[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

[Jim Harper]

I agree, it wouldn't be. But there is a clear conceptual line between Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, SPK et al and Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails. It isn't exactly a stretch to posit an evolving concept behind these acts.

On Sat, 25/4/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
 To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
 Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 19:14
 
 Well, yes and no. The
 very term "Industrial" comes with specific
 connotations regarding instrumentation. If Skinny Puppy
 recorded an album on acoustic guitars, it would not be
 industrial. 
 
 Again,
 regardless, it has nothing to do with Killing Joke. 
 
 Alex in NYC 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:26
 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
 wrote:
 > 
 > That's
 what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...
 > 
 > On Sat, 25/4/15,
 Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Subject:
 Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
 > To: "'A list about all things
 Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
 > Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 18:10
 > 
 > For me, Industrial
 might
 > include Throbbing Gristle &
 SPK and perhaps the likes of
 > some of
 the more experimental Krautrock groups (perhaps the
 > likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad
 Schnitzler and
 > Einsturzende Neubaten),
 but that’s about it!!
 > 
 > Shouty goth / metal with or
 > without drum machines and / or synths does
 not equal
 > Industrial music
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
 > On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
 > Sent: 25 April
 > 2015
 15:50
 > To: A list about all things
 > Killing Joke (the band!)
 > Subject: [kj]
 > Killing
 Joke is not an Industrial band
 > 
 > I’m gong to try to revive discussions
 here,
 > as most of the KJ groups on
 Facebook are public, and I
 > don’t
 necessarily want to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
 > friends with my Joke-related concerns
 (more than I already
 > do). 
 > 
 > I’m sure
 we’ve
 > addressed this at various
 points in the past, but why are
 > Killing
 Joke ever cited as “industrial”?
 >
 
 > Maybe sensibility-wise they
 > have something in common, but when it
 comes to the signature
 > trappings of all
 things Industrial — whether your
 >
 definition of same stems from originators like Throbbing
 > Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or
 laughable
 > latter-day dinks who wear
 space goggles and black fishnet
 >
 stockings in your local shopping mall — Killing Joke
 have
 > never really strayed from
 guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
 > banging
 on metal or pile-drivers of clinky-clanky things at
 > all.
 > 
 > I mean, there are
 >
 assuredly elements of metal and punk (and, for that
 matter,
 > traces of reggae and disco ) in
 the actual *sound* of the
 > band, but I
 never had seen how they’ve been qualified as
 > Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an
 industrial band than
 > Public Image Ltd.
 are/were.
 > 
 > Of
 course, loads of industrial bands have
 >
 ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.),
 but
 > that doesn’t make the `Joke
 industrial.
 > 
 > At
 all.
 > 
 > No it
 doesn’t.
 > 
 > Weigh
 in, haters.
 > 
 > Alex
 in NYC
 >
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