[kj] Ha

Nick Scott npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
Wed Oct 25 15:55:11 EDT 2017 

The Hive, Feast Of Fools, Timewave, Four Stations Of The Sun, Hallucinations Of
A Cynic, Futureshock, Silent Rage all spring to mind.   A few surfaced on the
singles collection extra CD as rough cut studio demos.

> On 25 October 2017 at 19:54 Jim Harper via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> There are a few tracks that surfaced on bootlegs but never saw an actual
> release, aren't there? 'The Hive' springs to mind, but I'm sure there's
> others.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 25/10/17, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [kj] Ha
>  To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>  Date: Wednesday, 25 October, 2017, 19:40
>  
>  I wasn't suggesting that was
>  the only time they ever played it, but it
>  seems odd that they never did a studio version.
>  It's possible I'm
>  being too cynical,
>  though - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
>  
>  Now that's a proper set
>  list! What a tragedy there was a technical
>  problem, it was obviously a blistering
>  performance.
>  
>  Jamie: were
>  you pronouncing it to rhyme with "car" - all posh
>  like?!
>  If so I think maybe you deserved
>  their contempt!
>  
>  On
>  10/25/17, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>  wrote:
>  > That is a very cynical viewpoint
>  of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take Take Take"
>  > was
>  > part of their
>  repertoire circa 1982, a quick look on setlist.fm
>  confirms
>  > that.
>  >
>  > The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in
>  the US and Canada then back to
>  > the
>  UK
>  > shows them including a few songs
>  from 'Fire Dances' recorded in
>  >
>  February-March
>  > 1983.
>  >
>  > I can assume that
>  with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in the
>  > process
>  > of writing
>  and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take
>  Take Take"
>  > is
>  >
>  one that hit the cutting room floor.  Seeing that
>  "Ha" was rushed out in
>  >
>  November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if
>  anything is
>  > cynical
>  > it is E'G cashing in on what few
>  tracks they had.
>  >
>  > I
>  have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but
>  amended chord
>  > progression and tempo
>  between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and
>  "Take
>  > Take
>  >
>  Take".
>  >
>  > Maybe
>  "Take Take Take" was considered alongside
>  "Sun Goes Down" as a B Side
>  >
>  for
>  > "Birds Of A Feather", who
>  knows, although a studio version does not look
>  > likely,
>  > I am sure
>  with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
>  >
>  > This is a setlist
>  from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on 27th
>  > October 1982 in Manchester.
>  >
>  > 1. The Hum
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Hum
>  > 2. The Fall of Because
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Fall+of+Because
>  > 3. Pssyche
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Pssyche
>  > 4. Sun Goes Down
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Sun+Goes+Down
>  > 5. The Pandys Are Coming
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Pandys+Are+Coming
>  > 6. We Have Joy
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=We+Have+Joy
>  > 7. The Gathering
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Gathering
>  > 8. Take Take Take
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Take+Take+Take
>  > 9. Empire Song
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Empire+Song
>  > 10. Change
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Change
>  > 11. Chop-Chop
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Chop-Chop
>  > 12. Lust Almighty
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Lust+Almighty
>  > 13. Tension
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Tension
>  > 14. Bloodsport
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Bloodsport
>  > 15. Wardance
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Wardance
>  > 16. Birds of a Feather
>  > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Birds+of+a+Feather
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >>
>  >>     On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul
>  Rangecroft
>  >> <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     There
>  are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the same
>  gig
>  >>     (actually two nights?)
>  including Birds of a Feather, I think. Yes,
>  >>     apparently the recording machine
>  broke because someone (Conny Plank?)
>  >>     used tape that was too heavy.
>  There answer is in The Gathering
>  >> 
>     archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts
>  out to Geordie
>  >>     and he
>  commented on this.
>  >>
>  >>     I always assumed Take Take Take
>  was deliberately left off everything
>  >>     else simply to increase sales of
>  Ha!. KJ were never above such
>  >>    
>  tactics, particularly in the E'G years.
>  >>
>  >>     On
>  10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>     > Ah I see, thanks.
>  Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's weirdest
>  >> riffs,
>  >>    
>  > always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
>  >>     > Never too late, eh...
>  >>     >
>  >> 
>     > On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>     >
>  >>     >> I think more was
>  recorded but the story I recall is that there was
>  >> a
>  >>    
>  >> malfunction so this was all they could use.
>  Certainly nothing in
>  >> the
>  >>     >> vaults
>  >>     >> when I had access to
>  them.
>  >>     >>
>  >>     >> TTT. No idea! Not
>  really the greatest of songs so maybe they
>  >> didn’t
>  >>   
>   >> bother
>  >>     >>
>  with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
>  >>     >>
>  >>     >> > On 23 Oct 2017, at
>  13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >>     >> >
>  >>     >> > I'm sure these
>  questions have been covered before but what with
>  >>     >> > the failing memory
>  these days, I'll bring them up again.
>  >>     >> > Anyone know
>  whether there were more songs recorded at the Ha
>  >> gig,
>  >>    
>  >> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there
>  were more songs, why
>  >> have
>  >>     >> > we not heard
>  them?
>  >>     >> >
>  >>     >> > and
>  >>     >> >
>  >>     >> > Take Take Take -
>  what is the story behind this song? Why was it
>  >> never
>  >>    
>  >> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played
>  any other time
>  >> apart
>  >>     >> > from
>  >>     >> > on this tour? Has
>  Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken about
>  >> this
>  >>    
>  >> song?
>  >>     >>
>  >
>  >>     >> > These
>  things still bug me, 35 years on.
>  >> 
>     >> >
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