[kj] Ha

[Jim Harper]

There are a few tracks that surfaced on bootlegs but never saw an actual release, aren't there? 'The Hive' springs to mind, but I'm sure there's others.


On Wed, 25/10/17, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha
 To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
 Date: Wednesday, 25 October, 2017, 19:40
 
 I wasn't suggesting that was
 the only time they ever played it, but it
 seems odd that they never did a studio version.
 It's possible I'm
 being too cynical,
 though - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
 Now that's a proper set
 list! What a tragedy there was a technical
 problem, it was obviously a blistering
 performance.
 
 Jamie: were
 you pronouncing it to rhyme with "car" - all posh
 like?!
 If so I think maybe you deserved
 their contempt!
 
 On
 10/25/17, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:
 > That is a very cynical viewpoint
 of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take Take Take"
 > was
 > part of their
 repertoire circa 1982, a quick look on setlist.fm
 confirms
 > that.
 >
 > The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in
 the US and Canada then back to
 > the
 UK
 > shows them including a few songs
 from 'Fire Dances' recorded in
 >
 February-March
 > 1983.
 >
 > I can assume that
 with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in the
 > process
 > of writing
 and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take
 Take Take"
 > is
 >
 one that hit the cutting room floor.  Seeing that
 "Ha" was rushed out in
 >
 November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if
 anything is
 > cynical
 > it is E'G cashing in on what few
 tracks they had.
 >
 > I
 have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but
 amended chord
 > progression and tempo
 between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and
 "Take
 > Take
 >
 Take".
 >
 > Maybe
 "Take Take Take" was considered alongside
 "Sun Goes Down" as a B Side
 >
 for
 > "Birds Of A Feather", who
 knows, although a studio version does not look
 > likely,
 > I am sure
 with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
 >
 > This is a setlist
 from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on 27th
 > October 1982 in Manchester.
 >
 > 1. The Hum
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Hum
 > 2. The Fall of Because
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Fall+of+Because
 > 3. Pssyche
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Pssyche
 > 4. Sun Goes Down
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Sun+Goes+Down
 > 5. The Pandys Are Coming
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Pandys+Are+Coming
 > 6. We Have Joy
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=We+Have+Joy
 > 7. The Gathering
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Gathering
 > 8. Take Take Take
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Take+Take+Take
 > 9. Empire Song
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Empire+Song
 > 10. Change
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Change
 > 11. Chop-Chop
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Chop-Chop
 > 12. Lust Almighty
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Lust+Almighty
 > 13. Tension
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Tension
 > 14. Bloodsport
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Bloodsport
 > 15. Wardance
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Wardance
 > 16. Birds of a Feather
 > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Birds+of+a+Feather
 >
 >
 >
 >>
 >>     On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul
 Rangecroft
 >> <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >>     There
 are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the same
 gig
 >>     (actually two nights?)
 including Birds of a Feather, I think. Yes,
 >>     apparently the recording machine
 broke because someone (Conny Plank?)
 >>     used tape that was too heavy.
 There answer is in The Gathering
 >> 
    archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts
 out to Geordie
 >>     and he
 commented on this.
 >>
 >>     I always assumed Take Take Take
 was deliberately left off everything
 >>     else simply to increase sales of
 Ha!. KJ were never above such
 >>    
 tactics, particularly in the E'G years.
 >>
 >>     On
 10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >>     > Ah I see, thanks.
 Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's weirdest
 >> riffs,
 >>    
 > always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
 >>     > Never too late, eh...
 >>     >
 >> 
    > On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
 wrote:
 >>     >
 >>     >> I think more was
 recorded but the story I recall is that there was
 >> a
 >>    
 >> malfunction so this was all they could use.
 Certainly nothing in
 >> the
 >>     >> vaults
 >>     >> when I had access to
 them.
 >>     >>
 >>     >> TTT. No idea! Not
 really the greatest of songs so maybe they
 >> didn’t
 >>   
  >> bother
 >>     >>
 with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
 >>     >>
 >>     >> > On 23 Oct 2017, at
 13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >>     >> >
 >>     >> > I'm sure these
 questions have been covered before but what with
 >>     >> > the failing memory
 these days, I'll bring them up again.
 >>     >> > Anyone know
 whether there were more songs recorded at the Ha
 >> gig,
 >>    
 >> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there
 were more songs, why
 >> have
 >>     >> > we not heard
 them?
 >>     >> >
 >>     >> > and
 >>     >> >
 >>     >> > Take Take Take -
 what is the story behind this song? Why was it
 >> never
 >>    
 >> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played
 any other time
 >> apart
 >>     >> > from
 >>     >> > on this tour? Has
 Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken about
 >> this
 >>    
 >> song?
 >>     >>
 >
 >>     >> > These
 things still bug me, 35 years on.
 >> 
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