[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

[Jim Harper]

That's what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...

On Sat, 25/4/15, Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
 To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
 Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 18:10
 
 For me, Industrial might
 include Throbbing Gristle & SPK and perhaps the likes of
 some of the more experimental Krautrock groups (perhaps the
 likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad Schnitzler and
 Einsturzende Neubaten), but that’s about it!!
 
 Shouty goth / metal with or
 without drum machines and / or synths does not equal
 Industrial music
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
 On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
 Sent: 25 April
 2015 15:50
 To: A list about all things
 Killing Joke (the band!)
 Subject: [kj]
 Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
 
 I’m gong to try to revive discussions here,
 as most of the KJ groups on Facebook are public, and I
 don’t necessarily want to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
 friends with my Joke-related concerns (more than I already
 do). 
 
 I’m sure we’ve
 addressed this at various points in the past, but why are
 Killing Joke ever cited as “industrial”?
 
 Maybe sensibility-wise they
 have something in common, but when it comes to the signature
 trappings of all things Industrial — whether your
 definition of same stems from originators like Throbbing
 Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or laughable
 latter-day dinks who wear space goggles and black fishnet
 stockings in your local shopping mall — Killing Joke have
 never really strayed from guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
 banging on metal or pile-drivers of clinky-clanky things at
 all.
 
 I mean, there are
 assuredly elements of metal and punk (and, for that matter,
 traces of reggae and disco ) in the actual *sound* of the
 band, but I never had seen how they’ve been qualified as
 Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an industrial band than
 Public Image Ltd. are/were.
 
 Of course, loads of industrial bands have
 ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.), but
 that doesn’t make the `Joke industrial.
 
 At all.
 
 No it doesn’t.
 
 Weigh in, haters.
 
 Alex in NYC
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