[kj] Lecture last night

Mon Jun 22 09:48:04 EDT 2015

I totally agree Rob... it's just that I can't square the man's intelligence
with the increasing
distance he's travelling away from fact-based reality. I have only spent
time/chatted with him a handful
of times in the last few decades but he's
always been warm and friendly.

I think I feel a bit like when I went to see my (84 year old) mum
the other day and she said she'd decided to start reading the Daily Mail
;-) Nooooo!

On 22 June 2015 at 15:05, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and I
> think he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite easily
> start a cult. He does already have a cult following really. And that's why
> I am always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
>
> I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians, politicians,
> business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a distance!!
>
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> On 22 Jun 2015, at 13:23, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> wrote:
>
> I took him very seriously when I was 17 or so - quite a while ago,
> admittedly ;-)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
> >
> CC: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:14
> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>
>   As do most people as they get older!
>
>  I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
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> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:16, jpwhkj--- via Gathering < gathering at misera.net>
> wrote:
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>   " among a whole pack of very dumb conspiracies"
>
>   You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
>
>   <sigh>
>
>   Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
> interesting.  They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized
> tediousness.
>
>   Jamie
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Perry < 65snoopy at gmail.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:27
> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>
>          Thanks for that.
>  I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer
> voice) that we've put up with
>  a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large part
> of it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
>  the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
> because I was never
>  being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
> researching and practising
>  various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the
> vibe of the music, and I
>  was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
>
>  However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I find...
> what's a polite word...
>  irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is
> particularly irksome.
>  The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very
> dumb conspiracies...
>  it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that this
> is some sort of multi-layered
>  joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this has
> any basis in reality.
>  'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
> 'contrails' - and are formed when
>  plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in the
> cold air. This is what those
>  trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
> dissipate (and note, contrary to
>  the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing - if
> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
>  sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
>  Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is working
>  for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
>  work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of trained
> pilots, who presumably have to
> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse me,
> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
>
>  OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy of
> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
>
>  On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>   So, last night then.
>>
>>  First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100
>> Gatherers to India at some point (October next year, I think) to complete a
>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various temples. I
>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established Hindu
>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
>>
>>  “If you’re on the dole and can’t afford it, we’ll just find a way for
>> you to go”.
>>
>>  Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as “mentors” to the 100 to
>> help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet at
>> the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how much
>> life has changed.
>>
>>  Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the
>> country between tour dates.
>>
>>  The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want
>> to, to identify their inner genius.
>>
>>  Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New
>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of that
>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre of
>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we heard about
>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of population
>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water….
>>
>>  Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put something
>> down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.
>>
>>  Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came and
>> I turned around to see that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left early; I
>> wasn’t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through
>> non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.
>>
>>  For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
>> (can’t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn’t name the
>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn’t you name the senator? It
>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
>>
>>  Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a member
>> of KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great
>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
>>
>>  Obviously he’s referring to BPF here… but c’mon, are we seriously
>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we supposed to
>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly, in
>> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and going to
>> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to that
>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the toes
>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works part-time
>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let this
>> guy into my inner sanctum and I’m going to tell him everything.’
>>
>>  Course he didn’t do that. Course he f-ing didn’t.
>>
>>  The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though
>> again it’s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this
>> topic had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
>>
>>  He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left
>> the stage quickly.
>>
>>  Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve missed.
>> It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and I think it’s
>> great that he does these things.
>>
>>  He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of
>> humour.
>>
>>  About 5/10 for content.
>>
>>  8/10 for delivery.
>>
>>
>>
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