[kj] Oil City Temple

Mon Oct 19 09:55:40 EDT 2015

If you're not surprised & delighted by TDARS doco I'll be surprised and
deflated.

Has anyone who's seen it not thought it's brilliant? (Not a rhetorical
question)

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Subject: [kj] Oil City Temple

Second that - fantastic documentary that ANY music fan should see.
Beautifully made. Temp,e has another doc out called 'the ecstasy of Wilko
Johnson' - not seen that one.
I haven't seen the KJ doc yet but I'd be surprised if it is as well put
together as the aforementioned.

Jon

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>   1. Re: [KJ] On Fucking Topic..... (Alexander Smith)
>   2. Re: Pylon further... (Alexander Smith)
>   3. Re: Pylon further... (Jim Harper)
>   4. Re: Pylon further... (Alexander Smith)
>   5. Re: Pylon further... (GREG SLAWSON)
>   6. Re: Pylon further... (wessidetempest .)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:05:47 -0400
> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> Cc: jpwhkj at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] On Fucking Topic.....
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> Not to drum it all up, but I have to say ? in the wake of seeing ?Oil City
Confidential? (Julien Temple?s documentary about proto-punk pub rock legends
Dr. Feelgood), I found myself questions some of my earlier beliefs ? not
least as Richard Hell (the inarguable precursor to the Sex Pistols) cops to
being wowed by Wilko Johnson.
> 
> That said, the Stooges predate all that, so it remains the USA!
> 
> Glad we settled that.
> 
> By the way, ?Oil City Confidential? is a MUST FUCKING SEE.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering
<gathering at misera.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Top ten gathering topics, 1996-2015:
>> 
>> 1. Punk - born in the USA?
>> 2. OT posts - love 'em or loathe 'em?
>> 3. Are Killing Joke a goth band?
>> 4. The new album (whichsoever it may be) - it's a bit good, right?
>> 5. Er....
>> 6. That's it.
>> 
>> (With apologies to Private Eye)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 9:57
>> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] On Fucking Topic.....
>> 
>> I did say needless argument AND discussion, so yeah some of it was
discussed, some of it was needless, most of it is irrelevant.
>> On 18 October 2015 at 09:04 Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com
<>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't agree at all. I think it has been a very respectful, 
>> illuminating discussion and, as Adam pointed out, on topic in a broad 
>> sense. It sounds like Nick is the only one who needs to calm down.
>> It's nice to see some activity of any sort on the list, new album or 
>> no new album.
>> 
>>> On 10/17/15, Adam Helfer via Gathering <gathering at misera.net <>> wrote:
>>> I agree also..
>>> 
>>> Im trying to put shit to rest...
>>> Putting shit to rest, sometimes maybe takes 5 minutes,,
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Oct 17, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <>>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I cannot believe (actually that's a lie) that this fucking thread 
>>>> has turned into a needless argument and discussion about 
>>>> vegetarianism/veganism/meat eaters.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a fucking new album about to be unleashed that some of us 
>>>> have heard and others are awaiting to discuss, these events happen 
>>>> once every 3 years or so.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a fucking series of screenings of Death & Resurrection 
>>>> Show at art cinemas across the UK for the UK gatherers to discuss 
>>>> and even possibly arrange pre-screening meets.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a fucking series of concerts about to happen in both the 
>>>> UK this autumn and the US the beginning of next year to discuss.
>>>> 
>>>> Peace out guys, seriously.
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> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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> Herewith my review of PYLON?
> 
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age-
> of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html 
> <http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html>
> 
> Your thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
> 
> Ale xin NYC
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>> 
>> Since we're looking for more Pylon discussion, I'll enlarge on my
comments, informed by listening to the album on repeat since it became
available.
>> 
>> In terms of consistency, for me this is the band's strongest album since
Night Time. The general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks
(Delete and New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album
since NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I
simply can't get into. That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when
I hear the extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>> 
>> As to quality, the best songs from Pylon are among the best the band have
released from Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New
Cold War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al. 
>> 
>> In other words, it's a late-period masterpiece, a truly great
achievement.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
Harper (Noir Publishing).
>> 
>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>> 
>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
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> From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
Harper (Noir Publishing).
> 
> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
> 
> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
bookstores.
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
> 
> Herewith my review of
> PYLON?
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age-
> of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
> Your
> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
> Ale
> xin NYC
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Since we're looking for more Pylon
> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to the 
> album on repeat since it became available.
> 
> In terms of consistency,
> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and New 
> Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since NT has 
> included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I simply can't 
> get into.
> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the extra 
> tracks, but that's my current assessment.
> 
> As to quality, the best
> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
> 
> In other words, it's a late-period
> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The
> Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
> 
> "Fascinating
> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
> 
> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good 
> bookstores.
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> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:37:40 -0400
> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>    <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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> I believe I first read that on the initial NME write-up. It?s possible the
notion of a triptych didn?t reveal itself until they were composing this
third one.
> 
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
Harper (Noir Publishing).
>> 
>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>> 
>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
bookstores.
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
>> 
>> Herewith my review of
>> PYLON?
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
>> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>> Your
>> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>> Ale
>> xin NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
>> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> Since we're looking for more Pylon
>> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to the 
>> album on repeat since it became available.
>> 
>> In terms of consistency,
>> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
>> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and New 
>> Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since NT has 
>> included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I simply 
>> can't get into.
>> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the extra 
>> tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>> 
>> As to quality, the best
>> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
>> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
>> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
>> 
>> In other words, it's a late-period
>> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by 
>> Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>> 
>> "Fascinating
>> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
>> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>> 
>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all 
>> good bookstores.
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> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:33:33 -0400
> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>    <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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> 
> Solid review good for both old and new listeners. Good balance of 
> discussing the music as well as lyrics. My favorite part was about the 
> anemic piffle (2015 music)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:07 PM, "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>> 
>> Herewith my review of PYLON?
>> 
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
>> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>> 
>> Your thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>> 
>> Ale xin NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon discussion, I'll enlarge on my
comments, informed by listening to the album on repeat since it became
available.
>>> 
>>> In terms of consistency, for me this is the band's strongest album since
Night Time. The general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks
(Delete and New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album
since NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I
simply can't get into. That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when
I hear the extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>> 
>>> As to quality, the best songs from Pylon are among the best the band
have released from Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The
Unknown, New Cold War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our
God et al. 
>>> 
>>> In other words, it's a late-period masterpiece, a truly great
achievement.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by
Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
bookstores.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Gathering mailing list
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> Well done Alex. And yes I did not noticing the triptych until this record.
So I wonder if it is a preemptive statement. Meaning Killing Joke will not
continue as it currently stands. Members may be to busy to record tour. Or
have other interests. Only time will tell. 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:37 PM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
wrote:
>> 
>> I believe I first read that on the initial NME write-up. It?s possible
the notion of a triptych didn?t reveal itself until they were composing this
third one.
>> 
>> Alex in NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by
Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
bookstores.
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
>>> 
>>> Herewith my review of
>>> PYLON?
>>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-ag
>>> e-of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>>> Your
>>> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>>> Ale
>>> xin NYC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
>>> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon
>>> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to 
>>> the album on repeat since it became available.
>>> 
>>> In terms of consistency,
>>> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
>>> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and 
>>> New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since 
>>> NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I 
>>> simply can't get into.
>>> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the 
>>> extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>> 
>>> As to quality, the best
>>> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
>>> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
>>> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
>>> 
>>> In other words, it's a late-period
>>> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, 
>>> by Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating
>>> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
>>> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all 
>>> good bookstores.
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