[kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light truthpaper interviews Jaz (Jim Harper)

Sat Apr 10 01:48:26 EDT 2021

Hmmm.   I agree with everyone here.  And not justifying Jaz.  But there
certainly seems to be in my perception a lot of presumption and
misinterpretation in this conversation.    I don't agree with all he says
nor even have the historical knowledge/education to verify Jaz's rant;
there's giant foxes in cahoots in the hen house.  Then again, frankly,
there's much that I agree, like as I agree with Manufacturing Consent by
disadent like Noam Chomsky.   Of course Jaz is completely different.   The
other aspect of this interview I think misinterpreted is "Mask".  I don't
read that diction used by him as a physical mask, but metaphorical as I am
not hiding anything.  I am who I am.  Just because the next sentence talks
about the pandemic doesn't allude towards being an anti masker, vax'er, or
anything of the sort?    And not to justify Jaz, at all,  but just knowing
and reading and listening to Killing Joke for decades and decades,  I would
put top coin on that he has "No Idea" who The Light Paper is or what they
represent?   AND he probably doesn't care, either other than an opportunity
to be on a soapbox? To just stick a thumb in the eye of anyone,  to be an
instigator and an agitator as well as strike debate.   That's pretty much
the Killing Joke I know and I don't read anything else into the rant,
which, in my perception,  is somewhat done by a few here.  And I dig you
all.   And respect and believe we're all fairly above average intelligent
people here.

Anyways.  I see nothing related about being anti vax, covid is a hoax, mask
efficiency, or pandemic, virus doesn't exist, etc related except that Jaz
basically says its been good fodder for a control system, which it
certainly has been, no matter the argument, for (you pick your industry or
corporation).   I read this months ago, not sure how I came across it?  I
thought, hmmm... really classic Jaz...but a awesome notch up.  What a wild,
very smart, intriguing, sensational, hilarious, and outspoken post punk
individual.  Gotta love this guy's spirit.  I don't agree...do agree, kinda
agree, not at all, and a big IDK?  But love it!   Because I too, if given
the opportunity, would surely speak to any audience, in his position,  give
my morale compass of the world, if given the opportunity,  and that they
really don't get to ask questions.  What's THIS for...!

 I mean...come on?  IT'S KILLING JOKE!

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021, 7:07 AM <gathering-request at misera.net> wrote:

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> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:29:43 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>         <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The
>         Light truthpaper interviews Jaz
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>  My apologies- I meant the Japanese would disagree with the idea that
> masks don't help to restrict disease. Currently here (Japan, that is), we
> have a much lower rate of COVID infection than most First World countries,
> and I would say roughly 99% of the population wear masks whenever they're
> in public. I do too, not least because there is something of a stigma
> attached to NOT wearing a mask when you're out and about. The Japanese have
> always been quick to wear masks when they have a cold or it's hay fever
> season, but it's even more prevalent now.
>
> Jim.
>      On Thursday, 8 April 2021, 21:51:22 GMT+9, Alex Smith <
> vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>  #yiv8003174193 #yiv8003174193 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8003174193
> Not sure which point is being differed with here. Lesley Lee doubts the
> efficacy of masks. Jim Harper says the Japanese wouldn't agree -- but with
> which? The efficacy of masks or Lesley Lee's refutation of same??
> Make are not a cure. Hell, VACCINES are not a cure. They merely boost your
> body's immune system. But there have been numerous studies to suggest that
> masks definitively help in stemming the spread. If you want to beg to
> differ with science, however, you go right ahead. ?You know best, of course.
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul
> Sent: Apr 8, 2021 8:16 AM
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light
> truthpaper interviews Jaz
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> I think most people would disagree, but then that seems to be the point at
> this stage. Back to square one. Looking like a two tier society?on the
> horizon, vaccinated and non vaccinated. As if things were not bad enough : (
>
> Normally I'd be a little more optimistic, but it's hard to see any silver
> linings these days. Anyway, sorry, just feeling a bit down, off work with
> an injured cuff rotator, so feeling useless. It'll pass : )
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 12:57, Jim Harper via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net> wrote:
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>  I think most people in Japan would disagree.     On Thursday, 8 April
> 2021, 20:54:16 GMT+9, Lesley Lee <lesleyslee at live.co.uk> wrote:
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>  "...the wearing of masks has been demonstrably effective in curtailing
> the contagion"
>
> No. It hasn't.
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> From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alex Smith <
> vassifer at earthlink.net>
> Sent: 03 April 2021 18:35
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>;
> A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light
> truthpaper interviews Jaz?
> I mean, on the one hand, it really is "classic" Jaz Coleman. There has
> truly never been a point wherein he HASN'T be preoccupied with
> conspiracies. From "Are You Receiving?" through PYLON (and, I guess, "The
> Day The Earth Went Mad," not that I bought that), Jaz's worldview has been
> singularly defined by an inherent skepticism about (and a contrarianism
> towards) the party line, so to speak. It's what he is. It's what he does.
> It's nothing new. But, I have to say, in this instance, it gives me pause.
> He's certainly said some outrageously indefensible things in the past ("I
> want to be a suicide bomber," etc.), but the puffy-chested espousal of not
> wearing masks in this instance just strikes me as a bridge too far. Okay,
> for the sake of argument, let's go along with Jaz's assertion that the
> pandemic (notice I did not put that word in quotation marks?) was a
> weaponized, orchestrated initiative --- even if that *was* indeed the case,
> the wearing of masks has been demonstrably effective in
>  curtailing the contagion. So, whether it was caused by a sinister cabal
> or it was indeed some kind of accident or natural occurrence is immaterial.
> By not wearing a mask and endorsing same, he is being willfully
> irresponsible and ostensibly putting his fellow human being at risk by his
> lack of consideration. This is all my interpretation and opinion, so ...
> y'know ... make of it what you will, but I find this particular stance
> pretty indefensible (not too unlike Lydon backing Trump). My two cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Were Wolf
> Sent: Apr 3, 2021 12:07 PM
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light
> truthpaper interviews Jaz
>
> It does sound ominous when he says:
> "I am the archetypal fool; I will talk about the things people don't want
> to talk about. I will continue to do so, until they shut me up. When that
> is? Couldn't give a fuck!"
> I feel the guy has a right to free speech and free expression as we all
> should as individuals with our own personal opinions and beliefs, while not
> agreeing 100% with everything he says.
> There has in fact been a backlash over the past few weeks from the BBC,
> Tories and Lib Dems to that particular issue being pushed through people's
> letterboxes.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56420379
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> |  | Covid-19 leaflets: How pandemic disinformation went offlineIf you
> thought misleading coronavirus information was just circulating online -
> think again.www.bbc.co.uk |
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> https://www.libdemvoice.org/the-word-truth-is-being-hijacked-by-fake-news-conspiracy-theorists-who-claim-their-dark-ideas-are-light-67040.html
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> |  | The word ?truth? is being hijacked by fake news conspiracy theorists
> who claim their dark ideas are light - Liberal Democrat VoiceThere have
> been too many victims of Covid-19. People for whom coronavirus was the
> primary cause of death. Many others whose death was accelerated or whose
> recovery from other diseases was ...www.libdemvoice.org |
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> http://www.wellington-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=119727&headline=Anti-vaccine
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> |  | Anti-vaccine paper ?pedals conspiracy theory madness?DISTRIBUTION of
> anti-Covid vaccination newspaper The Light to homes in Wellington and
> surrounding areas was this week condemned in the strongest terms by
> Somerset county councillor John Thorne.www.wellington-today.co.uk |
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> The Guardian was a bit more balanced and actually interviewed the guy who
> produces the paper.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/truthpaper-the-anti-lockdown-newspaper-bypassing-online-fact-checkers
>
> |  | How an anti-lockdown 'truthpaper' bypasses online factcheckers |
> Newspapers & magazines - the GuardianW hen the factcheckers tried to find
> the source of a viral photo that was spreading across Facebook, they were
> confused. The picture ? which had been uploaded by users in the UK, US,
> Australia ...www.theguardian.com |
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> From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Stephen
> Robinson via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: 02 April 2021 09:15
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> Subject: Re: [kj] Governments Should Stop Being A Killing Joke - The Light
> truthpaper interviews Jaz?
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> ?kin? Hell?
> I can honestly hope the '#cancelled mob'? don?t hear about this.
> In the past this would have been ignored as the raving of an idio,err
> eccentric artist, but now, it?s career ending.?
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> Couldn?t agree more!
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> Bill Nye's mask vs candle thing illustrates perfectly why wearing a mask
> is better than not wearing one.
> It?s hardly rocket science. I have a cough and wear a mask it helps
> contains it. If you are wearing a mask too, it further helps prevent it
> from leaving my mouth and going up your nose.
>
> Above all it?s a courtesy to your fellow man (Like Jim said re Japan with
> colds/hay fever etc) . By not showing anyone else that simple courtesy
> really shows what little regard that person has for others.
>
> Jaz ?proud not to wear a mask? (which at best is moronic) flip to Killing
> Joke official selling overpriced merch-masks. Oh, the irony.
> I know the people and the ?business? are different entities, but still.
> money is not our god? Yeah, OK.
>
> That the pandemic is manufactured/government conspiracy - seriously, to
> what end?
> That vaccines are a way to tag and track us?
> We *voluntarily* give up more information about ourselves every time we
> send an email, use a search engine, log into a social media account, or
> simply put your phone in your pocket and drive or walk somewhere.
> There has never been so much information amassed about pretty much each
> and everyone one of us
>
> speaking of phones, Southern Jamie mentioned the no cell phone thing, then
> you get ?I still have all Ravens SMS messages?
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> I find the hypocrisy and the stick waving tiresome.
> To coin a phrase from an elderly neighbour of mine, it?s 'all shirt and no
> trousers? and verging on self-parody
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> > On 8 Apr 2021, at 14:17, wessidetempest . <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Wearing a mask is no different then wearing a seatbelt, helmet, condom,
> etc. is it 100% effective?  Absolutely not but nothing is other then actual
> death.
> > If you?re not going to wear a mask out of simple courtesy then you may
> not (or should not by this logic) cover your mouth when you cough, sneeze,
> burp, etc. And you?re a pig at that point and pigs may be smart but not
> smart enough to not be eaten by predators.
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