[kj] Raven

[wessidetempest .]

I agree with everything you've said.  Ministry is a bad influence on everyone involved and it's pretty well known for the last 2 decades.  Jaz really said nothing that helped him or his cause (whatever it may be at that moment).It seems that when someone makes a statement like that they are trying to create a juicy, dramatic, tidbit that gets people talking and thus brings them attention.Maybe it's a back handed way of slagging Ministry. "Al killed Raven".And I thought Geordie was homeless.  Isn't their "bonus footage" on the Gathering DVD where they are interviewing Jaz on how prior to 2003 Geordie was essentially homeless and how he would never work with Big Paul again.  I watched it somewhere.I can imagine Geordie and Raven being in limbo states but I found it difficult to imagine Youth in that state.
And I criticize Jaz for not stepping up and helping if heroin was truly a problem.  Having stopped using 24 years ago I witnessed many people struggling with trying to help friends and loved ones get off of it.  In some cases people are scared.  Literally.  It's like they are afraid that they will start using themselves if they intervene.  I guess with any addiction if someone is truly at the point of destruction you have to step up.  Even if they get mad.  In the end if they make it out they will thank you for it and you may likely become closer.  Again I am saying this from experience.
eh enough of my yacking. Let's boogie
Chris

From: rob.moss at gmx.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:04:52 +0200
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Raven

This is really sad to read. I wonder why Jaz felt the need to say that?Raven did have a dark side but I never saw him do anything stronger than dope and I spent a lot of time with him when he was splitting up with Nova. I'm not convinced at all. I do agree that ministry was the end for him though and think that certain people could have done him bigger favours. 
Just don't see the benefit in making this statement and feel disappointed. 
On 16 Jul 2013, at 09:28, Were Wolf <werewolf68 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:




I am sure we all still miss Paul Vincent Raven. He was a great Killing Joke bass player.
I was sad when I read this recently:
"2003 was probably the darkest period of my life ever and probably everybody in the band, certainly Geordie and Raven. I'm not surprised one of us died actually...Raven and Youth were homeless...Everybody had been through hell by then. Everyone had drug and alcohol problems. There was lots of violence...I had such bad panic attacks. Geordie was not in a good way. Raven was really bad. Not only was he drinking with us but ever since we met Raven, he would flirt with heroin. When he went off with Ministry it was the fucking end of him.""When Raven fucked off, I knew he was after something he left in his flat, so I fucking jimmied the window open to find out what Raven was after. He had been up to fucking monkey business in this place. All the tinfoil stuff that smackies use."
- Jaz 'Vive le Rock' magazine interview May/June 2013 Issue No. 12 		 	   		  
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