[kj] Trump

Thu Nov 10 17:40:08 EST 2016

Ive got a 13 year old daughter. I try and introduce her to interesting
music but she's not having any of it.

On 10 Nov 2016 22:13, "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> Show of hands, please -- anyone here have any children? Just out of
> curiosity.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rheinhold Squeegee
> Sent: Nov 10, 2016 4:12 PM
> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
>
> Which logical fallacy to start with... Maybe we should just go straight to
> confirmation bias.
>
>
> We get it; racism is bad. But to you it's the Worst Thing. And anyone that
> you believe contributes to the Worst Thing must also be the Worst Thing.
> HRC is many things: self-loathing woman; self-loathing white person; liar;
> exploiter; criminal, but she's not a racist, therefore she's not the Worst
> Thing.
>
>
> The anti-Trump crowd has learned nothing from yesterday. Instead, they're
> doubling down on the vitriolic rhetoric and the end result will be eight
> years of Trump instead of four. Better yet, assassinate him and lock things
> down for the next 20 years.
>
>
> Strong work. Keep it up.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alex Smith <
> vassifer at earthlink.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 2:03:40 PM
> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all
> things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Trump
>
>
> To those who maintain that HRC and Trump were equally bad, please realize
> that for her myriad failings, Clinton isn't the one that's inspiring the
> type of bullshit detailed in this link...
>
> https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cooper
> Sent: Nov 10, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
>
> Apologies for putting an opinion forward Brendan and for putting me in my
> place.  It’s true I am stupid, have no idea of anything nor know what the
> holy fuck I am on about.  Again people were not voting for her husband and
> she was exonerated for the emails rightly or wrongly.
>
>
>
> If you read my email you will notice that like Alex I to do not like
> Clinton, but felt she is infinitely preferable to a bloke whose sole goal
> is to divide and rule, openly racist, lies, bullies and intimidates people
> without taking people for granted but is this not exactly what most
> gatherers I would imagine oppose.  Same with the outcome of Brexit
> something that will affect me, my family and friends now and certainly in
> the years to come.
>
>
>
> But again Brendan answer my question how is Trump going to deal with
> people who are different?  Who oppose things he does?  Who exercise their
> democratic right to protest, oppose, speak out etc.  I did not see him
> denounce people at his rallies openly attacking people who do not support
> him.
>
>
>
> Sometimes Brendan you sadly have to pick the lesser of two evils,  but I
> still agree with Alex 100%.  You’ll have to deal with us and others in the
> same way we have to deal with him being in power.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] *On Behalf Of *Brendan
> Quinn
> *Sent:* 10 November 2016 11:27
> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <
> gathering at misera.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Trump
>
>
>
> ‘Emails and a shit husband’ – how in hell can you make an accurate
> comparison when you haven’t got the foggiest, faintest glimmer of an idea
> what the holy fuck you’re on about?
>
>
>
> *From:* Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
> <gathering-bounces at misera.net>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Cooper
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 November 2016 12:21 a.m.
> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <
> gathering at misera.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Trump
>
>
>
> Thanks Brendan for reminding me that being part of the supposed
> counter-culture actually means supporting a right-wing, racist,
> homophobic, sexist, arrogant, selfish, ego maniac.  Silly me.
>
>
>
> So as part of my “new” counter-culture actions,  tonight I am going to go
> to my local Mexican restaurant and ask the waiters to leave the UK as they
> are clearly all rapists.  Then I am going to go to my local pub and grab a
> few bar maids by the pussy because that is fine to do!
>
>
>
> As a counter-culture fanatic and a self-employed person I am from now not
> going to pay any tax either.  Tax is for idiots and successful business men
> but maybe I will get bailed out by some rich Saudi’s.
>
>
>
> As a counter-culture fanatic I will also now no longer listen to anyone
> else, take advice and kick the shit out of anyone who dares to disagree
> with me.
>
>
>
> For the record you will probably won’t find one Gatherer who is fond of
> Clinton in anyway but as for options between the two – come on?  Emails and
> a shit husband over a Nazi what do you expect people to say?  But the fact
> that most people wanted a horrendous character like Clinton to win says it
> all about Trump.  But answer one question what do you really think Trump
> will make of counter-culture, alternative views, freedom of expression,
> thought, music, film etc.  Come on let me know?  Coz as far as I am
> concerned that side of things in America is fucked – from now on anyone
> with a slightly opposing point of view is going to be attacked, ridiculed
> and in the firing line in exactly the same way the post Brexit arse wiping
> right wing bigots now feel is okay to tell any non –white or non-English
> person to “get out of my country”.
>
>
>
> As for being clueless about Brexit whilst the EU is far from perfect but
> it has pretty much already cost my brother his job as a UK chemist working
> in Sweden on a drug that cures cancer – his position to stay is becoming
> untenable with the company as the funding for this work is from the EU.
> Also with regard to Brexit my own profession is reliant of the millions of
> pounds from the ERDF which is two years will go.  That means £178 million
> allocated to the economically poor black country for small business,
> infrastructure, transport, education and training, grants and environmental
> and community improvements WILL GO along with thousands of potential jobs.
>
>
>
> But as with Trump and Clinton, Farage et al lied.  They lied about
> everything and the masses bought it.  As I said to a UKIP supporting
> acquaintance in the pub at the weekend who said Corbyns policies would
> bankrupt the country – “won’t he have an extra £350m a day to spend”?
>
>
>
> EU has a lot of problems Brendan but I for one believe in communication,
> strategic thinking on the environment, global issues, fishing, migration
> and as someone who believes in counter-culture I believe in the ability,
> choice and personal freedom to go where the fuck I fucking like without
> someone telling me I can’t.
>
>
>
> As for the press everyone buys the press they choose to read. But in the
> UK 85% of ours is owned by three people – all right wing, tax dodging c***s
> basically who like US will influence people to suit themselves.
>
>
>
> As for the emails do you not think Russia was behind that with Assange to
> bring in Trump – after all an America in turmoil is better for them and
> China.
>
>
>
> Enjoy a Trump led America – perhaps you will now all get what you deserve
> but I for one seriously hope not.  But I also worry about where the world
> goes from here.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
> <gathering-bounces at misera.net>] *On Behalf Of *Brendan Quinn
> *Sent:* 10 November 2016 10:16
> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <
> gathering at misera.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Trump
>
>
>
> *That said, as Obama pointed out, the peaceful transition from one
> president to another - no matter how much they disagree - is the hallmark
> of democracy.*
>
> BULLSHIT! Stop buying into platitudes and dead metaphors…and READ WHAT YOU
> JUST WROTE. So the most laudable act of a democratic citizen is to ensure
> the peaceful transition of power from one despot to another?!
>
>
>
> Obama’s a fucking joke, he’s flushed the US Constitution down the shitter
> and here you are lapping up his GOBSHITE DRIVEL.
>
>
>
> The GroupThink / meme replication going on is beyond a fucking joke for a
> group of supposed counter-culture / free thinkers / subversives /
> whatever…I’m so sick of this false fucking narrative.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune_of_the_Plebs
>
>
>
> The checks and balances on power have utterly gone down the gurgler, how
> anyone in the US could mention they’re a journalist without blushing is
> totally beyond me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
> <gathering-bounces at misera.net>] *On Behalf Of *jpwhkj--- via Gathering
> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 November 2016 10:55 p.m.
> *To:* gathering at misera.net
> *Cc:* jpwhkj at aol.com
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Trump
>
>
>
> Yes - Margaret Thatcher promised to bring unity where there was discord,
> Dubya's speech in 2000 was similarly reconciliatory.  So it's standard
> stuff.
>
>
>
> That said, as Obama pointed out, the peaceful transition from one
> president to another - no matter how much they disagree - is the hallmark
> of democracy.  So, much as I regret the result, and its likely impact on
> America and the rest of the world, it's democracy folks.  Just gotta work
> harder to make the world a better place - more intelligent and more
> informed, more thoughtful, kinder.  Most of us can't be Mandela, MLK, etc,
> but we all have the opportunity to make the world a bit better tomorrow
> than it is today.
>
>
>
> But yeah, I'm ashamed of the bigotry, hatred, & narrow-mindedness that's
> been tapped into and legitimised.
>
>
>
> Jamie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
> >
> Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 6:10
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
>
> Thank you, Alex, for brilliantly summing up how I feel. Most victors give
> those reconciliatory sort of acceptance speeches. I don't think they mean
> much. The morally-bankrupt thundercunt's ego will be through the White
> House roof. What did he have to do to lose? This election would have been
> more dignified if the respective parties had put up an actual donkey and
> elephant as candidates. I don't understand people anymore. Brexit was
> embarrassing but this has... well, Trumped it. The ancient Chinese could
> never have imagined times so "interesting". So many Killing Joke lyrics
> come to mind I don't know which one to quote. We're fucked. Democracy: ya
> foired! On 11/9/16, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote: > I
> realize there are some sharp differences of opinion here on the Gathering,
> > but as someone who fucking LIVES here, let me just say that I am >
> incalculably ashamed to be an American today. > > Regardless of your stance
> on policy -- not that Trump ever actually > discussed any tangible policies
> -- how anyone could spend five minutes > listening to that fatuous bag of
> excitement attempt to string coherent > sentence together and think: "yes,
> that man should hold the most powerful > office in the so-called Free
> World" is FUCKING STAGGERINGLY BEYOND MY > COMPREHENSION. > > If you think
> he's a champion for the unsung ---> You are FUCKING FOOLING > yourselves.
> He DOES NOT CARE about you, and that will doubtlessly become > obvious in
> short, catastrophic order. > > > > If you think he's going to "shake things
> up" in Washington -----> You are a > fucking idiot. Putting Trump in the
> White House is like putting a lit > firecracker in a broken toaster. Is it
> going to shake things up? You betcha. > Is it going to fix anything? NOPE.
> > > The message we are sending to the world and to OUR OWN CHILDREN is that
> > racism, antisemitism, proud anti-intellectualism, nativism, white >
> supremacist ideals, misogyny, sexism, homophobia, the diminishment of a >
> woman's right to choose, bullying, demagoguery, incitement of violence, >
> avarice, wanton tax evasion, totalitarianism, climate change denial and >
> creationism ARE ALL PERFECTLY OKAY. > > If you're an American who voted for
> him here on the Gathering, you have > nothing but my undying contempt, and
> may the god of your choice forgive you, > because I sure as FUCK will not.
> > > I have many friends who are striving to make sense of this and
> espousing > messages of solidarity, fortitude and hope. I realize that's
> the correct > thing to do, and that in attempting same, I may find solace
> and comfort in > the words and actions of the many like minds, but I AM NOT
> THERE YET. > NOWHERE CLOSE. > > Being a dyed-in-the-wool native New Yorker,
> I have never had a great amount > of faith in my fellow American, because I
> am inherently a smug fucking snob, > and I am PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT.
> But, again, DO NOT BE FOOLED!! Trump > doesn't give fuck about the concerns
> of the American heartland's working > families. They were exploited and
> manipulated by his slavish appeals to the > lowest common denominator. > >
> It's simply pathetic. I am sickened to the very core. > > FUCK YOU,
> America. > > -Alex in NYC- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christophe Barry >> Sent: Nov 9, 2016
> 11:57 AM >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump >> >> F*ckin’ ada >> >> De : Gathering <gathering-
> bounces at misera.net> on behalf of andreas misera >> via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net> >> Répondre à : andreas misera <
> andreasmisera at yahoo.de>, "A list about all >> things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" <gathering at misera.net> >> Date : mercredi 9 novembre 2016 09:58
> >> À : "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" >> <
> gathering at misera.net> >> Cc : andreas misera <andreasmisera at yahoo.de>, "
> jpwhkj at aol.com" >> <jpwhkj at aol.com> >> Objet : Re: [kj] Trump >> >>
> Germans could say "Ach Du Scheiße" about that result. >> >> >> Rob Moss <
> rob.moss at gmx.com> schrieb am 12:44 Mittwoch, 9.November 2016: >> >> >>
> That's an "English" way of putting it!! >> >> Other words considered could
> be >> >> Gosh >> Golly >> my Lord! >> Steady on old chap! >> >> >> >> What
> a day Gatherers. What a day. >> >> >> On 9 Nov 2016, at 09:19, jpwhkj---
> via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Blimey. >>> >>> >>>
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