[kj] kj] Age of Greed- Veggie Heaven

Mon Oct 19 14:12:15 EDT 2015

I tried being a veggie a few years ago but only lasted 6 months. I missed meat too much and got bored with soya etc.

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>
Sent: 19 October 2015 08:12
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Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age of Greed- Veggie Heaven

I suppose I'm just talking about the (vast?) majority of meat
consumption, definitely our Westernised version. Certainly this and your
previous post do raise some interesting points, as compared to "in a
Bear Grylls-type survival situation, my diet would win" (a real quote!
though perhaps you don't know who Bear Grylls is... in which case, lucky
you!). ButI feel I'm dealing with the reality of meat-eating, what 99.9%
of meat-eaters in this country are part of, not the general theory.

Fair point though about many veggies/vegans getting their food from
halfway across the world.

If the power grid goes down, we're all doomed. Oh hang on, we're all
doomed anyway ;-)

Dave in Edinburgh

On 19/10/2015 15:55, Adam Helfer via Gathering wrote:
> You're not arguing with a meat eater here - and il say that the sentiment expressed here is (again) based on the over taking of the conventional/industrial feedlot model from the small farm grow/raise your own model that proceeded it..
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> There was a spokesperson from PETA who said-  if every farm was like Joel Salitans, there would be no PETA...
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> And there wouldn't be the sickness associated with animal products either,.
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> Vegetarianism and specifically Veganism is mainly a by product of the conventional food system -making people sick and it's cruel methods of processing and handling.
>   That boomed after the influx of Indian Swamis preaching vegetarianism in the west in late 60's or so..
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> What to speak if the power grid went down - veggies here I know get most of their food from halfway across the world..
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> I was going to add to the 'karma'/birth talk --
> The same philosophies that bring you 'karma' , also state that this reality/world is "illusion"
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> So illusory/matrix tender juicy steak, or illusory kale ?
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> But - it's the essense/'energetics' of ones mindsets and imprints of our actions and reactions that creates this 'karma' /create ones reality
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> So, it's pretty simple to see there is a different between a hunter who respects the land, has reverence for the animals, and is grateful for feeding their family--  and an arrogant bragging hunter..
> Although they are both doing the same thing,.
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> And yes an image of  lording over a big steak w a glass of red wine,  conjures up a sort of   'age of greed' imagine and perhaps mindset,,
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> Different than a Goji berry smoothie or sushi and sake..
> But, it all depends on the individual and their mindset..
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> Adam
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:10 AM, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk wrote:
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>> Been away on tour so missed this thread as it was happening. Having just read through it though, one thing that seems to have been missed is much mention of the horrific cruelty to animals involved in meat consumption. Is it really "just up to individual choice" to cause (directly or indirectly, with variation in the degrees) such cruelty? Can I treat my cute little puppy (sometimes really) badly for a few months then kill it because, well, I enjoy doing that?
>> Anyway, just throwing in some sleep-deprived thoughts... arguing with meat-eaters is pretty much as futile a passtime as there is... worse than waiting on Gems Of Power, even... PLUS, I see my download of a certain band's new album has just finished! To hell wit
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>> Dave in Edinbur
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>>> On 17/10/2015 18:47, Jim Harper wrote:
>>> I didn't say it did, and never would say it does. As I said, that's my opinion, like I said at the very start of the thread, I don't and never will tell people how to live their lives.
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>>> If that's lameness, so be it.
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>>> Jim.
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>>> On Sat, 17/10/15, Adam Helfer via Gathering<gathering at misera.net>   wrote:
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>>>   And no Jim, that has nothing to do w being pissed when
>>>   someone says mm bacon in response to ones veggieness. That's
>>>   just weak lameness..
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>>>   When all sentiment and half truths are shaken out- being
>>>   veggie is just a personal choice - no more, no less - and
>>>   someone should be respected for a conscious personal
>>>   choice,.
>>>
>>>   Adam
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