[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

Paul Rangecroft paul.rangecroft at gmail.com
Fri Jul 18 15:52:45 EDT 2014 

Geordie said in some video interview online that originally the
Democracy album had lots of dance loops in the mixes (not unlike the
previous album, obviously) and that his guitar parts were written to
complement them. Youth then removed the dance loops late in the
production process but there was no opportunity for Geordie to
rerecord his guitars.

I believe Savage Freedom was an exception to this and the mix on the
album is Geordie's. It's the only song from the album that I listen to
on a regular basis.

I do have a lot of respect for Youth as a producer but that was not
his finest hour.

On 7/18/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:
> Yep, it's far from being KJ's worst effort.  I was disappointed at the time,
> partly because my expectations were high after Pandemonium, and partly
> because the tour fizzled out.  And Geordie's criticism is probably fair...
>
>
> I'd love to see some of the tracks live... Aeon especially.
>
>
> Jamie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 6:54
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
>
>
> Democracy isn't a favourite album, but it's not wholly shite. Savage Freedom
> is
> one of my favourite KJ songs. Sums up the Killing Joke ethos & pathos
> perfectly.
> I'd soil my pantaloons for an album of songs like it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuR8046V4hw
>
> Geordie reckons Youth munted the production - drowned out his strings. Let's
>
> hear a remastered / reproduced version?
>
> bq
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Harper
> Sent: Friday, 18 July 2014 3:38 a.m.
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
>
> I loved the mixture of punishing KJ riffs with techno/ambient elements. I
> was a
> big fan of the 90s ambient scene (William Orbit was amazing), so I was
> pretty
> happy to find an album that straddled the worlds of ambient and metal.
>
> Obviously Democracy sucked. I can support the idea of transforming the
> band's
> sound with each album, but that should be part of the recording process, not
> a
> last-minute stab at fucking about with a finished album. I would rather have
>
> heard another album in the same vein as Pandemonium; it might not have been
>
> wholly original, but at least it wouldn't have been wholly shite either.
>
> EDAVRE and Pandemonium saw the band getting a lot of new publicity and fame
> with
> a new generation of fans. Democracy (and their own self-destructive
> tendencies)
> pretty much killed that off, leaving us with another protracted hiatus.
>
> Jim.
>
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> On Thu, 17/7/14, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
>  To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
>  Date: Thursday, 17 July, 2014, 12:23
>
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>  #yiv0787345728 Youth's attempts in the 90s to inject dance  music into KJ,
>
> mainly Pandemonium I suppose, were a bit lame  and smacked of being
> desperate.
> The early 90s must have been a  difficult period for KJ, like other
> post-punkers. Throughout  the 80s they were strongly associated with the
> post-punk/alternative scene, which had an easy-to-find  audience through the
> NME
> and Melody Maker - pop papers  which were equally entrenched in the
> alternative
> genre.  But in the  late 80s and early 90s the aforementioned publications
>
> brushed aside The Cult, Mission and Jesus & MC from the  front cover and
> replaced them with dance/indie bands like  Happy Mondays, Stone Roses and
> PWEI.
> Stalwart bands from the  alternative scene had a bit of an identity crisis
> as
> their  fans started popping Es and listening to something else.
>  Even U2 lost their way here until coming back with the funky  sounding
> 'Achtung
> Baby'. Jesus & MC had a go at  the dance thing with 'Blues from a gun'. The
> Cult
> couldn't dance if they tried so went full-on hard  rock.
>  It might have
>  been an accident, but KJ had a crack at metal with  'Dirt...' and found a
> bit
> of an audience when metal  rags like Kerrang started paying attention. But
> then
> Youth  came back onboard and, metaphorically, dished out the Es to  Jaz and
>
> Geordie resulting in Pandemonium.
>  Pandemonium is a great album
>  despite, rather than because of, the dancey excursions of  Youth.
>  KJ had done the
>  earlier dance thing - i.e disco/funk - very well in 1980  because they were
>
> connected with that scene. But I can't  imagine Jaz and Geordie were
> scouring
> the M25 c1989 looking  for raves and trying to get sorted for Es and whizz.
> I
> expect Youth was, but he was probably driving the wrong way  around the
> motorway, stoned, and dealing with oncoming  traffic.
>  Ha-ha. Youth
>  gets such a hard time on the Gathering sometimes, but  let's just remind
> ourselves: he's  brilliant!
>
>
>
>
>
>  > From:
>  rob.moss at gmx.com
>  > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014
>  19:47:31 +0100
>  > To:
>  gathering at misera.net
>  > Subject: Re: [kj]
>  Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
>  >
>  > Can't polish a
>  turd!!!!
>  >
>  > > On
>  16 Jul 2014, at 19:25, Nick Scott
>  <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > > If youth is such a brilliant
>  producer, why on earth has his production
>  > > work on KJ albums been so sketchy!
>  > >
>  > >> On 16
>  July 2014 17:39, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  > >> Ha! That's a great
>  claim to fame!
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >> On
>  16 Jul 2014, at 17:17, Tabazan <tabazan at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  > >>
>  >
>  >> I poured a pint over Dave Gilmour in a pub once . .
>  by mistake I hasten to
>  > >> add! He
>  was very nice about it (I was rather drunk)
>  > >>
>  > >>
>
>  > >>
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