[kj] Trump

[Rob Moss]

2 boys

Fine young men. 

> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:13, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Show of hands, please -- anyone here have any children? Just out of curiosity.
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> Alex in NYC
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rheinhold Squeegee 
> Sent: Nov 10, 2016 4:12 PM 
> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump 
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> Which logical fallacy to start with... Maybe we should just go straight to confirmation bias.
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> We get it; racism is bad. But to you it's the Worst Thing. And anyone that you believe contributes to the Worst Thing must also be the Worst Thing. HRC is many things: self-loathing woman; self-loathing white person; liar; exploiter; criminal, but she's not a racist, therefore she's not the Worst Thing.
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> The anti-Trump crowd has learned nothing from yesterday. Instead, they're doubling down on the vitriolic rhetoric and the end result will be eight years of Trump instead of four. Better yet, assassinate him and lock things down for the next 20 years.
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> Strong work. Keep it up.
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> From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 2:03:40 PM
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
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> To those who maintain that HRC and Trump were equally bad, please realize that for her myriad failings, Clinton isn't the one that's inspiring the type of bullshit detailed in this link...
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> https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
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> Alex in NYC
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike Cooper 
> Sent: Nov 10, 2016 2:13 PM 
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" 
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump 
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> Apologies for putting an opinion forward Brendan and for putting me in my place.  It’s true I am stupid, have no idea of anything nor know what the holy fuck I am on about.  Again people were not voting for her husband and she was exonerated for the emails rightly or wrongly. 
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> If you read my email you will notice that like Alex I to do not like Clinton, but felt she is infinitely preferable to a bloke whose sole goal is to divide and rule, openly racist, lies, bullies and intimidates people without taking people for granted but is this not exactly what most gatherers I would imagine oppose.  Same with the outcome of Brexit something that will affect me, my family and friends now and certainly in the years to come.
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> But again Brendan answer my question how is Trump going to deal with people who are different?  Who oppose things he does?  Who exercise their democratic right to protest, oppose, speak out etc.  I did not see him denounce people at his rallies openly attacking people who do not support him.
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> Sometimes Brendan you sadly have to pick the lesser of two evils,  but I still agree with Alex 100%.  You’ll have to deal with us and others in the same way we have to deal with him being in power. 
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> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
> Sent: 10 November 2016 11:27
> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
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> ‘Emails and a shit husband’ – how in hell can you make an accurate comparison when you haven’t got the foggiest, faintest glimmer of an idea what the holy fuck you’re on about?
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> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Mike Cooper
> Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 12:21 a.m.
> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
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> Thanks Brendan for reminding me that being part of the supposed counter-culture actually means supporting a right-wing, racist,  homophobic, sexist, arrogant, selfish, ego maniac.  Silly me.  
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> So as part of my “new” counter-culture actions,  tonight I am going to go to my local Mexican restaurant and ask the waiters to leave the UK as they are clearly all rapists.  Then I am going to go to my local pub and grab a few bar maids by the pussy because that is fine to do!  
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> As a counter-culture fanatic and a self-employed person I am from now not going to pay any tax either.  Tax is for idiots and successful business men but maybe I will get bailed out by some rich Saudi’s.
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> As a counter-culture fanatic I will also now no longer listen to anyone else, take advice and kick the shit out of anyone who dares to disagree with me.
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> For the record you will probably won’t find one Gatherer who is fond of Clinton in anyway but as for options between the two – come on?  Emails and a shit husband over a Nazi what do you expect people to say?  But the fact that most people wanted a horrendous character like Clinton to win says it all about Trump.  But answer one question what do you really think Trump will make of counter-culture, alternative views, freedom of expression, thought, music, film etc.  Come on let me know?  Coz as far as I am concerned that side of things in America is fucked – from now on anyone with a slightly opposing point of view is going to be attacked, ridiculed and in the firing line in exactly the same way the post Brexit arse wiping right wing bigots now feel is okay to tell any non –white or non-English person to “get out of my country”. 
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> As for being clueless about Brexit whilst the EU is far from perfect but it has pretty much already cost my brother his job as a UK chemist working in Sweden on a drug that cures cancer – his position to stay is becoming untenable with the company as the funding for this work is from the EU.  Also with regard to Brexit my own profession is reliant of the millions of pounds from the ERDF which is two years will go.  That means £178 million allocated to the economically poor black country for small business, infrastructure, transport, education and training, grants and environmental and community improvements WILL GO along with thousands of potential jobs. 
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> But as with Trump and Clinton, Farage et al lied.  They lied about everything and the masses bought it.  As I said to a UKIP supporting acquaintance in the pub at the weekend who said Corbyns policies would bankrupt the country – “won’t he have an extra £350m a day to spend”?
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