[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 168, Issue 38

[kevin]

But Alex- Trump was elected after campaigning on what he was he has done over the past few days.

People voted for this. I still don`t see how wanting to control borders into a nation state is such a big

deal. Obama did just the same for twice the period of time (6 months) with Iraq right??

They ( Trump-obama-Hillary-bernie-etc ect)have to be compared at some point-otherwise its just  rejecting the possibility of making comparisons in order to eliminate an avenue of argument IMHO.

BTW I think Bernie could have possibly beaten Trump but no they had to have Hillary didn`t they- had to have their queen in there. Did you watch the Young Turks election night coverage-one minute they are sitting there all excited about her getting in and the next minute they are pissing their pants and fuming about how such a terrible candidte coud have been chosen.

I think its a case of the whole media gaslighting themselves. Their campaign against Trump ws so big that they ended up believing it themselves and ignoring what was actually going on on the ground.


I`ve been thinking about these words `infantile and nacissistic` and I can`t help but to keep thinking about Aleister Crowley. Can I be the fist to make the `counter culture` go absolutley batshit cazy by proclaining Trump an advent of the Aeon of Horus-The crowned and conquering child..


And Alex-I`m sorry your post has been blocked. I can totally get why you don`t like Trump and why you are upset at the moment but in my view a lot of this is just being whipped up by the media and associated shills ligned to Clinton/Obama/Soros/Brezinski cabal- it reminds me of these `riots` we had in the UK in 2011-that was just a local disturbance that could have been shut down in about half an hour (I was there- I cycled right through it ) but the media started broadcasting it live all over TV and then it went viral. I know a lot of people have got genuine issues with Trump but this kind of mass movement against him - which appears to be a kind of wierd chimera of a kind of politically correct Puritan movement and the Witch trials (visually resembling something from a Hieronymous Bosch painting)- just looks like a kind of insane mass hysteria from where I`m sittiing


""In his first ban, according to a search of White House records, Obama instituted a ban on "immigrants or nonimmigrants" covered by a larger United Nations travel ban. He also included those on an economic sanctions list. Most countries were Muslim.

He cited the very same section of law that many critics of his policies have asked him to use, "section 212(f) of the Immigration<http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/section/immigration> and Nationality Act of 1952." It says, "Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrant's or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

He used the same provision five other times, one more in 2011, twice in 2012 and twice in 2014. In those, he targeted people aiding Iran, Syria, Crimea, and those involved in war crimes.""


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Today's Topics:

   1. Response to Kevin's Trump support (Alexander Smith)


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Weirdly, my response was blocked and subject to moderator approval because the thread is too big, so here?s just my response to Kevin?s last answer (pasted below mine).

Again ? this isn?t about Obama, this isn?t about Hilary and this isn?t about Bernie. Stop comparing them and alluding to them. This is about Trump, and all that he represents, and everything he?s bringing on board.

I?m stunned that someone can look at Trump?s actions of the past few days and still entirely okay with it. But, ? maybe you don?t live here?

In any case, I did ask, and you did answer, so thanks for that. I should probably let it go right there.

Alex in NYC



Kevin?s answer:

Yeah, I can see why someone would see Trump as infantile because he often acts kind of like a cab driver but I like that about him. He is genuine and not reading off a teleprompter. I and virtually everyone I know can be infantile-its part of being human, I can`t knock someone for being a regular guy-that`s what I want to see. putin can be infantile sometimes but that guy is a fucking leader. As far as narcissism goes half the world is in a state of narcissism as far as I can tell. There is an enormous percentage of young people who just want to be `famous` with no other aim than that. Trump just strikes me as being one of those guys who likes to flaunt his wealth like a Frank Warren or a David Sullivan. Personally I have no problem with people like that-that lifestyle is not for me but if someone is into all that then thats their right to live how they want if they can achieve it. This guy employs thousands of people and makes a real difference to their lives- he has built shit for
 most of his life- what the fuck has Obama ever done apart from feather his own nest and slither up the political ladder with his globalist agenda driven backers like Zbigniew Brezinski. And Obama has to be the most narcissistic person I have ever seen
Mr `has anybody got a bottle of water` Obama.
This is another thing with trump- he is painted as this awful person- well I don`t see how someone so bad and secretly degenerate could raise 2 sons who can go on national TV and have respectful and erudite debates with professional talking heads and come out on top. Those kids of his are disciplined and  well raised-they are not my kind of person but they are clearly not the offspring of some arsehole narcissist as opposed to Paris Hilton or something.
They wheeled out that old hippy Richard Branson a while ago who was going on about a meeting he had with trump and how Trump was the most vindictive person he had ever met and how awful it would be to have such a vindictive person in the White house- since he got in he has not shown evidence of that accusation- in fact the two people that I thought he was going to go after, Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz have not been on the recieving end of anything from Trump as far as I know.
He had the whole of the GOP against him and trying to stop him and he has just brushed that off and got on with it like a businessman.
And yes jim you are right-they did attack Clinton but thats just the campaign, thats politics, the point i was making is that every media outlet worldwide-even the traditional Republican party -didn`t want him to win-You go and watch the second debate he had with Clinton- AnerCIAon Cooperhas clearly got an agenda to bring down Trump-its written all over his face- he is looking at Trump like he is going for him but at the same time he is petrified of him. In my univers that debate would be made into a film. That was one of the most incredible things Ive ever seen.
Any yeah Alex-his first week has been strange to say the least-just imagine- a candidate getting in and then proceeding to do what he said he was going to do in his campaign.

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