[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

[Paul Rangecroft]

Indeed. Wish I'd been at the BTATS shows too, just to be able to say I
heard those songs live. You can get a bit of a sense for what the
original album would have sounded like with the YouTube clips, anyway.
Agree with Ade that Democracy demos would be interesting. Perhaps we
could start a Kickstarter campaign going to pay Youth the £150,000 or
so to undo the damage?

'Aeon' isn't a bad song but I'd be lying if I said I listened to it a
lot. Appropriately named as it seems to last an eternity. 'Absent
Friends' captures the sentiment well but I don't listen to KJ for that
particular sweet sorrow. Generally I listen to them because it's the
music that most articulately expresses the insanely fucked-up nature
of the world we live in, but sometimes just because they're damn good
tunes.

On 7/19/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:
> Still.  Wish I'd been there!
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> From: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>
> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:43
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> And didn't Jaz have a cold?  Aeon's here:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDKPOtHhNo
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> ...and the rest of it is available on youtube.
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> The sound is pretty muddy, and Jaz is growling a bit...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:33
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> Yes, that rings a bell, Jamie.
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> We had a bootleg from Amsterdam '96 gig on the old site. Don't have it
> anymore but it must be knocking around someone. Jon will probably have
> it. Never gave it much of a listen because the quality wasn't great
> and they were obviously stoned out of their minds because the playing
> wasn't very good either, which is really rare for them. But I do
> recall it sounded different so, yes, the loops could have been in.
>
> On 7/18/14, Jamie Hewson <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed. I think I remember him saying he wrote and played all his parts
>> high up to complement them but youth took them out to make it more US
>> radio
>> friendly?
>>
>> Am I right in believing that the few live shows for Democracy had the
>> loops?
>> I seem to remember someone on here saying as much but I may be wrong.
>> Would love to hear a version with them back in but it'll never happen.
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Geordie said in some video interview online that originally the
>>> Democracy album had lots of dance loops in the mixes (not unlike the
>>> previous album, obviously) and that his guitar parts were written to
>>> complement them. Youth then removed the dance loops late in the
>>> production process but there was no opportunity for Geordie to
>>> rerecord his guitars.
>>>
>>> I believe Savage Freedom was an exception to this and the mix on the
>>> album is Geordie's. It's the only song from the album that I listen to
>>> on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> I do have a lot of respect for Youth as a producer but that was not
>>> his finest hour.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <javascript:;> <jpwhkj at aol.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yep, it's far from being KJ's worst effort.  I was disappointed at the
>>> time,
>>> > partly because my expectations were high after Pandemonium, and partly
>>> > because the tour fizzled out.  And Geordie's criticism is probably
>>> fair...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd love to see some of the tracks live... Aeon especially.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jamie
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