but once I got into it,
Labyrinth, Exorcism.white hot.

 

It's a bit of a shame what's happened with the KJ lately, I'd like to think
they'll pull out of the nosedive and just shut the fuck up and play that
awesome stuff they've recorded in the last 3 years. Seriously, simplify it
all down, gig it up and play Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove to roomfuls of people
who love you and love getting blazed and listening to the sound of the earth
vomiting. Simple yeah? But no. 

 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 5:36 a.m.
To: Gathering Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

 

What fun is that? Don't give up so easily. The last "who invented punk"
discussion a year or two back was hi-larious.
 
;)
 
Mick Mercer clearly cites the three-legged stool of Goth as being Bauhaus,
Theatre of Hate and...Killing Joke. Discuss.
 
As I recall, Alex in NYC has strong opinions on this topic.
 
This has been your Friday Trolling Moment. 
 
Rheinhold out.
 

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:23:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

Oh, I'm just mucking around. At the end of the day, folks are arguing over a
marketing term.
I am very familiar with Punk's history. "Once you have a name for it,
yesterday goes on and on and on".
 
Who invented Goth? Who invented Rave? 

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From: kjlist at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:11:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] punk



The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion doesn't even
take into account the US garage band scene of the 1960's: Seeds, Standells,
Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" series for further
enlightenment.
 
It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after exposure
to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first gig at the
Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC in '72 where he met
the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t-shirt and safety pin look from
Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the UK in 1975, opened the "SEX" boutique
and applied his learnings to the exploitation of the Sex Pistols. The
majority of early UK punks were either someone who saw the Sex
Pistols/Buzzcocks in a university lunchroom or pub rockers with new
haircuts, a la Joe Strummer.
 
to wit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA
 
 
 
 

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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:55:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

The Saints formed in 1975. That puts them chronologically next to the Dolls.
They were Australian. What about Bolan, or the UK Garage bands of the early
70s...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349@N07/
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349%40N07/> 
 

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From: paulwady at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] punk


>From my previous email: 


1 - The very term PUNK was an AMERICANISM in the 1970's.  It was adopted by
UK people around that time.  Even then lets face it, people still don't use
it in Blighty for its original meaning today.  They didn't then?  It is
entirely associated with a style from the late 70/s early 80/s best time of
all for crude, sincere rock music.
 
2 - There was this band called the New York Dolls.  Assume everyone here
does not know them on account of Morrissey running their UK fanclub, and
thus everyones kept a distance...what difference does it make??
 
3 - James Osterberg.  Like anyone here needs to know what pseudonym he
resides on the UK's bedroom walls under?  (Not forgetting Scottish
trainspotters...)
 
4 - Eddy and the Hot Rods.  Okay okay, sorry sorry.  But I had to remind
y'all just how bad things where then.  WE HAD THE ****ING OSMONDS ON THE
RADIO...ON TOP OF THE POPS...TV SPECIALS...LOOK IN AND THE MAGAZINES AND THE
PAPERS...  This was surely the closest our generation ever got to living
through the Blitz?  It was hell in there.  Hell.  You'd walk down the road
and your contemporaries and those a bit older had FLARES and MULLETTS.  Me?
I still have flashbacks.  (Wake up in the middle of the night screaming
CRAZY HORSES!!!  WAAAH!  WAAH!  So America does have a lot to answer for.
Salt Lake City - capitol of trauma etc).
 
 
I am very sorry to bring up the things we'd all rather forget.  (Donnie.
Marie.  Jesus....)  But the Sex Pistols did it their way, and we all love
them for it.  They did not invent it but good god did they do it
brilliantly.  Even the Rolling Stones were described as a "Dartford Delta
Blues band" recently.  The Beatles were surely partially due to their living
in a transatlantic seaport?  Sailors selling the lp's they'd picked up in
the USA you see?  
 
So...they gave it to us...and we improved it and sold it back to them?  Tee
hee.  x





 

 

 

 

Free download album:
http://linearobsessional.bandcamp.com/album/the-terminal-beach

 

PAULWADY.COM


  

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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:35:19 +1200
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

Okay, are we all agreed on Kyuss, yeah? 

 

Anyone NOT like Kyuss.? Seriously?

 

Okay let's just put an album on..

 

NO MAN!!!

 

No, fuck's sake, just put an alb-

 

No man it was my turn tu-

 

Fuckin, just put a FUCKIN album on man 

 

Fuckin not Soundga-

 

What?! Fuckin..why not? It's fuckin awes-

 

NOT FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN, MAAAAAN!!!!! O-KAY?!?!?!?!


Jesus. 

What.

EVER. 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:52 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

 


> ..That was the Chinese...


 

Nah, that was Democracy, not Punk Canada.

 

 

 

Blessed are the Cracked for 

  they let in the Light,

    others all are just a..

      'nother brick in the Wall

 

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From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net> 
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

 

That was the Chinese mate. Sorry. 

On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:32, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

The UK invented British punk?
 
Given this stunning logic, I would like to congratulate Canada for inventing
"Canadian punk."
 
 

 

 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Olly 
Sent: Sep 6, 2012 10:08 AM 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] punk 



"However, the UK did invent punk"

The *FUCK* it did.

Alex in NYC

The UK DID invent British Punk, which is far superior to US Punk ;)




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