[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

Mon Apr 27 18:20:43 EDT 2015

I always felt that they helped invent industrial music. Butcher and Who Told You How... way ahead of their time. But as has already been said, they weren't limited to that. 

Talking of Murder Inc, who else finds that album really hard work to listen to because of the production? Some monstrous guitar riffs and the singing is cool, but no matter how loud you play it, it feels like they're in another room.
      From: jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
 To: gathering at misera.net 
Cc: jpwhkj at aol.com 
 Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015, 23:13
 Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

"Whatever Jaz brings seems to elevate them above industrial music."
Like the growly vocals maybe?  ;-)
I can see elements of industrial in there, but elements of lots of other things too.
I guess I don't see industrial as being that funky - the dance element in industrial seemed to be the driving beat, rather than a funky groove.  KJ have usually had buckets of the latter.
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:44
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

I agree that they're not industrial, however I would say that Murder
Inc and
Damage Manual were (possibly Pigface also - not sure, never
listened to them)
so clearly there is an association. Whatever Jaz
brings seems to elevate them
above industrial music.

On 4/26/15, wessidetempest .
<wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I never thought killing joke was
industrial. Nor is (good) Ministry, NIN,
> KMFDM. Etc etc. beyond the obvious
acts like throbbing gristle, einsturzende
> etc I would put skinny puppy in
there. Mainly because their work is a
> cacophony of samples of sounds when put
together make music. I can
> understand while all these bands get lumped
together. It was simply
> convenient for the times (80s).
> The majority of
what is called industrial today is either crap dance music
> or crap metal. In
my iTunes I label killing joke as post-punk. NIN KMFDM etc
> are in
alternative.
>
> Chris
>
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Alexander Smith
<vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, yes and no. The very term
"Industrial" comes with specific
>> connotations regarding instrumentation. If
Skinny Puppy recorded an album
>> on acoustic guitars, it would not be
industrial.
>>
>> Again, regardless, it has nothing to do with Killing
Joke.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2015,
at 1:26 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's
what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...
>>>
>>> On Sat,
25/4/15, Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re:
[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>>> To: "'A list about all things
Killing Joke (the band!)'"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Date: Saturday, 25
April, 2015, 18:10
>>>
>>> For me, Industrial might
>>> include Throbbing
Gristle & SPK and perhaps the likes of
>>> some of the more experimental
Krautrock groups (perhaps the
>>> likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad
Schnitzler and
>>> Einsturzende Neubaten), but that's about it!!
>>>
>>>
Shouty goth / metal with or
>>> without drum machines and / or synths does not
equal
>>> Industrial music
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Alexander
Smith
>>> Sent: 25 April
>>> 2015 15:50
>>> To: A list about all things
>>>
Killing Joke (the band!)
>>> Subject: [kj]
>>> Killing Joke is not an
Industrial band
>>>
>>> I'm gong to try to revive discussions here,
>>> as
most of the KJ groups on Facebook are public, and I
>>> don't necessarily want
to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
>>> friends with my Joke-related concerns (more
than I already
>>> do).
>>>
>>> I'm sure we've
>>> addressed this at various
points in the past, but why are
>>> Killing Joke ever cited as
"industrial"?
>>>
>>> Maybe sensibility-wise they
>>> have something in
common, but when it comes to the signature
>>> trappings of all things
Industrial -- whether your
>>> definition of same stems from originators like
Throbbing
>>> Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or laughable
>>>
latter-day dinks who wear space goggles and black fishnet
>>> stockings in your
local shopping mall -- Killing Joke have
>>> never really strayed from
guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
>>> banging on metal or pile-drivers of
clinky-clanky things at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> I mean, there are
>>> assuredly
elements of metal and punk (and, for that matter,
>>> traces of reggae and
disco ) in the actual *sound* of the
>>> band, but I never had seen how they've
been qualified as
>>> Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an industrial band
than
>>> Public Image Ltd. are/were.
>>>
>>> Of course, loads of industrial
bands have
>>> ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.), but
>>>
that doesn't make the `Joke industrial.
>>>
>>> At all.
>>>
>>> No it
doesn't.
>>>
>>> Weigh in, haters.
>>>
>>> Alex in NYC
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> Gathering mailing list
>>>
Gathering at misera.net
>>>
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> Gathering mailing list
>>>
Gathering at misera.net
>>>
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> Gathering mailing list
>>>
Gathering at misera.net
>>>
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>
_______________________________________________
>> Gathering mailing list
>>
Gathering at misera.net
>>
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
_______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
>
Gathering at misera.net
>
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
_______________________________________________
Gathering
mailing
list
Gathering at misera.net
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering at misera.net
https://pairlist4.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://pairlist4.pair.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20150427/38ea5762/attachment-0001.html>