[kj] Trump

[Joe Cosenza]

I never said I was a Trump supporter
Look, I'm an Anarchist, I'm Latino, I'm also an immigrant (from Honduras originally)
By those measures I'm probably overly qualified to be a Trump hater.
But, I acknowledge there are many things going on behind the scenes that only a few are privy to. We are only seeing what one hand is doing and that itself might even be a distraction, ie: I have reason to believe Trump is working with Russia and China to eliminate the central banks and reset the currency/announce a gold backed currency, only time will tell if I'm correct.
When the Bush family as well as the Obama's, Clinton's, and the George Soros' are all anti-Trump that tells me everything I need to know.

I didn't vote for Trump. I don't like a lot of things but I have to give credit to where credit is due. Trump had 2 SC justices appointed and just last week SCOTUS voted unanimously that state and local governments are not exempt from the 8th amendment's excessive fine clause which effectively puts a nail in the coffin of the civil asset forfeitures running rampant particularly in Texas and Louisiana.

Kim Jong Un and Trump are meeting for the 2nd time right now. The DPRK is denuclearizing. Denuclearizing! They also cancelled their annual anti-America parade. To the best of my knowledge no sitting American president has ever met with a North Korean leader before. A peace agreement would be great news not just for North and South Korea and eastern Asia but for the world.

Have you noticed how the EXTREME drought in California from about 2010 - early 2017 ended? Again, I did NOT vote for Trump but I need to point out that it was like a switch was flipped almost immediately after he was elected (before his inauguration) that it started raining again. Flooding actually. So much so that the Oroville Dam was in danger of collapse. For a lot of people not living in the U.S. who might be reading this it is important to note that a lot of our nation's food supply comes from the southwestern portion of the country particularly California. Had the drought not ended in 2017 it would have had a major effect on food supply. Just the other day it snowed in Malibu and West Hollywood! It also snowed in Scottsdale, Arizona and Las Vegas, Nevada. Flagstaff, AZ had record breaking snowfall. This is important because the runoff from the snow melt replenishes the aquifers and reservoirs like Lake Mead for example. Fans of Killing Joke I'm sure are open to the idea that the ability to modify the weather (via the use of chemtrails, satellites, etc.) exists. Those who control the weather can control the food supply, those who control the food supply can control the population.

Does/did Trump have some assholes in his admin influencing him like warhawk and deep stater John Bolton? Yeah, I can't argue there. Just don't jump to conclusions yet, let's just give it more time and see how things play out.


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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:24 AM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Cc: jpwhkj at aol.com
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

Joe, how can you be a Trump supporter and a Killing Joke fan simultaneously?

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On Feb 24, 2019, at 7:54 AM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net<mailto:gathering at misera.net>> wrote:

Joe - is Alex wrong?  Why?


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Cosenza <d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com<mailto:d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com>>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net<mailto:gathering at misera.net>>
Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 22:04
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

You see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear and read what you want to read. Keep washing down all that soy with the fluoridated kool-aid. I look forward to reading your comments in January 2025.

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>> on behalf of Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 4:43 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Cc: jpwhkj at aol.com<mailto:jpwhkj at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

Doesn’t matter. They will be laughably mistaken. I’ve been proven correct on this front on almost a daily basis.

Alex in NYC

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On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:59 AM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

The Gathering is a much duller place now that we don't have screaming rows about stuff.

So, can anyone here tell Alex why he was (and is) fundamentally wrong about Trump?  Just a few examples would do.




-----Original Message-----
From: The Stranger via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
CC: letranger789 <letranger789 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 6:17
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

What do you win?


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On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 2:51 PM, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

I wasn't wrong.

xo,
-Alex in NYC


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Smith
Sent: Nov 9, 2016 4:31 PM
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

I realize there are some sharp differences of opinion here on the Gathering, but as someone who fucking LIVES here, let me just say that I am incalculably ashamed to be an American today.

Regardless of your stance on policy -- not that Trump ever actually discussed any tangible policies -- how anyone could spend five minutes listening to that fatuous bag of excitement attempt to string coherent sentence together and think: "yes, that man should hold the most powerful office in the so-called Free World" is FUCKING STAGGERINGLY BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION.

If you think he's a champion for the unsung ---> You are FUCKING FOOLING yourselves. He DOES NOT CARE about you, and that will doubtlessly become obvious in short, catastrophic order.



If you think he's going to "shake things up" in Washington -----> You are a fucking idiot. Putting Trump in the White House is like putting a lit firecracker in a broken toaster. Is it going to shake things up? You betcha. Is it going to fix anything? NOPE.

The message we are sending to the world and to OUR OWN CHILDREN is that racism, antisemitism, proud anti-intellectualism, nativism, white supremacist ideals, misogyny, sexism, homophobia, the diminishment of a woman's right to choose, bullying, demagoguery, incitement of violence, avarice, wanton tax evasion, totalitarianism, climate change denial and creationism ARE ALL PERFECTLY OKAY.

If you're an American who voted for him here on the Gathering, you have nothing but my undying contempt, and may the god of your choice forgive you, because I sure as FUCK will not.

I have many friends who are striving to make sense of this and espousing messages of solidarity, fortitude and hope. I realize that's the correct thing to do, and that in attempting same, I may find solace and comfort in the words and actions of the many like minds, but I AM NOT THERE YET. NOWHERE CLOSE.

Being a dyed-in-the-wool native New Yorker, I have never had a great amount of faith in my fellow American, because I am inherently a smug fucking snob, and I am PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT. But, again, DO NOT BE FOOLED!! Trump doesn't give fuck about the concerns of the American heartland's working families. They were exploited and manipulated by his slavish appeals to the lowest common denominator.

It's simply pathetic. I am sickened to the very core.

FUCK YOU, America.

-Alex in NYC-


















-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe Barry
Sent: Nov 9, 2016 11:57 AM
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

F*ckin’ ada

De : Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of andreas misera via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Répondre à : andreas misera <andreasmisera at yahoo.de>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date : mercredi 9 novembre 2016 09:58
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Cc : andreas misera <andreasmisera at yahoo.de>, "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>
Objet : Re: [kj] Trump

Germans could say "Ach Du Scheiße" about that result.


Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> schrieb am 12:44 Mittwoch, 9.November 2016:


That's an "English" way of putting it!!

Other words considered could be

Gosh
Golly
my Lord!
Steady on old chap!



What a day Gatherers. What a day.


On 9 Nov 2016, at 09:19, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

Blimey.


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